NFL would consider ban on 3-point stance

[Hoofbite]

Just another reason to hate Goddell. I wish he would quit. He is the worst thing to happen to the NFL.

Goodell + Democracy = Demise!

 

[RainMan]

I'm pretty sure Goodell used to watch Arena League games and think to himself, "That's what we can become."

 

[BaybeeJay]

Wish we had a commissioner who knew what we want. More Roman Coliseum and less ballet recital. I can't wait for the first on-field death!

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

goodell sux. hes way the nfl rsting were way down thus year.
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[Ren]

Why don't you just slap the flags on them already and save us the torture of watching you slowly kill the game we love :bang2:

 

[dbair1967]

Do lineman typically get many concussions from hitting someone out of a 3 point stance?

I doubt it. My guess is that most concussions come after being hit with momentum, and that this is going a bit overboard.

That was my first thought upon hearing the latest stupid idea Goodell had too.

 

[dbair1967]

Then Landry's Flex Defense frog stances will come back into style.

Seriously, this has to be a joke.

Well its another Goodell idea, so its par for the course.

 

[AbeBeta]

Do lineman typically get many concussions from hitting someone out of a 3 point stance?

I doubt it. My guess is that most concussions come after being hit with momentum, and that this is going a bit overboard.

Actually the most recent evidence suggests that the concussions result from an accumulation of hits, both big and small -- with linemen pretty much taking a smaller hit over and over as they engage the guy on the other side. You are focusing on the big hits. The science on this suggests the little ones are really important. Big hits are somewhat unpredictable, so it is harder to have rules addressing them. The league knows when the small hits occur so they can address that.

 

[theogt]

Actually the most recent evidence suggests that the concussions result from an accumulation of hits, both big and small -- with linemen pretty much taking a smaller hit over and over as they engage the guy on the other side. You are focusing on the big hits. The science on this suggests the little ones are really important. Big hits are somewhat unpredictable, so it is harder to have rules addressing them. The league knows when the small hits occur so they can address that.

The "big hits" are unpredictable in their timing, but that's about it. They do know with certainty that they will happen in every game. And they can prevent them.

Simply knowing when something will happen is obviously not a logical dividing line.

I'll just take your word that lineman using 3 point stances is a cause of concussions, but I haven't seen anything to back that up which is why I asked.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Jesus,

Maybe this lockout thing in a couple of years won't be a bad thing?

Wish they could lock out this JOKE of a GM.

Did he ever even play the game?

 

[AbeBeta]

The "big hits" are unpredictable in their timing, but that's about it. They do know with certainty that they will happen in every game. And they can prevent them.

Simply knowing when something will happen is obviously not a logical dividing line.

I'll just take your word that lineman using 3 point stances is a cause of concussions, but I haven't seen anything to back that up which is why I asked.

Simply knowing when something is going to happen is a HUGE dividing line in terms of how you can prevent something. Of course, the league has already worked on some rules regarding big hits, but enforcement is problematic in some cases (e.g., helmet to helmet).

Malcolm Gladwell had a piece in the New Yorker on concussions-- it wasn't particularly deep but a good source for more information. Surprised you missed that one.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Unfortunately, the NFL Commissioner has good intentions, he's just an idiot. It's FOOTBALL!!!!! You cannot eliminate injuries, whether they be concussions or otherwise. Damn, I miss Roselle.

No, he doesn't have good intentions. The SpyGate scandal which he helped cover up shows that he doesn't have good intentions.

I get the eery feeling in 10 years we may look back at Goodell being the worst commissioner in professional sport history, which is saying something. I wish I was exagerrating on that, but I don't think I am.

Yes, the owners get to vote on it, but they usually go along with the commish since he's usually their main representative while the players have the NFLPA working for them. I just get the feeling in 10 years we'll see a league that will basically become to look like Arena Football and they'll have an inordinate amount of games held over in Europe and Mexico.

And we could see a lockout soon.


YIPPEEE!






YAKUZA

 

[theogt]

Simply knowing when something is going to happen is a HUGE dividing line in terms of how you can prevent something. Of course, the league has already worked on some rules regarding big hits, but enforcement is problematic in some cases (e.g., helmet to helmet).

I disagree. I think, by itself, it's not a good dividing line. The difference comes only where not knowing affects whether or not it is possible (or cost effective) to eliminate the event. Here you clearly can eliminate the event, even without knowing its exact timing.

Malcolm Gladwell had a piece in the New Yorker on concussions-- it wasn't particularly deep but a good source for more information. Surprised you missed that one.

Not surprised. My "outside" reading is minimal lately. Long hours.

 

[xWraithx]

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

:laugh2: that's awesome... I was thinking the same thing, and have asked the same question before when given a similar response

 

[tomson75]

This is beyond stupid.

I've followed the Cowboys for 30+ years now, but if Goodell manages to pass this sort of rule I may have to reconsider my investment into this sport. This is infuriating.

 

[mbanx]

He should watch hockey for awhile, more speed harder surfaces. I don't hear them *****ing or their commissioner.

 

[AbeBeta]

I disagree. I think, by itself, it's not a good dividing line. The difference comes only where not knowing affects whether or not it is possible (or cost effective) to eliminate the event. Here you clearly can eliminate the event, even without knowing its exact timing.

Not surprised. My "outside" reading is minimal lately. Long hours.

I disagree that you can "eliminate" the hard, jarring hits. You can eliminate helmet to helmet (or at least penalize it) but as we've seen that is hard to enforce 100%. Similarly, many legal hits cause concussions.

That aside, the "cost effective" issue is an interesting one. If you think about cost to the league, concussions present a major threat. The scientific knowledge is such that it is becoming clear that many things normal to football (e.g. the "small" hits experienced as linemen lock up) are contributing factor to brain injuries that can have serious long term consequences for players. The league/NFLPA presently have a plan to provide for players who suffer from these injuries (the 88 plan Dementia Benefits) - as the link between concussion and dementia grow, they will likely be paying out far more through this plan and probably will have to expand the current benefits. So obviously there are substantial cost issues here.

Taken at another angle, the league is now very involved with the scientific evidence on brain injury. An argument could be made that if the league does not do everything in its power to eliminate actions that are causing concussion that they may end up liable for major damages. I expect Goody loses sleep over that sort of thing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I know how to eliminate hard hits: Don't play the game. No one forces these players to play. If it's that bad, do something else for a living.

There's this thing called personal responsibility, but of course America is becoming less and less about that.

 

[superpunk]

He should watch hockey for awhile, more speed harder surfaces. I don't hear them *****ing or their commissioner.

Even if they tried, noone would be able to understand them in light of their broken English and lack of front teeth.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Robespierre strikes again.