No news is good news - Randy Gregory?

[boysfanindc]

so let me get this straight...the theory here is he was slowing down, so he "smoked weed" to get an edge back?

you ever smoke weed or just see "addicted" heads?

Psychiatric drugs can make you feel slow all the time because of how they work on the body, I think the point was Pot will give you temporary relief but won't necessarily effect you when you have to perform as the effects are temporary relative to when you smoke it.

I in no way am make excuses for Gregory, just trying to understand the thought process.

 

[Iron_Man]

Let me put this disclaimer at the start of this - I don't want this to turn into a bash Gregory thread, that is not my intent at all. Simply put, I'm curious if any of the Dallas residents/local media ever have any news/stories on Randy ?
I've been thinking about it for awhile and looked through the Roster Zone, News Feed etc. Now, obviously his upcoming suspension probably has a lot to do with it, but for a high profile pick at one of our premium positions - its awfully quiet when it comes to any news about him.
He is listed at 6'5" - 245 lbs. I'm curiously awaiting the first mini-camp, think its May 24th or so, to see if he has rebuilt himself. We see the pics of Chaz Green (same draft), read stories about Byron Jones, Barry Church etc. Even Lawrence gets mentions a lot about fighting his suspension. But I don't see Gregory anywhere ?
I'm hopeful with Hardy gone - who seemed to be a bad locker room influence, With Collins, his college teammate now in the fold. That Gregory can put his past behind him and live up to his potential. That first mini camp will tell us a lot about what he has been doing this off season.
Do I trust him ? No, do I hope this latest suspension/ loss of money is his wake up call ? Most definitely.
I always read how that first off-season is the biggest leap, change players make. It just seems very quiet on any news etc. in this regard.
If the local Dallas news picks up more then what we out of stators hear or see - help a brother out !

Somewhere I read 4 games may be only the start. I believe I read it about 2 months ago... I did not pass it along because I did not recognize the source.. It could be something, it might not as well.
Myself - when the Nebraska staff stops testing him because they know he will fail, I do not seeing it changing in Dallas for him either unfortunately. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Doomsday101]

Doomsday I know you may roast me for this and it may be do to me being young but I don't understand How the league is ok with these players taking opioids like Vicodin ,Oxy , Percocet for quote on quote pain but marijuana even if it was medical is illegal

All I can tell you is it is the rules and players know them. it is not a matter of who agrees with it or who doesn't. If you fail a drug test you will be suspended after the 4th time. In doing so players like Gregory lets the team down.

 

[Doomsday101]

He has let down more than teammates.

Your right but frankly letting down the teammates and the Cowboys which pay him to produce in the NFL that is all that matters. Not trying to be cold hearted but he is a paid professional and I expect him and others to start acting like it.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think people are really discounting his mental problems. A very typical reaction to social anxiety disorder (which is what he has rather than bipolar) is to use drugs to feel better. Marijuana is very effective for some people in that manner.

Dude has a mental illness. He's not getting high to party. He is getting high to cope with his problems.

I honestly think the organization did not put the right kind of supports in place here. They likely treated this as a "dude likes to party" situation when it is a "dude needs mental health services" type of deal.

I don't know what support was offered but I do know if he continues as is he does the Cowboys no good sitting out 4 games then what 8 games then a season? He has to get it together and find an alternative for his anxiety issues. As I have said in other post I'm not trying to be cold only dealing with the reality of the NFL players who are constantly missing or getting suspended is nothing more than a waste of a roster spot if he can't get it together then the Cowboys need to move on and find someone who can do the job.

 

[iceberg]

All I can tell you is it is the rules and players know them. it is not a matter of who agrees with it or who doesn't. If you fail a drug test you will be suspended after the 4th time. In doing so players like Gregory lets the team down.

yep. i don't view it as addictive but that's not the point. the point is if you agree to NOT do it while employed by any company, don't.

 

[speedkilz88]

One more failed test is a season.

 

[Doomsday101]

yep. i don't view it as addictive but that's not the point. the point is if you agree to NOT do it while employed by any company, don't.

I agree. I like the guy and I want nothing more than him to go out and play ball and make an impact on this team but you can't do that when you can't even pass a simple drug test. NFL career is short lived you have to make the most of it. If it were my call to make this would be his last chance another suspension and I would cut him loose.

 

[TheCount]

yep. i don't view it as addictive but that's not the point. the point is if you agree to NOT do it while employed by any company, don't.

