Nice stat on #1 QB's and 10 reasons to get one.

[NeOn_KoWbOy_88]

Even better, we could get him in the 3rd or 4th. Sporting News had a good tidbit about him saying he is more comfortable throwing than taking off and running. His only drawback is he is 5'11. I stll don't care, if we got him in the 3rd I'd be ecstatic.

i think both vick's are 6 flat but regardless Vince Young is 6'4, has a better arm, can take off when needs to (so hes not a freak show of a qb who just runs all the time)

 

[Hostile]

Oh yes, Donavan Mcnabb, Peyton Manning, and Carson Palmer all ended up to be good picks but for every one of them, there is a David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, J.P. Losman, and Tim Couch. The reason it's such a stupid thing to act like classic first rounders of yesterday are the same as today's overpaid top drafted QBs. Nowadays 1st round QBs demand unreal contracts that they seldom live up to. Back then you had to earn your salary.

It shocks me more when Cowboys fan don't realize how much QBs matter over any other team.

Just because guys can bust if taken in the 1st round doesn't mean anything. They can bust from any round.

 

[fancow]

Hate to tell you this, but forget where Brady was drafted because he is an elite QB. Same as Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, et al.

Who was their QB? Trent Dilfer who was a top 10 draft pick. He hasn't lived up to it, but he won a SB.

Again, did they maintain a long run? No. You can't with defense alone. You need both.

Having an elite QB matters. Those are the facts.

Last 5 Superbowls...who were the QB's?

 

[Hostile]

Last 5 Superbowls...who were the QB's?

I gave you the entire list for every QB and every SB with where they were drafted.

Pay attention.

Who are the QBs whose teams have the best shot to win it all this year? You seeing a bunch of 3rd rounders in there?

 

[fancow]

I gave you the entire list for every QB and every SB with where they were drafted.

Pay attention.

Who are the QBs whose teams have the best shot to win it all this year? You seeing a bunch of 3rd rounders in there?

Hasselback, Brunell, Brady, Culpepper, McRibb

Not a bunch of 3rd rounders, but complete teams.

Do you think a NON complete team can win the SB?

 

[fancow]

I gave you the entire list for every QB and every SB with where they were drafted.

Pay attention.

Who are the QBs whose teams have the best shot to win it all this year? You seeing a bunch of 3rd rounders in there?

Like how you say Pay Attention when you got the noose around my neck. Smack talker.

 

[jterrell]

1: Round in which the six highest-rated passers in the NFL all were drafted


Top 6 passers right now were all drafted in the first round. Coincidence? Obviously not, people may point to teams like the Ravens who won the superbowl with Dilfer, or Brady a 6th round pick. But for the most part if you want a qb with big time potential it has to be done in the first. It's a risky move, but sometimes you have to have the balls to make the move, that's been put off for far too long.

I'll not argue with your reasons to draft a QB round 1 because they are simply your reasons. You are entiteld to your opinions for sure.

Quickly tho Trent Dilfer you use in your argument yet HE WAS A 1ST ROUND QB. 6th overall in fact.

However I will gladly debate the fact you call a nice stat. We are 3 whole weeks into the season and arguing anything based on this is nonsense. Especially some arbitrary nonsense like top 6. So lets look back at 2004 and take the top 15 quarterbacks in rating for the regular season.

1 Peyton Manning IND r 1, 1st overall
2 Daunte Culpepper MIN r 1, 11th overall
3 Drew Brees SD 2nd round.
4 Donovan McNabb PHI r1, 2nd overall
5 Ben Roethlisberger PIT r1, 11th overall
6 Brian Griese TB 3rd round
7 Trent Green KC 8th round, yes 8th
8 Marc Bulger STL 6th round
9 Tom Brady NE 6th round
10 Brett Favre GB 2nd round
11 Chad Pennington NYJ 1st round
12 Jake Delhomme CAR undrafted free agent
13 Billy Volek TEN undrafted free agent
14 Kurt Warner NYG undrafted free agent
15 Jake Plummer DEN 3rd round

Of those guys 5 out of 15 were 1st rounders; FIVE!!!!
Thats insanely poor drafting and evaluation. Or its just a sign of how hard it is to hit on Quarterbacks.

Further its not really about the top guys but all the guys who flopped setting franchises back years.

