CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[RonnieT24]

Just win games. Worry about stats later.

I just hope he makes big plays when needed and when the opportunity arises.

I think it's possible to acknowledge stats without actually "worrying about stats." The point blue made was that if you pound TP for 20+ carries on a regular basis he absolutely will not hold up. But not only that but the beating he takes will take the juice out of his legs and we will lose the explosive plays he provides. As long as the Cowboys are kicking the crap out of teams there is going to be 40+ carries to divvy up among the backs. As fans of the Cowboys we should NOT want Tony Pollard to have over 20 of those on a regular basis. 15-18 for TP, 10-12 for Rico.. 8-10 for everybody else. Hell give it to the big fullback to close out games.

 

[starfan1]

Popeye the sailor man

thats right

 

[Whirlwin]

He needs someone to bang the football in front of him. He’s not carrying the team. Right now our three running backs are on the same caliber. In my opinion they need to take the ball in the second half to after the defense is worn down.

 

[Whirlwin]

He needs someone to bang the football in front of him. He’s not carrying the team. Right now our three running backs are on the same caliber. In my opinion they need to take the ball in the second half to after the defense is one down

 

[Whirlwin]

I like tony. I had/have concerns about injury and "new role".
At first i thought he had a pretty blase jets game. When i reviewed the stats....not terrible.
With tony.....we're gonna have to live with several 2-3 yard plays and hope we capitalize on his 2-3 explosive ones....as in keep the drive alive and score. We cant waste them.

That’s about as good as an assessment ,is right now you that he can get

 

[Whirlwin]

Something does look off when Dowdle looks more explosive and Pollard averaged 2.9 yards per carry.

That was too many carries for him.

That’s because he’s doing with Tony Pollard did last year the rule reversed

 

[BrassCowboy]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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Well it's obvious that alot of this post has more to do with your angst for what you perceive as undue criticism from fans of Zeke so I don't blame you for this post and your point is correct to a point, but not entirely.
First things first, Zeke's time here was ended for valid reason. He was no longer able to produce what you would expect a #1 RB getting paid like an NFL #1 RB to produce.
Was it his fault necessarily? No, he is aging and what he is asked to do year in and year out has taken out of him the ability to produce what say a 20 yr old can do, but you don't hang on just because he has been there in the past. This team has had a real bad habit for many years of hanging on the players due to loyalty but would be let go in any other case, as they should be.
As far as Pollard goes and in fact the question of should there ever be one guy to handle the entire load of running the ball, I hear you and I would say rather than defending Zeke and questioning the abilities of Pollard to be 'The Guy's, I would question the logic of putting the entire RB load on one guy in the first place. First of all, I would never not go with running by committee again. Howany RBs who are used almost exclusively for the running game do you know produce for more than a handful of years at a high level? Then you factor in that they want to cash in at a very high price for what they do in their best years (first few years).
They are constantly being smashed into the ground and it wears on them physically, unavoidable so IMO teams need to do a more RB by committee approach..... If Pollard wants #1 in league type money, then release him too if need be.

 

[Cowboyny]

We played two good fronts along with Tyler Smith yet to play. Have some patience, run game should improve.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I think it's possible to acknowledge stats without actually "worrying about stats." The point blue made was that if you pound TP for 20+ carries on a regular basis he absolutely will not hold up. But not only that but the beating he takes will take the juice out of his legs and we will lose the explosive plays he provides. As long as the Cowboys are kicking the crap out of teams there is going to be 40+ carries to divvy up among the backs. As fans of the Cowboys we should NOT want Tony Pollard to have over 20 of those on a regular basis. 15-18 for TP, 10-12 for Rico.. 8-10 for everybody else. Hell give it to the big fullback to close out games.

Exactly. Run by committee be cause no one stands up to 20+ carries day in and day out without that wearing on them physically, as proven by Zeke and most others RBs to date

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

That’s because he’s doing with Tony Pollard did last year the rule reversed

Exactly...and all the other #2 weve had with obscene numbers. Its how it works.

 

[T-RO]

The TEAM ruined him.

Sure thing, bro.

 

[Nexx]

That many touches in a game like that seemed really stupid, especially since the ground game wasn't really effective anyway

It was effective enough to help keep time of possession to almost double the Jets. That was one of the Kellen Moore's biggest issues is your train of thought.

