No hate on Dak, but what does he do better than Rush?

[NeverBeGameOver]

We already know we can’t beat good teams with Dak and it’s arguably the worst contract decision in Cowboys history.

Zeke...

Coop's fundamentals are solid. Makes the reads, delivers the football, and plays within himself. I expect him to beat the Commies next week. He's one blowout loss from Philly away from ending this entire conversation though. It happens with hot backups all the time.

A good showing from Dak, and I feel we could smack Philly back down to earth. I don't know if Rush could handle that type of game yet.

 

[ultron]

Everything.

 

[NeverBeGameOver]

Getting to the playoffs and winning is 2 different things.

I'd try Rush, and see what he can do, if not look elsewhere. Trade Dak. We all know what Dak can do.

Pollard also needs to play more , and Zeke needs to go. Dump all that over paid money, and use it wisely for a change.

One or 2 more defensive stars away from looking really good.

Agreed on the Pollard and Zeke situation. Zeke is basically a short yardage back now.

We're stuck with Dak, for better or worse.

 

[CWR]

Cut the hurt excuses.. Dak was running fine and his drop in performance was the same typical drop in performances that he always has. Teams just stopped blitzing and ran more zone and made Dak process the field. There is 7 years of tape on Dak and it’s the same thing year in and year out.

Tua right now is “the greatest QB in the NFL” right now in 3 games.

When they ran zone we should've adjusted. There was no run game, as there is now. KC and Mahomes went through the same thing in the middle of last season, but they adjusted. When Dak comes back they need to keep the same game plan. If he falters then, put him on the bench.

There is NO world where he doesn't get his starting job back. Jerry won't allow that, so we may as well end this fantasy now.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Dak needs to come back if for no other reason than to show without a shadow of a doubt that he doesn't need to be extended any longer.

I don't believe Dak or Rush is the right QB for this team, but extending Dak would basically guarantee failure.

 

[erod]

I’m guessing if Rush had anywhere close to the reps/tape that Dak has put out in the last 6 years, you all would be begging for Dak to get back. We are yet to see Rush go down 17 in a first half and be forced to gunsling his way to a victory. We’re yet to see Rush run for his life for 4 quarters. Etc…

I understand hating Dak is the trendy thing to do but I’m rolling with him because he’s a known commodity, and that’s a top 10 QB ceiling. We’ve seen him at his absolute worst and absolute best, good circumstances and bad. I know what I’m getting. I have a very average 3 game sample size from Rush and some horrid preseason tape.

If you think the Dallas defense is for real, the smart decision is to roll with the better player, even if you think he’s only marginally better. I do not care about the salaries of either player. Dak’s contract is a sunk cost.

The point is, Dak is incredibly limited and indecisive, and he has no confidence in his arm. He holds the ball and takes sacks, and he anticipates nothing.

NFL defenses have zero fear of Dak and don't have to gamelan for him at all. He's as basic as they get.

 

[khiladi]

When they ran zone we should've adjusted. There was no run game, as there is now. KC and Mahomes went through the same thing in the middle of last season, but they adjusted. When Dak comes back they need to keep the same game plan. If he falters then, put him on the bench.

There is NO world where he doesn't get his starting job back. Jerry won't allow that, so we may as well end this fantasy now.

No, they do not do the same thing with Mahomes and Dak. You guys just constantly try and throw mud at the wall to make it stick to defend Dak.

The difference between Mahomes and Dak, is the latter had the BEST OL and RG for years, meaning teams were forced to bring extra defenders in the box. The RG was doing exactly what it was suppose to, giving Dak easy looks. Any QB worth a grain of salt would have feasted in those conditions, but no defense would have played that high-risk strategy against a QB they feared. Because then teams would have to pick their poison. That’s why it was insanity to start Dak over Romo, especially with the way Zeke was not only running, but running as a home run threat.

On the other hand, with guys like Mahomes they were not. Teams decided to stop blitzing in 2022 to start the season, but they still were scoring unlike our resident QB, who looked like one of the worst QBs in the league. In fact, in 2020, he was still the second least most blitzed QB, while defenses made it a habit to try and come at Dak, as they were willing to risk an exposed secondary to try and bring pressure. Mahomes also still had ridiculous numbers when he was not blitzed, like against the Eagles he has 5 TDs.