2002 1 1 1 1 David Carr Texans Fresno State
2 1 3 3 Joey Harrington Lions Oregon
3 1 32 32 Patrick Ramsey Commanders Tulane
4 3 16 81 Josh McCown Cardinals Sam Houston State
5 4 10 108 David Garrard Jaguars East Carolina
6 4 19 117 Rohan Davey Patriots Louisiana State
7 5 2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers Stanford
8 5 23 158 Kurt Kittner Falcons Illinois
9 5 28 163 Brandon Doman 49ers Brigham Young
10 5 29 164 Craig Nall Packers Northwestern State
11 6 14 186 J.T. O'Sullivan Saints California-Davis
12 6 33 205 Steve Bellisari Rams Ohio State
13 7 5 216 Seth Burford Chargers Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo
14 7 21 232 Jeff Kelly Seahawks Southern Mississippi
15 7 24 235 Ronald Curry Raiders North Carolina
16 7 25 236 Wes Pate Ravens Stephen F. Austin
2001 1 1 1 1 Michael Vick Falcons Virginia Tech
2 2 1 32 Drew Brees Chargers Purdue
3 2 22 53 Quincy Carter Cowboys Georgia
4 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Raiders Washington
5 4 11 106 Chris Weinke Panthers Florida State
6 4 14 109 Sage Rosenfels Commanders Iowa State
7 4 30 125 Jesse Palmer Giants Florida
8 5 18 149 Mike McMahon Lions Rutgers
9 5 24 155 A.J. Feeley Eagles Oregon
10 6 9 172 Josh Booty Seahawks Louisiana State
11 6 14 177 Josh Heupel Dolphins Oklahoma
2000 1 1 18 18 Chad Pennington Jets Marshall
2 3 3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi 49ers Hofstra
3 3 13 75 Chris Redman Ravens Louisville
4 5 34 163 Tee Martin Steelers Tennessee
5 6 2 168 Marc Bulger Saints West Virginia
6 6 17 183 Spergon Wynn Browns Southwest Texas State
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady Patriots Michigan
8 6 36 202 Todd Husak Commanders Stanford
9 6 39 205 JaJuan Seider Chargers Florida A&M
10 7 6 212 Tim Rattay 49ers Louisiana Tech
11 7 8 214 Jarious Jackson Broncos Notre Dame
12 7 28 234 Joe Hamilton Buccaneers Georgia Tech
1999 1 1 1 1 Tim Couch Browns Kentucky
2 1 2 2 Donovan McNabb Eagles Syracuse
3 1 3 3 Akili Smith Bengals Oregon
4 1 11 11 Daunte Culpepper Vikings Central Florida
5 1 12 12 Cade McNown Bears UCLA
6 2 19 50 Shaun King Buccaneers Tulane
7 3 16 77 Brock Huard Seahawks Washington
8 4 6 101 Joe Germaine Rams Ohio State
9 4 36 131 Aaron Brooks Packers Virginia
10 5 18 151 Kevin Daft Oilers California-Davis
11 7 21 227 Michael Bishop Patriots Kansas State
12 7 33 239 Chris Greisen Cardinals Northwest Missouri State
13 7 39 245 Scott Covington Bengals Miami (FL)
1998 1 1 1 1 Peyton Manning Colts Tennessee
2 1 2 2 Ryan Leaf Chargers Washington State
3 2 30 60 Charlie Batch Lions Eastern Michigan
4 3 25 86 Jonathan Quinn Jaguars Middle Tennessee State
5 3 30 91 Brian Griese Broncos Michigan
6 6 19 172 John Dutton Dolphins Nevada
7 6 34 187 Matt Hasselbeck Packers Boston College
8 7 43 232 Moses Moreno Bears Colorado State
1997 1 1 26 26 Jim Druckenmiller 49ers Virginia Tech
2 2 12 42 Jake Plummer Cardinals Arizona State
3 4 3 99 Danny Wuerffel Saints Florida
4 4 14 110 Pat Barnes Chiefs California
5 6 8 171 Mike Cherry Giants Murray State
6 6 28 191 Chuck Clements Jets Houston
7 7 3 204 Tony Graziani Falcons Oregon
8 7 6 207 Koy Detmer Eagles Colorado
9 7 33 234 Wally Richardson Ravens Penn State
10 7 36 237 Tony Corbin Chargers Sacramento State
11 7 39 240 Ronnie McAda Packers Army
1996 1 2 12 42 Tony Banks Rams Michigan State
2 3 24 85 Bobby Hoying Eagles Ohio State
3 4 5 100 Jeff Lewis Broncos Northern Arizona
4 4 35 130 Danny Kanell Giants Florida State
5 6 36 203 Spence Fischer Steelers Duke
6 6 38 205 Mike Cawley Colts James Madison
7 7 29 238 Jon Stark Ravens Trinity
8 7 31 240 Kyle Wachholtz Packers USC
1995 1 1 3 3 Steve McNair Oilers Alcorn State
2 1 5 5 Kerry Collins Panthers Penn State
3 2 13 45 Todd Collins Bills Michigan
4 2 28 60 Kordell Stewart Steelers Colorado
5 3 16 80 Stoney Case Cardinals New Mexico
6 3 20 84 Eric Zeier Browns Georgia
7 4 1 99 Rob Johnson Jaguars USC
8 4 13 111 Chad May Vikings Kansas State
9 4 21 119 Dave Barr Eagles California
10 4 36 134 Steve Stenstrom Chiefs Stanford
11 5 26 160 Jay Barker Packers Alabama
12 6 20 191 Jerry Colquitt Panthers Tennessee
13 6 26 197 Craig Whelihan Chargers Pacific
14 7 5 213 John Walsh Bengals Brigham Young
1994 1 1 3 3 Heath Shuler Commanders Tennessee
2 1 6 6 Trent Dilfer Buccaneers Fresno State
3 4 8 111 Perry Klein Falcons C.W. Post
4 4 13 116 Doug Nussmeier Saints Idaho
5 6 17 178 Jim Miller Steelers Michigan State
6 7 3 197 Gus Frerotte Commanders Tulsa
7 7 4 198 Jay Walker Patriots Howard
8 7 5 199 Steve Matthews Chiefs Memphis
9 7 14 208 Glenn Foley Jets Boston College


