No real fan will use the refs as an excuse...

[juck]

GB season was on the line and the NFL home office seems to have sent a clear message to the refs. Make sure GB wins...the officials were terrible in this game....reminded me of the Pittsburgh vs Seattle superbowl where all the calls were obviously against one team.

Games like this make me think the league is fixed.

Dude its a big money sport.Of course its fixed.

 

[iceberg]

GB season was on the line and the NFL home office seems to have sent a clear message to the refs. Make sure GB wins...the officials were terrible in this game....reminded me of the Pittsburgh vs Seattle superbowl where all the calls were obviously against one team.

Games like this make me think the league is fixed.

Dude its a big money sport.Of course its fixed.

many years ago a lawyer i hired to help me LLC my business / hobby properly and i were talking at my office, and he was about to head out the door to go drop something off. the lady working with me at the time asked him to tell me what it was.

it was basically the script for the upcoming cowboys games in the NFL.

believe it or not, that's what i was told.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dude its a big money sport.Of course its fixed.

If it is fixed then why would you watch it? Bad calls in sports have taken place since sports has been around it is call human error just as players make mistakes so do the people who call the games.

Personally if I really felt games were fixed I would not watch it which is why I don't watch things like WWF or even Pro Boxing

 

[Disturbed]

Dude its a big money sport.Of course its fixed.

Okay, so I should have known....

Also reminds me of the NBA ref (the one who went to jail) who wrote the book about how the refs influenced or fixed games. Very interesting. Anyway, it looks like that goes on in all sports -- sad really.

 

[DallasEast]

Another horrible call, but it would not have mattered. Too little too late. We did not change up on offense. We did not adjust. There are many things we could have done throughout the game but we didn't. The better prepared and better motivated team won yesterday. If we had taken advantage of all the penalties and mistakes GB racked up none of this discussion would matter.

The reason for why it is a horrible call is the very same justification for continuing to question it--regardless of the game's outcome.

 

[JBond]

Exactly, and in knowing this, JUST COVER YOUR GUY!. They need 23 yrds not 3 yrds. Jenkins hand was on the guys facemask,period. It's going to get called.


Why when a team needs 5 yrds, our guys play 15 yrds off the guy, yet, when the opposing team needs 23 yrds on THIRD DOWN, they are playing close?

Huh?

Logic just eludes some. I am an admitted Cowboy rose colored glasses guy, but I can admit we just got beat yesterday. We were out coached and out played. If we had out played and out coached them, we would have won. The refs are a convenient excuse that frustrated fans want to focus on. I get that. Yes they did a poor job, but it would not have mattered if we had played and coached up to our potential. I will be very disappointed if a single member of the Cowboys says a word about the refs.

 

[aikemirv]

Logic just eludes some. I am an admitted Cowboy rose colored glasses guy, but I can admit we just got beat yesterday. We were out coached and out played. If we had out played and out coached them, we would have won. The refs are a convenient excuse that frustrated fans want to focus on. I get that. Yes they did a poor job, but it would not have mattered if we had played and coached up to our potential. I will be very disappointed if a single member of the Cowboys says a word about the refs.

Nobody is saying the Cowboys got beat by the refs, Everyone knows they played lousy and if they had played their game they would have won.

That does not mean that I cannot complain about two very WRONG calls that were royally screwed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JBond]

many years ago a lawyer i hired to help me LLC my business / hobby properly and i were talking at my office, and he was about to head out the door to go drop something off. the lady working with me at the time asked him to tell me what it was.

it was basically the script for the upcoming cowboys games in the NFL.

believe it or not, that's what i was told.

get in touch with that guy so we can edit the current copy.

 

[juck]

If it is fixed then why would you watch it? Bad calls in sports have taken place since sports has been around it is call human error just as players make mistakes so do the people who call the games.

Personally if I really felt games were fixed I would not watch it which is why I don't watch things like WWF or even Pro Boxing

Good Question.I am a moron I guess. Because the NFL,NBA,NHL,and even MLB is fixed.Wait College too now,cause Florida has had many games this year that were shady.They even banned the ref crew a week after that arkansas game. Money talks. We are all fools to believe in this. New Orleans needs money to rebuild after a catastophy and all of a sudden they have been good? This is the Aints we are talking about. Owners dont care cause they are making money.Jerry included.Winning a ring is just a minor consolation prize and a parade for the fans.We keep spending money on merchansdise and tickets like suckers.Vegas knows who will be in there at the end.They dont need a team they have them all!!