So yeah, we all know QBs will ‘struggle’ passing against defenses that throw more folks and coverage and if you can get heat, but Dak Prescott is not that type of QB. His struggling is a whole different level of struggling even against bad teams, while the good QBs get used to it. Dak has always sucked against zone defenses. He’s always been known as a guy who needs his OC to get him the early reads.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Let’s be real here:

Dak lucked out with a load franchise, but because of his marketability, was declared something he never was. He was always seen as over-rated and there were questions about whether he was the right man for the job.

Teams were never threatened by him, they just respected the OL and RG so much, they made it easier for this average QB to read the field consistently. As I always said, you can tell by how opponents planned for him. Dak was seeing single safety high and man coverage and that was a testimony more to the RG and OL. No defense would defend a guy like Herbert in his first year, let alone year 6.

Dak still throws balls late, default to checkdowns, fall into horrible mechanics, has awful pocket presence, needs his OC to scheme WR getting open on early reads for him. Dak has NEVER been able to put even his “best QB traits together consistently” . Yeah, he may have a game here and there, where everything is going right, but that’s every QB in the league with a loaded roster that has an offense tailored to his skill set for 7 years running, with all sorts of weapons at his disposal. The things he always did well, he’s improved but how glaring weaknesses are still evident to anybody that watched. He can’t overcome them as he’s peaked. The TB game was arguably his best game ever as a Cowboy and that was one where TB just played aggressive man and didn’t shadow any help to Amari Cooper, with the CB playing off, and him and Dak just played pitch and catch all day, while Zeke was stone-walling the extra rushers.

This isn’t a QB like Rodgers. Mahomes, Herbert, Josh Allen or any of the others that have all the tools, it’s just a matter of it all coming together for them at the right moment to consistently make runs for SBs. Every year for Dak you’ll see extended stretches of horrible play, with him being the weak link.

None of this is new, it’s on his draft scouting report.

I would love reading your writing style even if it was about watching grass grow.

I know I've told you before, but man you have a way of saying things! I always look forward to your posts and usually agree with everything you write.

 

[CWR]

No, they do not do the same thing with Mahomes and Dak. You guys just constantly try and throw mud at the wall to make it stick to defend Dak.

The difference between Mahomes and Dak, is the latter had the BEST OL and RG for years, meaning teams were forced to bring extra defenders in the box. The RG was doing exactly what it was suppose to, giving Dak easy looks. Any QB worth a grain of salt would have feasted in those conditions, but no defense would have played that high-risk strategy against a QB they feared.

On the other hand, with guys like Mahomes they were not. Teams decided to stop blitzing in 2022x to start the season, but they still were scoring unlike our resident QB, who looked like one of the worst QBs in the league. In fact, in 2020, he was still the least most blitzed QB. He also still had ridiculous numbers when he was not blitzed, like against the Eagles he has 5 TDs.

So yeah, we all know QBs will ‘struggle’ passing against defenses that throw more folks and coverage and if you can get heat, but Dak Prescott is not that type of QB. His struggling is a whole different level of struggling.

Yes, they absolutely did and KC adjusted well.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article255018537.html

No one is talking about the last several seasons where Dak played well. We are talking about post Denver. This is the challenge he has to overcome. KM has done well with Rush. Keep the same game plan and see what Dak can do.

"You guys" and your hatred prevents any rational conversation.

 

[Landryhat73]

2021
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You are literally trying to elevate a Jason Garrett over a Troy Aikman.

Its amazing, the same people that wanted to cut Cooper Rush and keep Will Grier as the backup now want him to replace Prescott.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Would love to hear what our fans think, logically.

Better pure passer? No
Better at reading defense? No
Better runner? Sure maybe
More decisive? No
More expensive? Yes

Logically it is pretty clear, he is better at losing to teams over 500...

 

[khiladi]

Yes, they absolutely did and KC adjusted well.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article255018537.html

No one is talking about the last several seasons where Dak played well. We are talking about post Denver. This is the challenge he has to overcome. KM has done well with Rush. Keep the same game plan and see what Dak can do.