Where guys flopped it killed those teams. Look at the Texans with Carr. Imagine had they drafted Julius Peppers instead and had signed a veteran QB. Look ta that draft where we got Roy Williams at 8. It is one of the better drafts of the past 20 years. Yet Carr and Harrington and their respective teams are still struggling along. Carolina who took Peppers when they badly needed a QB went out and signed an undrafted guy in free agency then oh just went onto the Super Bowl.

 

[fancow]

Where are the first round QB Busts? Give the facts.....

 

[fancow]

I'll not argue with your reasons to draft a QB round 1 because they are simply your reasons. You are entiteld to your opinions for sure.

Quickly tho Trent Dilfer you use in your argument yet HE WAS A 1ST ROUND QB. 6th overall in fact.

However I will gladly debate the fact you call a nice stat. We are 3 whole weeks into the season and arguing anything based on this is nonsense. Especially some arbitrary nonsense like top 6. So lets look back at 2004 and take the top 15 quarterbacks in rating for the regular season.

1 Peyton Manning IND r 1, 1st overall
2 Daunte Culpepper MIN r 1, 11th overall
3 Drew Brees SD 2nd round.
4 Donovan McNabb PHI r1, 2nd overall
5 Ben Roethlisberger PIT r1, 11th overall
6 Brian Griese TB 3rd round
7 Trent Green KC 8th round, yes 8th
8 Marc Bulger STL 6th round
9 Tom Brady NE 6th round
10 Brett Favre GB 2nd round
11 Chad Pennington NYJ 1st round
12 Jake Delhomme CAR undrafted free agent
13 Billy Volek TEN undrafted free agent
14 Kurt Warner NYG undrafted free agent
15 Jake Plummer DEN 3rd round

Of those guys 5 out of 15 were 1st rounders; FIVE!!!!
Thats insanely poor drafting and evaluation. Or its just a sign of how hard it is to hit on Quarterbacks.

Further its not really about the top guys but all the guys who flopped setting franchises back years.