 

[JBond]

Good Question.I am a moron I guess. Because the NFL,NBA,NHL,and even MLB is fixed.Wait College too now,cause Florida has had many games this year that were shady.They even banned the ref crew a week after that arkansas game. Money talks. We are all fools to believe in this. New Orleans needs money to rebuild after a catastophy and all of a sudden they have been good? This is the Aints we are talking about. Owners dont care cause they are making money.Jerry included.Winning a ring is just a minor consolation prize and a parade for the fans.We keep spending money on merchansdise and tickets like suckers.Vegas knows who will be in there at the end.They dont need a team they have them all!!

That is really depressing.

 

[aikemirv]

I don't believe any of this fixed stuff.

That said, and I mean this honestly. You either hate the Cowboys or you Love them - It is pretty universal. I don't care how unbiased I tried to be I don't think I could referee a game for the teams I hate - Giants, Commanders, Eagles without that hate getting in the way of whether a hold (that had no effect on the play - that happens on every down in the NFL) would be called or not.

It would be tough and I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that the refs can be trusted that it does not effect the way they call games.

 

[Disturbed]

I don't believe any of this fixed stuff.

That said, and I mean this honestly. You either hate the Cowboys or you Love them - It is pretty universal. I don't care how unbiased I tried to be I don't think I could referee a game for the teams I hate - Giants, Commanders, Eagles without that hate getting in the way of whether a hold (that had no effect on the play - that happens on every down in the NFL) would be called or not.

It would be tough and I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that the refs can be trusted that it does not effect the way they call games.

You should read the excerpts from the NBA ref who went to jail for betting on games. He admits in his book how they influence and fix games to ensure the outcome. I have to think this also happens in the NFL. And after the game yesterday, I am 100% certain of it.

 

[aikemirv]

You should read the excerpts from the NBA ref who went to jail for betting on games. He admits in his book how they influence and fix games to ensure the outcome. I have to think this also happens in the NFL. And after the game yesterday, I am 100% certain of it.

Well, I don't want to believe that. I will choose not too or I might as well find something else to do with my Sunday afternoons!

 

[ShiningStar]

Well, I don't want to believe that. I will choose not too or I might as well find something else to do with my Sunday afternoons!

so we'll ignore facts? I mean really? You wont believe a guy whos going to jail and admitting what he done? What do you think hes going to prison for than?

 

[juck]