Anything can be addictive, even weed. There are people that are addicted to all sorts of weird things.

That's what makes keeping a promise to not do it difficult for some.

I think failing 4 tests after failing just about every other drug test you've ever had, is a clear sign that he's an addict.

 

[iceberg]

Anything can be addictive, even weed. There are people that are addicted to all sorts of weird things.

That's what makes keeping a promise to not do it difficult for some.

I think failing 4 tests after failing just about every other drug test you've ever had, is a clear sign that he's an addict.

i think it's more he's stupid and can't figure out how to get past these tests. stepnoski admitted he smoked weed his entire career, he was just smart about it. you can view it as an addict if you like, i view him as stupid.

 

[Mountaineerfan]

so let me get this straight...the theory here is he was slowing down, so he "smoked weed" to get an edge back?

you ever smoke weed or just see "addicted" heads?

Psychiatric drugs can make you feel slow all the time because of how they work on the body, I think the point was Pot will give you temporary relief but won't necessarily effect you when you have to perform as the effects are temporary relative to when you smoke it.

I in no way am make excuses for Gregory, just trying to understand the thought process.

This is exactly the thought behind my reasoning. Not knowing his mental health problems if any. There is several diagnoses that require drugs that make the person feel like they are moving in slow motion or are tired all the time. Even if the person is super productive in life in general it is not that manic state that makes them feel like they are on top of the world. People have really high, highs and really low, lows. I have dealt with thousands of IVC paperwork and the overwhelming number of people that go off medication is because it slows them down so they go off the medicine and self medicate with drugs and/or alcohol. They believe that manic state is how they get their edge. So while pot might slow you down temporarily prescription medication takes 2-3 weeks to leave the body.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Broaddus was also insinuating he doesn't look very different. I don't pretend to be always right cause I'm not but I hated the Gregory pick. Demons or party problem, either or, you don't spend a second on a guy like that who is so bad he smokes before the combine knowing he'll be tested

Von Miller had his demons as well. He has a problem and is getting help. Whether it was a wasted pick or not is too early to tell. But you can't ignore that value at that point in the draft.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

i think it's more he's stupid and can't figure out how to get past these tests. stepnoski admitted he smoked weed his entire career, he was just smart about it. you can view it as an addict if you like, i view him as stupid.

Lol...... Stepnoski came from a whole different era.... Probably was allowed to bring his own pee to tests.....

 

[DeaconMoss]

But I don't see Gregory anywhere ?

Layed up in the cut with his boy Collins, sipping on Gin and Juice

 

[JD_KaPow]

"Randy had the highest we have on record SAT scores that we have signed." - Jerry Jones

Jerry misspoke. He meant to say, "Randy was the highest when he took the SAT that we have signed."

 

[iceberg]

Layed up in the cut with his boy Collins, sipping on Gin and Juice

highly doubtful.

 

[erod]

You can't make a guy love football.

He doesn't. It's just fast money to him.

 

[erod]

Lol...... Stepnoski came from a whole different era.... Probably was allowed to bring his own pee to tests.....

Have you seen Stepnoski lately?

Look at his legs. Wow.

 

[HellCrowe]

It is an addiction and if you are perfect and haven't had one or don't know anyone who has, then I don't think you can just spout nonsense. All you can hope for us is that his will power is strong enough to go through sometime without the feeling of needing it to make it a habit.

We can surround him with security, counseling, rehabilitate him, but in the end it'll be up to him to get through it. However in saying that, when you mix in psychological facets and needing an outlet, then it becomes a whole different story.

The guy seems like a good person. Some want to punish him like a well known ex-TE of the Patriots. However, in the end his situation really could be his own undoing. I am pulling for him but the reality is he has an addiction and I'm hoping he can get through it.

 

[iceberg]

It is an addiction and if you are perfect and haven't had one or don't know anyone who has, then I don't think you can just spout nonsense. All you can hope for us is that his will power is strong enough to go through sometime without the feeling of needing it to make it a habit.

We can surround him with security, counseling, rehabilitate him, but in the end it'll be up to him to get through it. However in saying that, when you mix in psychological facets and needing an outlet, then it becomes a whole different story.

The guy seems like a good person. Some want to punish him like a well known ex-TE of the Patriots. However, in the end his situation really could be his own undoing. I am pulling for him but the reality is he has an addiction and I'm hoping he can get through it.

um...ok. yea, sorry. i didn't realize blind blanket revelations of potential peoples personal problems (pppp for short) was necessary to be able to comment.