CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[Mac_MaloneV1]

why?? What is the mechanism that is draining explosiveness? Conditioning, durability?

Everyone says this like its some kind of confirmed fact.

I don't think it is in the short term, but it always seems to be in the long term.

400 touches and then off a cliff lol

 

[jazzcat22]

Define effective. I'd say chewing up 42 minutes of time of possession and scoring on 80% of drives is indeed effective.

We ran 44 times, we didn't need 200 yards rushing, just chew clock up and convert 3rd downs, which we did 50% of the time.

42 minutes TOP, that Jets defense should have been worn down, and he should have been popping long runs.

 

[jazzcat22]

25 carries or 15 carries. 2.9 YPC does not cut it. He had a 23 yard long run. Otherwise he was at 2 YPC. Yeah someone will say don't take out the long run, it still counts.
Still 2.9 is not good enough.

Yes, it was his 1st 2 games since his injury. Offense still getting in sync. So lets see how the next few games goes.
I know some will be saying ... I told you so ... when he goes for over 100 against a bad Cardinals team. Others will say, well it was a bad Cardinals team....

Anyway, I hope he goes for over 100 yards, even on 20 carries. 5.0 pretty good if he does.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The pounding of 25 carries a game, especially on a medium sized back that depends on speed and quickness. It doesn't matter when you play Madden, but it takes a toll in real football. It's not that hard to understand.

Youd think after what we did to zeke theyd understand the concept.

 

[Proof]

It depends on how you define productive.
Ultra Dak Crusaders roasted cooper last year for his underwhelming stats...it was the defense that won.
I think we're seeing much the same thing here.

well yeah. the point is that it's by design not (depending on who you ask) limitation. When the time comes Dak can open it up, Cooper can not.

 

[starfan1]

I thought i made clear i pick cherries OUT with extreme caution...every play matters. Big plays can matter and we rely on tony doing that a couple times a game. Hes just gonna have a lot of 2-3 yard plays too.
I agree with everything you said....especially a coach that commits to a proper nfl run game.

you did make it clear. i just expanded on your clarity

 

[Ranching]

Youd think after what we did to zeke theyd understand the concept.

Exactly, if a big back like Zeke can't survive the pounding, much less a smaller back.

 

[jazzcat22]

Youd think after what we did to zeke theyd understand the concept.

Maybe they already determined they will let him walk in FA in 2024 and draft a RB. So they will use him and ride him for the season. All the way to the SB.
Joking of course ... mostly ....as they learned no huge RB contracts. That they learned, I hope.

 

[starfan1]

It depends on how you define productive.
Ultra Dak Crusaders roasted cooper last year for his underwhelming stats...it was the defense that won.
I think we're seeing much the same thing here.

and you wonder why at times you get lumped in unfairly with the haters. Exhibit 101

 

[johneric8]

How is the offense overall better without him if he's not played in it? So there is a debate because now you're trying to say he couldn't be doing this right now in this offense sharing the load with three other running backs instead of him being the guy all the time on short yardage go lying and doing all The Dirty work inside that's my whole entire point and premise to start this it's guys like you that statement was unnecessary..$10 million one carry for 25 yards 24 carries for 50 yards you say that that's effective that that was Elliot you'd be criticizing him right now... But thanks this is the post I needed you are the guy you are part of that fan base that you think that Elliot couldn't have done this in this system but you have not seen him in it..Nice!! LOL

What I'm saying is Zeke was making way too much coin because he is washed up and providing less than what 90% of most backs in the league could provide at a fraction of the cost.. We scored 70 points because of field position, field goals, touchdowns with a new system that is reliant on fresh backs that can do wonders in space. We both know Zeke really doesn't provide that anymore. I like Zeke but we got better the day he was released, so this is why I'm saying where is the debate in this? Pollard is way better at this point and he is also grading out better with his blocking in which Zeke excelled.. To my eyes, Lupeke and Dowdle together improve our run game and system effectiveness..

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

well yeah. the point is that it's by design not (depending on who you ask) limitation. When the time comes Dak can open it up, Cooper can not.

The offense was also absolutely terrible under Rush.