We're about to tred into truly politically incorrect waters. You won't hear any sports "journalist" theorize about this; nor any of the yahooies and yuppies who pay exhorbitant amounts of money to wave inane signs, bare their chests in freezing weather, and turn to fisticuffs when "their" team is challenged; so we'll say it for them: NFL games are fixed. Because we aren't part of the fix, and thus can't know specifically how the outcomes of games are determined in advance, we will concentrate on the most notable participants in the fix- the game officials. NFL officials are part-timers who enjoy lucrative full-time careers in other fields.
They are the most incompetent bunch imaginable; blowing call after crucial call, determining the outcome of games with a drop of their precious yellow flags, while the league grants them immunity from all criticism. Their performance over the years should have earned them the wrath of all "journalists" and "analysts" who cover NFL contests, but invariably it will be determined, during the "analysis" of various games, that the officials do a "good job" and are "actually right 99% of the time." NFL officials utilize two primary penalites which they enforce at their discretion to control the ebb and flow of each game. All "journalists" and ex- players will admit that "holding could be called on every play," and yet they never question why it is called at specific times and not at others. Pass interference is the other favorite of all officials; cited, on a wildly inconsistent basis, at important points in each contest to benefit one team and handicap the other. Like holding, there is no set standard for a pass interference infraction, with terms like "incidental contact" and speculation about whether the ball was "catchable" bandied about to keep the moronic masses distracted. Back in the 1960's, ex-Cleveland Brown defensive back Bernie Parrish wrote an excellent book entitled "They Call It A Game." In the book, he matter of factly stated, without any elaboration, that he personally had participated in many fixed games during his NFL career. He also made some interesting observations about how NFL executives purposely pick black players over white players in the high rounds of the draft, on the premise that they will be easier to negotiate with (i.e., not intelligent enough to demand more money). About a decade ago, ex-NFL defensive lineman-turned actor Bubba Smith publicly stated that Super Bowl III had been fixed. He mentioned how many times the Colts had driven down the field, only to bog down suspiciously. He brought back memories of one of the most curious plays ever; the flea- flicker call in which quarterback Earl Morrall held the ball for several seconds while a wide-open Jimmy Orr waved his arms in vain downfield. Smith's statments caused a brief furor, but it quickly subsided and no more mention was made of the subject. A few years back, NFL wide reciever Irving Fryar publicly admitted being part of an effort to throw the big college championship game between Nebraska and the University of Miami. His comments about being paid to throw a game did nothing to harm his image or his NFL career, and there was absolutely no critical examination of what he'd admitted to and what it meant to the integrity of at least that particular NCAA college football season. There have always been "chosen" teams: Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers in the 1960's (anyone recall Don Chandler's winning "field goal" over the Baltimore Colts, which clearly sailed wide of the uprights?); Miami, Dallas, Oakland and Pittsburgh in the 1970's; the 49ers and Commanders of the 1980s; Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys and the Broncos in the 1990's. Game commentators and other sports "journalists" will willingly admit that the better teams receive the "benefit of the doubt" from game officials. Think about that; how could that be true, if the games were honestly officiated? It's probably true that at least some players willingly participated in the "fix" during their careers, but really no player involvement is necessary. The game officials are perfectly capable, as they prove each week, of determining the outcome of each game themselves. When the NFL allowed Instant Replay several years ago, the extent of official corruption became evident very quickly. How many times did fans endure five minute delays while those in the replay booth deliberated on something any drunk fan could have accurately ruled on within fifteen seconds? In a few instances, bad calls were reversed, but all too often those in the replay booth proved just as unwilling to honestly officiate the games as those on the field. Now Instant Replay is back, in a ridiculous *******ized form, which is sure to fail and be discarded. The idea ought to be getting each call right in every instance, so that human error plays no part in the outcome of any contest. Unfortunately, the league devised a convoluted system whereby each coach has two "challenges" and if, as will undoubtedly happen, the replay officials still make the wrong call, they will be charged with a timeout. Needless to say, in such a system such challenges will not occur as often as they should. Take our advice and watch each game from the official's standpoint; if you can find any consistency in how the penalties are enforced, we'd love to have you document it and send it to us. Until then, cringe each time that yellow flags falls to the ground, because it plays a more important role in the festivities than the strategy of the coaches and the skill of the players.​

 

[Doomsday101]

Good Question.I am a moron I guess. Because the NFL,NBA,NHL,and even MLB is fixed.Wait College too now,cause Florida has had many games this year that were shady.They even banned the ref crew a week after that arkansas game. Money talks. We are all fools to believe in this. New Orleans needs money to rebuild after a catastophy and all of a sudden they have been good? This is the Aints we are talking about. Owners dont care cause they are making money.Jerry included.Winning a ring is just a minor consolation prize and a parade for the fans.We keep spending money on merchansdise and tickets like suckers.Vegas knows who will be in there at the end.They dont need a team they have them all!!

If that is how you feel so be it. I do think it is crazy (will not use your word Moron) to spend time or money watching events you know or feel that are rigged. NFL has everything to lose by having fixed game yet nothing to win by having them. over the years the NFL has came down hard on those who had any invlovement in gambling just because they don't want the integrity of the game to come into question same with MLB which was why they came down on the great Pete Rose or why the NFL fined Ochocinco 25K for something as dumb as his 1 dollar joke of a bride last week.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Had Dallas not fumbled the ball to begin it would not have been put into the hands of the refs. Refs did not give the ball to the Packers, Dallas did

that is such a pollyanna view of the world

We likely would have lost anyway but that bad call gave them seven points.

There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade, the Packers got the benefit of every important call all game. Yes they had more penalties than us but they weren't game changers like the calls against us.

 

[DallasEast]

We're about to tred into truly politically incorrect waters. You won't hear any sports "journalist" theorize about this; nor any of the yahooies and yuppies who pay exhorbitant amounts of money to wave inane signs, bare their chests in freezing weather, and turn to fisticuffs when "their" team is challenged; so we'll say it for them: NFL games are fixed. Because we aren't part of the fix, and thus can't know specifically how the outcomes of games are determined in advance, we will concentrate on the most notable participants in the fix- the game officials. NFL officials are part-timers who enjoy lucrative full-time careers in other fields.