2002 1 1 1 1 David Carr Texans Fresno State
2 1 3 3 Joey Harrington Lions Oregon
3 1 32 32 Patrick Ramsey Commanders Tulane
4 3 16 81 Josh McCown Cardinals Sam Houston State
5 4 10 108 David Garrard Jaguars East Carolina
6 4 19 117 Rohan Davey Patriots Louisiana State
7 5 2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers Stanford
8 5 23 158 Kurt Kittner Falcons Illinois
9 5 28 163 Brandon Doman 49ers Brigham Young
10 5 29 164 Craig Nall Packers Northwestern State
11 6 14 186 J.T. O'Sullivan Saints California-Davis
12 6 33 205 Steve Bellisari Rams Ohio State
13 7 5 216 Seth Burford Chargers Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo
14 7 21 232 Jeff Kelly Seahawks Southern Mississippi
15 7 24 235 Ronald Curry Raiders North Carolina
16 7 25 236 Wes Pate Ravens Stephen F. Austin
2001 1 1 1 1 Michael Vick Falcons Virginia Tech
2 2 1 32 Drew Brees Chargers Purdue
3 2 22 53 Quincy Carter Cowboys Georgia
4 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Raiders Washington
5 4 11 106 Chris Weinke Panthers Florida State
6 4 14 109 Sage Rosenfels Commanders Iowa State
7 4 30 125 Jesse Palmer Giants Florida
8 5 18 149 Mike McMahon Lions Rutgers
9 5 24 155 A.J. Feeley Eagles Oregon
10 6 9 172 Josh Booty Seahawks Louisiana State
11 6 14 177 Josh Heupel Dolphins Oklahoma
2000 1 1 18 18 Chad Pennington Jets Marshall
2 3 3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi 49ers Hofstra
3 3 13 75 Chris Redman Ravens Louisville
4 5 34 163 Tee Martin Steelers Tennessee
5 6 2 168 Marc Bulger Saints West Virginia
6 6 17 183 Spergon Wynn Browns Southwest Texas State
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady Patriots Michigan
8 6 36 202 Todd Husak Commanders Stanford
9 6 39 205 JaJuan Seider Chargers Florida A&M
10 7 6 212 Tim Rattay 49ers Louisiana Tech
11 7 8 214 Jarious Jackson Broncos Notre Dame
12 7 28 234 Joe Hamilton Buccaneers Georgia Tech
1999 1 1 1 1 Tim Couch Browns Kentucky
2 1 2 2 Donovan McNabb Eagles Syracuse
3 1 3 3 Akili Smith Bengals Oregon
4 1 11 11 Daunte Culpepper Vikings Central Florida
5 1 12 12 Cade McNown Bears UCLA
6 2 19 50 Shaun King Buccaneers Tulane
7 3 16 77 Brock Huard Seahawks Washington
8 4 6 101 Joe Germaine Rams Ohio State
9 4 36 131 Aaron Brooks Packers Virginia
10 5 18 151 Kevin Daft Oilers California-Davis
11 7 21 227 Michael Bishop Patriots Kansas State
12 7 33 239 Chris Greisen Cardinals Northwest Missouri State
13 7 39 245 Scott Covington Bengals Miami (FL)
1998 1 1 1 1 Peyton Manning Colts Tennessee
2 1 2 2 Ryan Leaf Chargers Washington State
3 2 30 60 Charlie Batch Lions Eastern Michigan
4 3 25 86 Jonathan Quinn Jaguars Middle Tennessee State
5 3 30 91 Brian Griese Broncos Michigan
6 6 19 172 John Dutton Dolphins Nevada
7 6 34 187 Matt Hasselbeck Packers Boston College
8 7 43 232 Moses Moreno Bears Colorado State
1997 1 1 26 26 Jim Druckenmiller 49ers Virginia Tech
2 2 12 42 Jake Plummer Cardinals Arizona State
3 4 3 99 Danny Wuerffel Saints Florida
4 4 14 110 Pat Barnes Chiefs California
5 6 8 171 Mike Cherry Giants Murray State
6 6 28 191 Chuck Clements Jets Houston
7 7 3 204 Tony Graziani Falcons Oregon
8 7 6 207 Koy Detmer Eagles Colorado
9 7 33 234 Wally Richardson Ravens Penn State
10 7 36 237 Tony Corbin Chargers Sacramento State
11 7 39 240 Ronnie McAda Packers Army
1996 1 2 12 42 Tony Banks Rams Michigan State
2 3 24 85 Bobby Hoying Eagles Ohio State
3 4 5 100 Jeff Lewis Broncos Northern Arizona
4 4 35 130 Danny Kanell Giants Florida State
5 6 36 203 Spence Fischer Steelers Duke
6 6 38 205 Mike Cawley Colts James Madison
7 7 29 238 Jon Stark Ravens Trinity
8 7 31 240 Kyle Wachholtz Packers USC
1995 1 1 3 3 Steve McNair Oilers Alcorn State
2 1 5 5 Kerry Collins Panthers Penn State
3 2 13 45 Todd Collins Bills Michigan
4 2 28 60 Kordell Stewart Steelers Colorado
5 3 16 80 Stoney Case Cardinals New Mexico
6 3 20 84 Eric Zeier Browns Georgia
7 4 1 99 Rob Johnson Jaguars USC
8 4 13 111 Chad May Vikings Kansas State
9 4 21 119 Dave Barr Eagles California
10 4 36 134 Steve Stenstrom Chiefs Stanford
11 5 26 160 Jay Barker Packers Alabama
12 6 20 191 Jerry Colquitt Panthers Tennessee
13 6 26 197 Craig Whelihan Chargers Pacific
14 7 5 213 John Walsh Bengals Brigham Young
1994 1 1 3 3 Heath Shuler Commanders Tennessee
2 1 6 6 Trent Dilfer Buccaneers Fresno State
3 4 8 111 Perry Klein Falcons C.W. Post
4 4 13 116 Doug Nussmeier Saints Idaho
5 6 17 178 Jim Miller Steelers Michigan State
6 7 3 197 Gus Frerotte Commanders Tulsa
7 7 4 198 Jay Walker Patriots Howard
8 7 5 199 Steve Matthews Chiefs Memphis
9 7 14 208 Glenn Foley Jets Boston College


