Nice stat on #1 QB's and 10 reasons to get one.

I'm not a big fan of drafting QB's early in the first round because of the money they request, but the idea of drafting one with a late 1st round pick (20 or later) either based on a good final record or trading back is looking better and better by the day, especially in this draft class. I don't like the idea of drafting a guy and throwing him into the fire, so we might as well capitalize on the fact that we have Bledsoe who can mentor the kid for 2 years and also keep the team competitive.

For the Henson/Romo supporters, obviously one of them will be kept, more likely Henson with his long contract and if he does end up panning out then we have a problem. A problem I'd like to have.

Ideally, being an ND fan, I'd love to see Brady Quinn, but I doubt he leaves after this year. ND isn't really losing too many key players and the defense will improve as they're all basically first year starters right now. They have realistic BCS bowl expectations next year, and I'm sure he realizes another year under Charlie Weis can only help him.

Omar Jacobs has been shaky this year outside the first half of the opener against Wisconsin where he looked like his 2004 form, but I still like him. Even so, he's leading the nation in TD passes and has his offense at #2 in the nation. He's very similar to Daunte Culpepper in the size/speed mixture though a little smaller, and is just a playmaker, in my opinion.

Who knows who will be avialable when we pick thoough, so much changes after combines, senior bowl, etc. I really don't want to trade up for a top 5 pick (or be so bad that we get a top 5 pick and take a QB). The chances of a successful QB are up, but you really sacrifice your future with the contract.
 
dbair1967 said:
there's alot more drawbacks to Marcus Vick other than just being 5'11

this guy has zero chance at being a starting NFL QB

David
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Zero chance is being unrealistic. Is he going to light it up right away? No, but he is a far better passing propect than his brother, who oh by the way, was the #1 pick in the draft. He is also faster if you can believe that. It would be plain ignorance to say he has "Zero chance" :rolleyes: to start in the NFL. I can name 5 teams that would take him now.
 
We could have drafted Cb's sometime other than that one pick. and we wouldnt have to worry about qb for like 10 years.


blindzebra said:
If we had Leftwich, we would not have Newman.

We would have been in a desperate need for a CB and would have needed to draft one or overpay for the likes of Winfield in 2004, probably both.

The need would have lessened the chance of us trading down with the Bills, would Jones have been there at our pick?

No trade means no Spears.

The cap impact of a 1st rd QB, means less money for the FA we signed this year, meaning one probably goes unsigned.

Having Leftwich could mean no Newman, Jones, Spears and one of Henry, Rivera or Ferguson.

Better off?

I don't think so.;)
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I make no bones about being a QB elitest. You want to accuse me of it? I plead guilty.

Consider this list I have submitted before. This is the Super Bowl winning and losing QBs and where they were drafted.

SB I
Bart Starr...17th round
Len Dawson...1st round (5th overall)

SB II
Bart Starr...17th round
Daryle Lamonica...12th round

SB III
Joe Namath...1st round (Overall #1)
Johnny Unitas...9th round

SB IV
Len Dawson...1st round (5th overall)
Joe Kapp...18th round

SB V
Earl Morrall...1st round (2nd overall)
Roger Staubach...10th round

SB VI
Roger Staubach...10th round
Bob Griese...1st round (4th overall)

SB VII
Bob Griese...1st round (4th overall)
Billy Kilmer...1st round (11th overall)

SB VIII
Bob Griese...1st round (4th overall)
Fran Tarkenton...3rd round

SB IX
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Fran Tarkenton...3rd round

SB X
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Roger Staubach...10th round

SB XI
Ken Stabler...2nd round
Fran Tarkenton...3rd round

SB XII
Roger Staubach...10th round
Craig Morton...1st round (5th overall)

SB XIII
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Roger Staubach...10th round

SB XIV
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Vince Ferragamo...4th round