They are the most incompetent bunch imaginable; blowing call after crucial call, determining the outcome of games with a drop of their precious yellow flags, while the league grants them immunity from all criticism. Their performance over the years should have earned them the wrath of all "journalists" and "analysts" who cover NFL contests, but invariably it will be determined, during the "analysis" of various games, that the officials do a "good job" and are "actually right 99% of the time." NFL officials utilize two primary penalites which they enforce at their discretion to control the ebb and flow of each game. All "journalists" and ex- players will admit that "holding could be called on every play," and yet they never question why it is called at specific times and not at others. Pass interference is the other favorite of all officials; cited, on a wildly inconsistent basis, at important points in each contest to benefit one team and handicap the other. Like holding, there is no set standard for a pass interference infraction, with terms like "incidental contact" and speculation about whether the ball was "catchable" bandied about to keep the moronic masses distracted. Back in the 1960's, ex-Cleveland Brown defensive back Bernie Parrish wrote an excellent book entitled "They Call It A Game." In the book, he matter of factly stated, without any elaboration, that he personally had participated in many fixed games during his NFL career. He also made some interesting observations about how NFL executives purposely pick black players over white players in the high rounds of the draft, on the premise that they will be easier to negotiate with (i.e., not intelligent enough to demand more money). About a decade ago, ex-NFL defensive lineman-turned actor Bubba Smith publicly stated that Super Bowl III had been fixed. He mentioned how many times the Colts had driven down the field, only to bog down suspiciously. He brought back memories of one of the most curious plays ever; the flea- flicker call in which quarterback Earl Morrall held the ball for several seconds while a wide-open Jimmy Orr waved his arms in vain downfield. Smith's statments caused a brief furor, but it quickly subsided and no more mention was made of the subject. A few years back, NFL wide reciever Irving Fryar publicly admitted being part of an effort to throw the big college championship game between Nebraska and the University of Miami. His comments about being paid to throw a game did nothing to harm his image or his NFL career, and there was absolutely no critical examination of what he'd admitted to and what it meant to the integrity of at least that particular NCAA college football season. There have always been "chosen" teams: Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers in the 1960's (anyone recall Don Chandler's winning "field goal" over the Baltimore Colts, which clearly sailed wide of the uprights?); Miami, Dallas, Oakland and Pittsburgh in the 1970's; the 49ers and Commanders of the 1980s; Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys and the Broncos in the 1990's. Game commentators and other sports "journalists" will willingly admit that the better teams receive the "benefit of the doubt" from game officials. Think about that; how could that be true, if the games were honestly officiated? It's probably true that at least some players willingly participated in the "fix" during their careers, but really no player involvement is necessary. The game officials are perfectly capable, as they prove each week, of determining the outcome of each game themselves. When the NFL allowed Instant Replay several years ago, the extent of official corruption became evident very quickly. How many times did fans endure five minute delays while those in the replay booth deliberated on something any drunk fan could have accurately ruled on within fifteen seconds? In a few instances, bad calls were reversed, but all too often those in the replay booth proved just as unwilling to honestly officiate the games as those on the field. Now Instant Replay is back, in a ridiculous *******ized form, which is sure to fail and be discarded. The idea ought to be getting each call right in every instance, so that human error plays no part in the outcome of any contest. Unfortunately, the league devised a convoluted system whereby each coach has two "challenges" and if, as will undoubtedly happen, the replay officials still make the wrong call, they will be charged with a timeout. Needless to say, in such a system such challenges will not occur as often as they should. Take our advice and watch each game from the official's standpoint; if you can find any consistency in how the penalties are enforced, we'd love to have you document it and send it to us. Until then, cringe each time that yellow flags falls to the ground, because it plays a more important role in the festivities than the strategy of the coaches and the skill of the players.​

AAAAGGGGGHHHH! You did it to me again!!!!11!!1!

 

[Doomsday101]

that is such a pollyanna view of the world

We likely would have lost anyway but that bad call gave them seven points.

There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade, the Packers got the benefit of every important call all game. Yes they had more penalties than us but they weren't game changers like the calls against us.

I don't disagree that it was a bad call I'm only stating that because of our own mistakes it put the play into question to begin with. I don't see anything pollyanna about saying it started with our own poor play and because of that it now is no longer in our hands but in the hands of the officals. In realtime the play looked close and had replay been allowed then chances of having it over turned would have been good but evidently replay was not allowed.

 

[CowboyMike]

I respectfully disagree... the zebras hurt us by making poor calls on two occasions that could have made the difference in the game. While I don't generally agree with BSPN, their article on this particular matter should be read as it makes sense.

Apologies if this has already been answered, but which article? I'd like to check it out.