Where guys flopped it killed those teams. Look at the Texans with Carr. Imagine had they drafted Julius Peppers instead and had signed a veteran QB. Look ta that draft where we got Roy Williams at 8. It is one of the better drafts of the past 20 years. Yet Carr and Harrington and their respective teams are still struggling along. Carolina who took Peppers when they badly needed a QB went out and signed an undrafted guy in free agency then oh just went onto the Super Bowl.

Brady?

Brady?

Brady?

 

[Justis]

It shocks me more when Cowboys fan don't realize how much QBs matter over any other team.

Just because guys can bust if taken in the 1st round doesn't mean anything. They can bust from any round.

Duh, you can bust in any round, but how many 2nd or 3rd round qbs ask for 20 million guaranteed. The National Football League has changed, it clearly hurts more than it helps to pick a 1st round QB, and besides our best QB was a late rounder.

 

[fancow]

Kurt Warner?

 

[fancow]

Duh, you can bust in any round, but how many 2nd or 3rd round qbs ask for 20 million guaranteed. The National Football League has changed, it clearly hurts more than it helps to pick a 1st round QB, and besides our best QB was a late rounder.

Who was that?

 

[Hostile]

Hasselback, Brunell, Brady, Culpepper, McRibb

Not a bunch of 3rd rounders, but complete teams.

Do you think a NON complete team can win the SB?

You don't pay attention. I said a Defense can't win it alone. That you need both and that elite QBs give you a better chance.

Brunell? Please.

 

[Justis]

Who was that?

Staubach

 

[Hostile]

Duh, you can bust in any round, but how many 2nd or 3rd round qbs ask for 20 million guaranteed. The National Football League has changed, it clearly hurts more than it helps to pick a 1st round QB, and besides our best QB was a late rounder.

I do not agree.

The high paid QBs will get their teams in line for a shot, year after year. The "bus drivers" won't.

 

[fancow]

You don't pay attention. I said a Defense can't win it alone. That you need both and that elite QBs give you a better chance.

Brunell? Please.

SO the Ravens won with an elite QB? Brady??????????????

 

[fancow]

Staubach

He was the Boys best QB?????????????????????????????????

 

[Hostile]

SO the Ravens won with an elite QB? Brady??????????????

Do I need to hold your hand?

Brady is an elite QB. Forget where he was drafted.

Dilfer may not be elite but he was a top 10 pick. Jamal Lewis was dangerous. What did I contend? Uh, that would be that you don't win Championships with "just" a defense, it takes both.

I admitted there are teams that break the trend. They do NOT sustain Championship runs. That's a fact.

You want one of those mediocre QBs you can have them.

I'll take the elite guys any day of the week.

 

[Hostile]

He was the Boys best QB?????????????????????????????????

Proof that I was right not to be impressed with your football knowledge.

Or rather, lack thereof.

 

[fancow]

Do I need to hold your hand?

Brady is an elite QB. Forget where he was drafted.

Dilfer may not be elite but he was a top 10 pick. Jamal Lewis was dangerous. What did I contend? Uh, that would be that you don't win Championships with "just" a defense, it takes both.

I admitted there are teams that break the trend. They do NOT sustain Championship runs. That's a fact.

You want one of those mediocre QBs you can have them.

I'll take the elite guys any day of the week.

Well you got one with Bledsoe. Lets see what that gets you.