SB XV
Jim Plunkett...1st round (Overall #1)
Ron Jaworski...2nd round

SB XVI
Joe Montana...3rd round
Ken Anderson...3rd round

SB XVII
Joe Theisman...4th round
David Woodley...8th round

SB XVIII
Jim Plunkett...1st round (Overall #1)
Joe Theisman...4th round

SB XIX
Joe Montana...3rd round
Dan Marino...1st round (27th overall)

SB XX
Jim McMahon...1st round (5th overall)
Steve Grogan...5th round

SB XXI
Phil Simms...1st round (7th overall)
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXII
Doug Williams...1st round (17th overall)
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXIII
Joe Montana...3rd round
Norman Esiason...2nd round

SB XXIV
Joe Montana...3rd round
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXV
Jeff Hostetler...3rd round
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXVI
Mark Rypien...6th round
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXVII
Troy Aikman...1st round (Overall #1)
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXVIII
Troy Aikman...1st round (Overall #1)
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXIX
Steve Young...1st round (Overall #1) ***USFL***
Stan Humphries...6th round

SB XXX
Troy Aikman...1st round (Overall #1)
Neil O'Donnell...3rd round

SB XXXI
Brett Favre...2nd round
Drew Bledsoe...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXXII
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)
Brett Favre...2nd round

SB XXXIII
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)
Chris Chandler...3rd round

SB XXXIV
Kurt Warner...undrafted
Steve McNair...1st round (3rd overall)

SB XXXV
Trent Dilfer...1st round (6th overall)
Kerry Collins...1st round (5th overall)

SB XXXVI
Tom Brady...6th round
Kurt Warner...undrafted

SB XXXVII
Brad Johnson...4th round
Rich Gannon...9th round

SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady...6th round
Jake Delhomme...undrafted

SB XXXIX
Tom Brady...6th round
Donovan McNabb...1st round (2nd overall)

Okay, by my math there are 39 Super Bowl winning QBs and 78 Super Bowl QBs. There was something weird about Seve Young's draft history. Tampa had his rights. He was overall #1 by the USFL but an NFL site I used listed him as a 1st. I'm using him, because he had that kind of talent.

21 of the 39 Winners were 1st rounders. That's 54% of the time the winning QB is a 1st rounder.

37 of the 78 who have led their team to the game. That's 47% of the time a QB plays in the Super Bowl he is a 1st rounder.

12 of the 39 Super Bowls have been won by the overall #1 pick of a draft. That is 31% of the time.

29 of the 78 Super Bowl QBs were drafted in the top 10 of their drafts. That's 37%.

This is why I am a QB elitest. Can you win without an elite QB? Sure you can. I like the odds better of winning one, or more importantly, more than 1, with an elite QB.

I'd also like to say that had Roger Staubach not gone to the Navy he would have been a top 10 pick, likely overall #1 and these numbers go up.

This is why I like Drew Henson so much. I know there are guys here who do not like to hear it but he was being projected as the overall #1 before he opted to go play baseball. I hope our Coaching staff can tap into that talent. If they can't, how sad.
 
Paniolo22 said:
Zero chance is being unrealistic. Is he going to light it up right away? No, but he is a far better passing propect than his brother, who oh by the way, was the #1 pick in the draft. He is also faster if you can believe that. It would be plain ignorance to say he has "Zero chance" :rolleyes: to start in the NFL. I can name 5 teams that would take him now.
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I guess we'll see...somebody will probaby take him, but he wont be a starter

David
 
I was at that game in Boise and Zabransky, who hasn't looked good either, definitely out-shone Jacobs. Omar looked absolutely LOST! One hoppers, behind the receivers, and panic abounded. They actually pulled him at the start of the second half with the game 48-6 and put him back in at the start of the 4th quarter when Boise State had their scrubs in. Omar THEN proceded to rack up some mop-up numbers. We should pass on this O.J.!
 
dargonking999 said:
Did the Vick family do soemthing to you, you seem to dislike them all :rolleyes:
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no, I just dont care for small QB's who's running skills far surpass their ability to read defenses and throw the football consistently

then add in the questionable off the field stuff with both, and you have even more reason to dislike the Vicks as players

David
 
Hostile said:
I make no bones about being a QB elitest. You want to accuse me of it? I plead guilty.

