No Disrespect to McFadden but...

[big dog cowboy]

I don't really want McFadden. I want to improve our pass coverage with those two #1s. Maybe a safety and a corner.

Hang on a second. We would be better going CB and moving Henry. We go safety in the first and uke:

 

[Doomsday101]

I have not changed my mind if McFadden is there when Dallas picks I would love to have him on this team. I would agree that Dallas needs other areas as well such as CB but with 2 1st rd picks I'm sure Dallas can get a high prospect at CB

 

[Hostile]

I would absolutely take McFadden over any other player if we had the chance. There would not even be a moment's hesitation.

McFadden is dangerous as a RB, as a WR, as a KR or PR, and can even pass the ball. He has the best stiff arm I have seen since Walter Payton.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Re: Kelly. I don't like slow receivers. Some can get open using their body, like Keyshawn, but I don't see that same sort of ability with Kelly. He just relies on being tall in college. That doesn't translate very well. His routes look pretty sloppy to me too. He does have great hands, but that just isn't enough.

Agree. Kelly is touted a lot, but he doesn't look that fast to me. I just don't see him making *that* many plays.

Now is that because he's doubled all the time? Maybe. I haven't paid that close attention to him. But IMO the great athletes usually jump out at you. If you have to really study to see if a guy is that fast, he usually isn't.

Honestly, I think Iglesias looks just as good if not better.

Personally, I'm hoping McFadden keeps having a bad year so that we might get him anyway. I still think he's the best (and like you say, he's nothing like Reggie Bush).

 

[superpunk]

Not seeing McFadden run tough, and break tackles and beat defenses up doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If you haven't seen it, chances are you just haven't seen him very much. He is fully capable of banging it up in there, and noone benefits from him doing that more than Felix Jones.

I think some people see his higlights, and are putting the fact that on his top runs, NOONE can touch him or get an angle on him because he's so physically superior to the opposition, as a blight against him.

It's not.

It's one thing to do what Bush did against the Fresno State's of the world, where he was going up against far inferior talent, and largely talent that won't get into the NFL. It's quite another to do what McFadden does in the SEC, which has the best defensive athletes in the nation, and churns out pro's like it's going out of style.

I think Peterson was the better RB prospect. But McFadden is the best player in college football right now. Noone should pass on him, for anyone.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Agree. Kelly is touted a lot, but he doesn't look that fast to me. I just don't see him making *that* many plays.

Michael Irvin, Terrell Owens, (more recently) Marques Colston, and Dwayne Bowe. Speed doesn't make you a great receiver. MOST of the best receivers to ever play the game, where not the fastest players on the field.

So many receiver busts are because they drafted for speed. As I've said 1,000 times when discussing running backs, speed doesn't translate to the NFL! :bang2:

 

[Zaxor]

Agree. Kelly is touted a lot, but he doesn't look that fast to me. I just don't see him making *that* many plays.

Now is that because he's doubled all the time? Maybe. I haven't paid that close attention to him. But IMO the great athletes usually jump out at you. If you have to really study to see if a guy is that fast, he usually isn't.

Honestly, I think Iglesias looks just as good if not better.

Personally, I'm hoping McFadden keeps having a bad year so that we might get him anyway. I still think he's the best (and like you say, he's nothing like Reggie Bush).

I have gotten to see 2 games from OU and he showed up both times though the annoucers kept giving props to Kelly... but when OU needed a play they went to Iglesias that tells me what I need to know.

I still think Rice is gonna be a better pro and for longer than McFadden...I can't really tell you why...there is just something about McFadden that screams to me... hands off... I just can't tell you what it is exactly

 

[YosemiteSam]

Not seeing McFadden run tough, and break tackles and beat defenses up doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If you haven't seen it, chances are you just haven't seen him very much. He is fully capable of banging it up in there, and noone benefits from him doing that more than Felix Jones.

People keep telling me I haven't seen him play, and I keep telling them, Yes I did.

I think some people see his higlights, and are putting the fact that on his top runs, NOONE can touch him or get an angle on him because he's so physically superior to the opposition, as a blight against him.

First off, if you can break tackles, it WILL make the highlight reel, and there are no IF, AND, OR BUTs about it. Noone in college can touch him because of his speed. As I said, speed doesn't translate to the NFL. So many draft busts are because of speed.

It's one thing to do what Bush did against the Fresno State's of the world, where he was going up against far inferior talent, and largely talent that won't get into the NFL. It's quite another to do what McFadden does in the SEC, which has the best defensive athletes in the nation, and churns out pro's like it's going out of style.

SEC != NFL Arkansas' offense would be CRUSHED against any NFL defense.

I think Peterson was the better RB prospect. But McFadden is the best player in college football right now. Noone should pass on him, for anyone.

We agree here, and I don't know how many people said I was stupid when I said McFadden isn't even in the same hemisphere as Peterson. Guess what, even Peterson's highlight reels showed him breaking tackles left and right. Something that McFadden's doesn't show.

 

[superpunk]

Just to expound on how non-equivalent the Bush/McFadden parallels are:

1. Bush played in the most dynamic offense in college football, behind great offensive lines, and ith a QB and receivers who filled the first and second rounds of the NFL draft. Can you say that about anyone on that Arkansas offense, aside from Felix Jones? I don't know about their Oline, but is there a single day 1 prospect on that side of the ball with McFadden? There is nowhere near the talent surrounding McFadden that surrounded Bush.

2. Bush played in the defensively undermanned PAC-10. Surrounded by playmakers, Bush got to go up against slow, stupid defenses week in and week out. McFadden has to go up against teams stacked with NFL talent week after week - and he still produces.