It's a stupid point to make lol

 

[Denim Chicken]

The pounding of 25 carries a game, especially on a medium sized back that depends on speed and quickness. It doesn't matter when you play Madden, but it takes a toll in real football. It's not that hard to understand.

I guess my problem is all the other explosive backs in the league who get fed and keep being explosive. I guess the rule only applies to Pollard.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Youd think after what we did to zeke theyd understand the concept.

Would you think? How many carrier does Zeke have vs Pollard. I dont care about after this year.

 

[SackMaster]

At this point, I'm not too worried. Given the first two games were not exactly "offensive friendly", weather and opposing D, Pollard is currently 2nd on the Team in Yards from Scrimmage, behind only Lamb. If that remains, that will match 2022 when Lamb was #1 and Pollard was #2, and no one complain about Pollard last year.

Will Pollard wear down? Maybe. But IMO, if that does happen, that is a coaching issue, not a player issue. We overused Zeke early in his career and he inevitably broke down. The human body can only take so much punishment.

Now if the plan is not to bring Pollard back, then we can DeMarco Murrphy him and let him walk. If we plan on keeping him around, just try not to break him this year and spread the punishment around.

JMHO

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Would you think? How many carrier does Zeke have vs Pollard. I dont care about after this year.

Not sure exactly what you are asking. My point was not really zeke vs pollard.

It was about using up zeke especially early in his career, which...imo...contributed to a seemingly quick decline. Along wiht playing him while injured.

Cowboys ruined him...and got nothing for it. Except a big payroll debit.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

and you wonder why at times you get lumped in unfairly with the haters. Exhibit 101

So...you are saying cooper didn't get criticized for his noodle arm and poor QB stats while going 5-1 with defense playing "lights out"?

I do..I saw it being done. So you disagree about it? Missed it maybe? SO what? How does that make me a dak hater?
Does not compute

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Maybe they already determined they will let him walk in FA in 2024 and draft a RB. So they will use him and ride him for the season. All the way to the SB.
Joking of course ... mostly ....as they learned no huge RB contracts. That they learned, I hope.

I was talking about the fans that need an explanation about how over-use can wear down athletes.

I see nothing wrong with the possible plan you outlined.

 

[starfan1]

So...you are saying cooper didn't get criticized for his noodle arm and poor QB stats while going 5-1 with defense playing "lights out"?

I do..I saw it being done. So you disagree about it? Missed it maybe? SO what? How does that make me a dak hater?
Does not compute

has nothing to do with Rush and what he did or the defense did. has to do with you and your lingo and who you tend to sound like. first 3 words of what i highlighted. Im just telling you that you get salty wll maybe salty isnt the word. You question why you get lumped in and Im telling you why.

You can do you but when you say it like that and you can be seen liking their posts as frequently as you are thats why you get lumped in.

Fairly or Not.

 

[blueblood70]

What I'm saying is Zeke was making way too much coin because he is washed up and providing less than what 90% of most backs in the league could provide at a fraction of the cost.. We scored 70 points because of field position, field goals, touchdowns with a new system that is reliant on fresh backs that can do wonders in space. We both know Zeke really doesn't provide that anymore. I like Zeke but we got better the day he was released, so this is why I'm saying where is the debate in this? Pollard is way better at this point and he is also grading out better with his blocking in which Zeke excelled.. To my eyes, Lupeke and Dowdle together improve our run game and system effectiveness..

I almost agreed with you till I saw the word way better and I just posted why he's not way better for $10 million he also makes the coin that output 3 yards per carry and that was puffed up because of 125 yard run again is making my point for me but thank you guys for making my point... Tony Pollard is not way better than zeke when zeke was healthy he started both the last two seasons off just like that five yards of carry he was at like 4.8 yards per carry until he got injured... Yes it was time to release him but then to go pay a guy $10 million to not be better he's not way better 3 yards per carry is not way better...

 

[Denim Chicken]

Not sure exactly what you are asking. My point was not really zeke vs pollard.

It was about using up zeke especially early in his career, which...imo...contributed to a seemingly quick decline. Along wiht playing him while injured.

Cowboys ruined him...and got nothing for it. Except a big payroll debit.

Nobody is talking about that. we're talking about Pollard's usage this year. We're not re-singing him.