"You guys" and your hatred prevents any rational conversation.

Again, no we are comparing Dak to Mahomes and no they did not. Again, in 2020, Mahomes was the second least blitzed QB in the league. Defenses always respected his arm, while last year with Dak, they simply went from one of the top most blitzed teams, to 22nd the last 8 games and Dak still didn’t figure it out. And unlike Mahomes, Dak had a top flight RG and OL forcing extra defenders into the box, meaning defenses played so much man and blitzing, because they never were threatened by Dak.

Like I said, Dak has always sucked against zone. So it’s obvious that a QB would struggle passing when defenses dedicate more resources, but struggling for Mahomes and adjusting is still not equivalent to Dak completely sucking.

 

[noshame]

I wish, but line Romo, Jerry will always let him start with no threat of losing his job.

The difference is there will be discontent on the offense if he can't get the ball to the receivers and Rush can

there will be a mutiny

 

[Jayinem]

Last year the Dallas Cowboys and Dak sort of reminded me of my alma mater Texas Tech.

Put up crazy numbers on offense but then when we play a really good team we lay an egg, this is something I've seen Tech do for 20 years. Cowboys were #1 in offense then we play the 49ers in the playoffs and can only manage 17 points at home. Dak threw for a decent amount of yards 254 but only 1 TD and 1 INT. Including the playoffs the Cowboys won only 1 game where we rushed for under 100 yards last year and it was the game Dak was hurt and Rush played, yep.

This year Bucs are looking like the best defense in the league and Dak can only manage 3 points before he gets hurt and that was the end of the game. Great QBs are supposed to beat great defenses if they can't what good are they?

Now Amari's gone and Dak has no rapport with CeeDee to boot. I would stay with Rush but we'll get Dak again and Rush will leave after this season.

 

[Slick]

The difference is there will be discontent on the offense if he can't get the ball to the receivers and Rush can

there will be a mutiny

I always said it about Romo or Dak, when you have no competition, where's the need to improve?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke...

Coop's fundamentals are solid. Makes the reads, delivers the football, and plays within himself. I expect him to beat the Commies next week. He's one blowout loss from Philly away from ending this entire conversation though. It happens with hot backups all the time.

A good showing from Dak, and I feel we could smack Philly back down to earth. I don't know if Rush could handle that type of game yet.

Almost everyone thought he would NEVER handle what he already has.

 

[Shane612]

He does nothing better.
Rush looks just as good, if not better.
Last night the cowboys actually looked like they wanted to win in the worst way. Cowboys play better with Rush at QB....at least for two games, so far.
If Rush can keep turnovers low and keep making good decisions, he'll be fine.

 

[CWR]

Again, no we are comparing Dak to Mahomes and no they did not. Again, in 2020, Mahomes was the second least blitzed QB in the league. Defenses always respected his arm, while last year with Dak, they simply went from one of the top most blitzed teams, to 22nd the last 8 games and Dak still didn’t figure it out. And unlike Mahomes, Dak had a top flight RG and OL forcing extra defenders into the box, meaning defenses played so much man and blitzing, because they never were threatened by Dak. And like I said, Dak has always sucked against zone.

Last year was 2021. I'm literally posting an article detailing my point.

I'm not comparing the quality of player. My comparison is based on adjustments to zone defenses.

 

[Slick]

Yes, they absolutely did and KC adjusted well.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article255018537.html

No one is talking about the last several seasons where Dak played well. We are talking about post Denver. This is the challenge he has to overcome. KM has done well with Rush. Keep the same game plan and see what Dak can do.

"You guys" and your hatred prevents any rational conversation.

So Moore forces Dak into poor decisions?

 

[Shane612]

Coop is much more calm. He is also much better at reading a defense. Dak has a little more zing on his throw but Coop throws a pretty deep ball. Dak is better but it's much closer then most realize. What am i saying I have no idea what Dak actually does better.

That's the perception I had.
He sees the field better. Maybe even throws a better deep ball, but we need to see more.