3. Bush never played the feature, carry the load back role for any period of time at USC. McFadden is given the ball 30 times a game sometimes, and never slows down despite the brutal beating he is taking, because he runs so tough.

So please, stop the inane Bush-McFadden comparisons just because McFadden is so physically superior that noone can get an angle on him - even in the SEC. The only thing they have in common is their speed. Bush is nowhere near the overall physical specimen that Darren McFadden is, and he will never be the RB that McFadden will be.

McFadden = Sure Thing. Don't sleep.

 

[AtlCB]

These McFadden posts are just stupid now. With the way Cleveland is playing, we will have no shot at drafting him. CB and a fast WR who can actually play are much bigger needs.

 

[conner01]

i've watched mcfadden since h.s., he is a very powerful runner with blazing spped and great hands. he is by far the best rb in this draft and much better than bush will ever be. having saif that he has no chance of falling to us.if he was there i would take him but it ain't happening. so i think our best bet is to take the best of cb's,wr's, or maybe ot's.
our biggest need is cb. henry ain't getting no younger, and reeves is a f.a. at the end of this year.but that does'nt mean i would pass on a better wr or ot just to fill a need

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just to expound on how non-equivalent the Bush/McFadden parallels are:

1. Bush played in the most dynamic offense in college football, behind great offensive lines, and ith a QB and receivers who filled the first and second rounds of the NFL draft. Can you say that about anyone on that Arkansas offense, aside from Felix Jones? I don't know about their Oline, but is there a single day 1 prospect on that side of the ball with McFadden? There is nowhere near the talent surrounding McFadden that surrounded Bush.

2. Bush played in the defensively undermanned PAC-10. Surrounded by playmakers, Bush got to go up against slow, stupid defenses week in and week out. McFadden has to go up against teams stacked with NFL talent week after week - and he still produces.

3. Bush never played the feature, carry the load back role for any period of time at USC. McFadden is given the ball 30 times a game sometimes, and never slows down despite the brutal beating he is taking, because he runs so tough.

So please, stop the inane Bush-McFadden comparisons just because McFadden is so physically superior that noone can get an angle on him - even in the SEC. The only thing they have in common is their speed. Bush is nowhere near the overall physical specimen that Darren McFadden is, and he will never be the RB that McFadden will be.

McFadden = Sure Thing. Don't sleep.

You keep telling us how Bush played in a inferior conference, yet when push came to shove, they won the National Championship several times. They didn't beat Fresno State to win it all.

 

[YosemiteSam]

These McFadden posts are just stupid now. With the way Cleveland is playing, we will have no shot at drafting him. CB and a fast WR who can actually play are much bigger needs.

I will take a CB or FS and a big (meaning size) play making WR and develop Stanback as our speed threat.

 

[superpunk]

You keep telling us how Bush played in a inferior conference, yet when push came to shove, they won the National Championship several times. They didn't beat Fresno State to win it all.

That is not the only reason, and that hardly negates the point. They won the NC as a team. A team that required you account for every player on offense, taking away attention from Reggie Bush.

When you play Arkansas, you gameplan McFadden - that's all. Against better competition, as the only offensive weapon most downs, he still excels.

Any comparison to Bush is based on youtube reels, and is completely baseless. They are nothing alike in how they play and compete in college.

 

[AtlCB]

You keep telling us how Bush played in a inferior conference, yet when push came to shove, they won the National Championship several times. They didn't beat Fresno State to win it all.

That fact really doesn't help your argument. USC was a great team, but their conference wasn't very good. Reaching the title game should be easier with a weaker schedule.

 

[theogt]

Michael Irvin, Terrell Owens, (more recently) Marques Colston, and Dwayne Bowe. Speed doesn't make you a great receiver. MOST of the best receivers to ever play the game, where not the fastest players on the field.

So many receiver busts are because they drafted for speed. As I've said 1,000 times when discussing running backs, speed doesn't translate to the NFL! :bang2:

Bowe and Owens are fast. Owens is ridiculously fast. They also use their body to get open, which Kelly doesn't seem to do.

And throw all pre-90s times out the window.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Bowe and Owens are fast. Owens is ridiculously fast. They also use their body to get open, which Kelly doesn't seem to do.

And throw all pre-90s times out the window.

WHOA! Bowe's 40 time is slower than Malcolm Kelly's! While some say Owens is fast, he isn't considered a speedster ala Santana Moss, Terry Glenn, or even the new fangled kick returner Ted Ginn Jr. He isn't even close to the speed Calvin Johnson put on display at the combine for a BIG wide receiver.

BTW, I did mention before last year's draft that I wanted to draft Bowe in the first round.

 

[YosemiteSam]

That fact really doesn't help your argument. USC was a great team, but their conference wasn't very good. Reaching the title game should be easier with a weaker schedule.

You still have to win whether that be an SEC team or whatever conference they come from. They just couldn't pull of the win against my second favorite team. Texas. (TCU is my favorite)

 

[theogt]

WHOA! Bowe's 40 time is slower than Malcolm Kelly's! While some say Owens is fast, he isn't considered a speedster ala Santana Moss, Terry Glenn, or even the new fangled kick returner Ted Ginn Jr. He isn't even close to the speed Calvin Johnson put on display at the combine for a BIG wide receiver.

Dude, I've already told you -- don't look at any 40 time that isn't done by professional NFL scouts. Malcolm Kelly does not have a 40 time.

Bowe ran a 4.40 at his Pro Day.

I'd bet good money that if TO trained he could get very close to 4.3s.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Bowe ran a 4.40 at his Pro Day.

I'll stick with Bowe's combine score of 4.51. It's more tightly regulated than Pro Day workouts and more fair when judging all 40 times because they all compete on the same field.