Consider this list I have submitted before. This is the Super Bowl winning and losing QBs and where they were drafted.

SB I
Bart Starr...17th round
Len Dawson...1st round (5th overall)

SB II
Bart Starr...17th round
Daryle Lamonica...12th round

SB III
Joe Namath...1st round (Overall #1)
Johnny Unitas...9th round

SB IV
Len Dawson...1st round (5th overall)
Joe Kapp...18th round

SB V
Earl Morrall...1st round (2nd overall)
Roger Staubach...10th round

SB VI
Roger Staubach...10th round
Bob Griese...1st round (4th overall)

SB VII
Bob Griese...1st round (4th overall)
Billy Kilmer...1st round (11th overall)

SB VIII
Bob Griese...1st round (4th overall)
Fran Tarkenton...3rd round

SB IX
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Fran Tarkenton...3rd round

SB X
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Roger Staubach...10th round

SB XI
Ken Stabler...2nd round
Fran Tarkenton...3rd round

SB XII
Roger Staubach...10th round
Craig Morton...1st round (5th overall)

SB XIII
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Roger Staubach...10th round

SB XIV
Terry Bradshaw...1st round (Overall #1)
Vince Ferragamo...4th round

SB XV
Jim Plunkett...1st round (Overall #1)
Ron Jaworski...2nd round

SB XVI
Joe Montana...3rd round
Ken Anderson...3rd round

SB XVII
Joe Theisman...4th round
David Woodley...8th round

SB XVIII
Jim Plunkett...1st round (Overall #1)
Joe Theisman...4th round

SB XIX
Joe Montana...3rd round
Dan Marino...1st round (27th overall)

SB XX
Jim McMahon...1st round (5th overall)
Steve Grogan...5th round

SB XXI
Phil Simms...1st round (7th overall)
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXII
Doug Williams...1st round (17th overall)
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXIII
Joe Montana...3rd round
Norman Esiason...2nd round

SB XXIV
Joe Montana...3rd round
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXV
Jeff Hostetler...3rd round
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXVI
Mark Rypien...6th round
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXVII
Troy Aikman...1st round (Overall #1)
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXVIII
Troy Aikman...1st round (Overall #1)
Jim Kelly...1st round (14th overall)

SB XXIX
Steve Young...1st round (Overall #1) ***USFL***
Stan Humphries...6th round

SB XXX
Troy Aikman...1st round (Overall #1)
Neil O'Donnell...3rd round

SB XXXI
Brett Favre...2nd round
Drew Bledsoe...1st round (Overall #1)

SB XXXII
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)
Brett Favre...2nd round

SB XXXIII
John Elway...1st round (Overall #1)
Chris Chandler...3rd round

SB XXXIV
Kurt Warner...undrafted
Steve McNair...1st round (3rd overall)

SB XXXV
Trent Dilfer...1st round (6th overall)
Kerry Collins...1st round (5th overall)

SB XXXVI
Tom Brady...6th round
Kurt Warner...undrafted

SB XXXVII
Brad Johnson...4th round
Rich Gannon...9th round

SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady...6th round
Jake Delhomme...undrafted

SB XXXIX
Tom Brady...6th round
Donovan McNabb...1st round (2nd overall)

Okay, by my math there are 39 Super Bowl winning QBs and 78 Super Bowl QBs. There was something weird about Seve Young's draft history. Tampa had his rights. He was overall #1 by the USFL but an NFL site I used listed him as a 1st. I'm using him, because he had that kind of talent.

21 of the 39 Winners were 1st rounders. That's 54% of the time the winning QB is a 1st rounder.