 

[T-RO]

I researched it and only 2 or 3 backs in the NFL averaged more than 20 carries a season last year. Outside of those two or three....there are no "Bell backs" like the league used to have. All the teams do it by committee.

I was upset Pollard had 25 carries + heavy receiving load Sunday as there was absolutely no need for it. He should get 12-17 carries a game.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

It was effective enough to help keep time of possession to almost double the Jets. That was one of the Kellen Moore's biggest issues is your train of thought.

TOP a) doesn't matter and b) was more a reflection of how the defense was playing.

 

[CooterBrown]

Define effective. I'd say chewing up 42 minutes of time of possession and scoring on 80% of drives is indeed effective.

We ran 44 times, we didn't need 200 yards rushing, just chew clock up and convert 3rd downs, which we did 50% of the time.

Well it's obvious that alot of this post has more to do with your angst for what you perceive as undue criticism from fans of Zeke so I don't blame you for this post and your point is correct to a point, but not entirely.
First things first, Zeke's time here was ended for valid reason. He was no longer able to produce what you would expect a #1 RB getting paid like an NFL #1 RB to produce.
Was it his fault necessarily? No, he is aging and what he is asked to do year in and year out has taken out of him the ability to produce what say a 20 yr old can do, but you don't hang on just because he has been there in the past. This team has had a real bad habit for many years of hanging on the players due to loyalty but would be let go in any other case, as they should be.
As far as Pollard goes and in fact the question of should there ever be one guy to handle the entire load of running the ball, I hear you and I would say rather than defending Zeke and questioning the abilities of Pollard to be 'The Guy's, I would question the logic of putting the entire RB load on one guy in the first place. First of all, I would never not go with running by committee again. Howany RBs who are used almost exclusively for the running game do you know produce for more than a handful of years at a high level? Then you factor in that they want to cash in at a very high price for what they do in their best years (first few years).
They are constantly being smashed into the ground and it wears on them physically, unavoidable so IMO teams need to do a more RB by committee approach..... If Pollard wants #1 in league type money, then release him too if need be.

I think you got it right. This is no longer a “star running back league”.
Zeke had the misfortune of coming into the league when Garrett was the head coach. When Garrett was back-up QB, he watched Emmit carry the load and thought Zeke was his Emmit. But the league had changed and is not likely to ever go back to the “star” RB style of play. MM realizes that and RBs in his offense are a dime a dozen. If he wears out one, he will just plug in another. Can anybody name a star RB that MM had in Green Bay? One year he had a wide receiver as his starting RB. Offenses these days are all about the QB and the WRs. The offense we saw in the first two games is indicative of the new system. “Stay out of their way” is how MM describes his offensive philosophy when he has a great defense. Zeke vs TP is an interesting discussion, but I don’t think we’d see any difference on the field either way. And because of the change in philosophy, comparing previous year’s stats to current stats will lead to flawed deductions.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Sure thing, bro.

So you think we didnt over use him...mis use him...play him hurt....and make him hike the fricken ball on an idiotic play. As if emmitt would do that or even ask him too?


Not yer bro....bro . take this back.

 

[Mr_437]

Zeke is so far in the rear view mirror I wonder what's wrong with some of you bringing him up in a serious manner...like he can still play at a level to be discussed with Pollard. It's over.

I like the RB committee and would even like to mix in some carries for Luepke too as a single RB. Play your guys keep em fresh and attack the defense. Pollard is playing well and is officially a threat receiving.

 

[T-RO]

So you think we didnt over use him...mis use him...play him hurt....and make him hike the fricken ball on an idiotic play. As if emmitt would do that or even ask him too?


Not yer bro....bro . take this back.

Zeke never played when he didn't want to play. Never played when he was too injured to play. He's never claimed either. He tapped out when he was tired, as is appropriate.

If you don't want to be a bro who who happens to disagree...it again shows you are in so deep with crazy overly emotional connection to Zeke. You can't see straight.

 

[kskboys]

My god the crying for a bruising RB is comical around here. Pollard is 210 pounds and plenty capable of inside runs. Same weight as a guy like Aaron Jones. Yet people make it sound like he weighs 170. lol

Polly doesn't do well on inside runs. Which is OK, as he is an outside runner.

 

[kskboys]

having an offensive line that opens up holes is what gets you the yards.Zeke isnt exlusive to success in that role. I loved Emmitt ,I loved tony D and I root for all cowboys RB

And then you get to the playoffs where those holes are often not there. Now what?