37 of the 78 who have led their team to the game. That's 47% of the time a QB plays in the Super Bowl he is a 1st rounder.

12 of the 39 Super Bowls have been won by the overall #1 pick of a draft. That is 31% of the time.

29 of the 78 Super Bowl QBs were drafted in the top 10 of their drafts. That's 37%.

This is why I am a QB elitest. Can you win without an elite QB? Sure you can. I like the odds better of winning one, or more importantly, more than 1, with an elite QB.

I'd also like to say that had Roger Staubach not gone to the Navy he would have been a top 10 pick, likely overall #1 and these numbers go up.

This is why I like Drew Henson so much. I know there are guys here who do not like to hear it but he was being projected as the overall #1 before he opted to go play baseball. I hope our Coaching staff can tap into that talent. If they can't, how sad.
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Stick with current SB Champs.

YAWN

It's not about the qb.....
 
Hostile said:
You have yet to show you know anything about the game.
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I know defense wins championships....and in the recent NFL QB's that don't make mistakes on teams with good d's win. If QB's won championships Peyton Manning would have a couple.

Thats the game.
 
fancow said:
I know defense wins championships....and in the recent NFL QB's that don't make mistakes on teams with good d's win. If QB's won championships Peyton Manning would have a couple.

Thats the game.
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So, you maintain those teams won Super Bowl with defense and had mediocre offenses?

Beyond ridiculous.
 
Hostile said:
So, you maintain those teams won Super Bowl with defense and had mediocre offenses?

Beyond ridiculous.
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Ravens?

Yeah I am so off track.

Don't be angry because I am a skins fan.

QB's are important, but first rounders in todays NFL aren't important.

Don't be a hater bro...
 
fancow said:
Ravens?

Yeah I am so off track.

Don't be angry because I am a skins fan.

QB's are important, but first rounders in todays NFL aren't important.

Don't be a hater bro...
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Kid, wake up.

Jamal Lewis wasn't exactly a nobody for the ravens. Yeah, their defense was impressive. Did it help them maintain Championship runs?

Let em answer that for you son. NO.

The fact remains elite QBs matter.
 
Hostile said:
Kid, wake up.

Jamal Lewis wasn't exactly a nobody for the ravens. Yeah, their defense was impressive. Did it help them maintain Championship runs?

Let em answer that for you son. NO.

The fact remains elite QBs matter.
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Who was their QB KID?

Uh it wasn't a HOF'er.

Brady a first rounder son? UH NO.

Rams QB? HOF'er? NO.

Bring it if you have it....but don't sweat me with no facts...
 
Oh yes, Donavan Mcnabb, Peyton Manning, and Carson Palmer all ended up to be good picks but for every one of them, there is a David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, J.P. Losman, and Tim Couch. The reason it's such a stupid thing to act like classic first rounders of yesterday are the same as today's overpaid top drafted QBs. Nowadays 1st round QBs demand unreal contracts that they seldom live up to. Back then you had to earn your salary.
 
Justis said:
Oh yes, Donavan Mcnabb, Peyton Manning, and Carson Palmer all ended up to be good picks bur for every one of them, there is a David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, J.P. Losman, and Tim Couch. The reason it's such a stupid thing to act like classic first rounders of yesterday are the same as today's overpaid top drafted QBs. Nowadays 1st round QBs demand unreal contracts that they seldom live up to. Back then you had to earn your salary.
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Thank you.

I agree.
 
fancow said:
Who was their QB KID?

Uh it wasn't a HOF'er.

Brady a first rounder son? UH NO.

Rams QB? HOF'er? NO.

Bring it if you have it....but don't sweat me with no facts...
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Hate to tell you this, but forget where Brady was drafted because he is an elite QB. Same as Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, et al.

Who was their QB? Trent Dilfer who was a top 10 draft pick. He hasn't lived up to it, but he won a SB.

Again, did they maintain a long run? No. You can't with defense alone. You need both.

Having an elite QB matters. Those are the facts.
 
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