Norm on KTCK 1310AM The Ticket: Roy Williams - cut him

[Jon88]

I've been as disappointed with the Roy trade as anyone, but if I understand correctly Roy is guaranteed a roster bonus (or some other name for it) of $9,000,000 to $9,500,000 (depending upon who you listen to).

It is my understanding that this is unavoidable and must be paid regardless of whether he's cut, etc.

This trade has been a freaking nightmare.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This trade has been a freaking nightmare.

Slight exaggeration..

It hasn't been on blockbuster level, but he's been productive.

The problem is people equate his production w/cost. He never would've lived up to what was given up for him nor his salary. He came in w/the deck stacked against him.

It hasn't helped that he hasn't played well enough or consistent enough to justify either when given chances.

From my perspective, as bad as Roy has played, there have been worst players on the team. He's pretty low in my ranking.

 

[Stash]

As Jerry and the Cowboys aren't hurting for money, I can't see this happening.

Next year?

If the results are as disappointing as this year's?

Then yeah, I say cut the cord and admit you got schnookered in the trade.

I definitely think that he should have to earn his spot and playing time however, no matter what they're paying him.

No point in compounding the issue by forcing him onto the field if his play doesn't warrant it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Cap is not an issue this year and I think it would be in Dallas best interest to give this trade every oppertunity they can to make it work. Easy to throw your hands up and walk away but I don't think it is in the teams best interest. I do think this is a make or break season for Williams

 

[DallasEast]

Slight exaggeration..

It hasn't been on blockbuster level, but he's been productive.

The problem is people equate his production w/cost. He never would've lived up to what was given up for him nor his salary. He came in w/the deck stacked against him.

It hasn't helped that he hasn't played well enough or consistent enough to justify either when given chances.

From my perspective, as bad as Roy has played, there have been worst players on the team. He's pretty low in my ranking.

BINGO!

 

[Jon88]

Slight exaggeration..

It hasn't been on blockbuster level, but he's been productive.

The problem is people equate his production w/cost. He never would've lived up to what was given up for him nor his salary. He came in w/the deck stacked against him.

It hasn't helped that he hasn't played well enough or consistent enough to justify either when given chances.

From my perspective, as bad as Roy has played, there have been worst players on the team. He's pretty low in my ranking.

I think its been a nightmare. We could get an UDFA to do the things he does, not to mention who we might have had with the picks we gave up. He holds the team back. He runs lazy routes and only catches the ball like 45% of the time if I remember that stat right. Then he blames other people. Can anything motivate this guy to do his freaking job? I would feel like total crap but he doesn't seem to care.

Irvin even tried to help him and he blew him off. He should have gotten punched in the mouth.

 

[DallasEast]

I think its been a nightmare. We could get an UDFA to do the things he does, not to mention who we might have had with the picks we gave up. He holds the team back. He runs lazy routes and only catches the ball like 45% of the time if I remember that stat right. Then he blames other people. Can anything motivate this guy to do his freaking job? I would feel like total crap but he doesn't seem to care.

So, in retrospect, Roy Williams prevented the 2009 Dallas Cowboys from: a) reaching the NFC Championship Game; b) reaching Super Bowl XLIV and/or c) winning Super Bowl XLIV.

...yes?

 

[Jon88]

So, in retrospect, Roy Williams prevented the 2009 Dallas Cowboys from: a) reaching the NFC Championship Game; b) reaching Super Bowl XLIV and/or c) winning Super Bowl XLIV.

...yes?

I don't know about that but he has definitely killed and inordinate amount of drives.

I would call that holding the team back.

 

[goons]

I think going into training camp, they need to put Roy on the same level as Ogletree, Hurd, etc. and whoever plays best gets the job. Don't cut him (that's silly, serves no purpose), but don't protect him either. If Ogletree or Hurd can show they are better than Roy Williams at getting open and catching balls, both in camp and in preseason games, THEN you cut him. If he can't beat those guys out, he doesn't need to impede their growth any longer. Ogletree isn't as tall as Roy, but he's faster and seems to be able to catch stuff better. Hurd's been developing for a while now. He's turning into a great special teams player (as opposed to just good). He hasn't been totally dependable in game situations, but he hasn't had that many chances and he's done some good things when in there. Roy has to show more than he has to earn the starting job, and I don't think his head can deal with moving to 3rd or 4th receiver.

 

[Rampage]

So, in retrospect, Roy Williams prevented the 2009 Dallas Cowboys from: a) reaching the NFC Championship Game; b) reaching Super Bowl XLIV and/or c) winning Super Bowl XLIV.

...yes?

do you realize how good Romo played last season with Roy as a starting wr? In several games it was like Tony only had 1 starting wr since Roy went 2 or 3 games without a catch. Now i'm not gonna say he held us back to the point of not reaching those goals you listed above all on his own. But he did hold this offense back last season. It's no secret this offense started to get rolling the game Roy didn't play and had Miles start in his place.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't know about that but he has definitely killed and inordinate amount of drives.

I would call that holding the team back.

So, again in retrospect, Roy Williams was primarily responsible for Dallas losing regular season games, but not necessarily during it's playoff run? Or is it that Williams 'killed an inordinate amount of drives' during the NFC Divisional Game at Minnesota?

 

[Jon88]

do you realize how good Romo played last season with Roy as a starting wr. In several games it was like Tony only had 1 starting wr since Roy went 2 or 3 games without a catch. Now i'm not gonna say he held us back to the point of not reaching those goals you listed above all on his own. But he did hold this offense back last season. It's no secret this offense started to get rolling the game Roy didn't play and had Miles start in his place.

You're correct.

 

[Jon88]

So, again in retrospect, Roy Williams was primarily responsible for Dallas losing regular season games, but not necessarily during it's playoff run? Or is it that Williams 'killed an inordinate amount of drives' during the NFC Divisional Game at Minnesota?

So I cant say he held the team back because I can't prove he costed us games?

I disagree.

 

[DallasEast]

do you realize how good Romo played last season with Roy as a starting wr. In several games it was like Tony only had 1 starting wr since Roy went 2 or 3 games without a catch. Now i'm not gonna say he held us back to the point of not reaching those goals you listed above all on his own. But he did hold this offense back last season. It's no secret this offense started to get rolling the game Roy didn't play and had Miles start in his place.

Was Roy Williams' level of play a detriment to overall offensive production? Of course. Where have I stated otherwise? However, where it matters most, will anyone state that Williams was the primary or one of the primary causes of the team's exit from the '09 playoffs?

 

[DallasEast]

So I cant say he held the team back because I can't prove he costed us games?

I disagree.

So, then you would say that Williams cost us the Vikings game? You know... the last game of the season?

 

[Rampage]

Was Roy Williams' level of play a detriment to overall offensive production? Of course. Where have I stated otherwise? However, where it matters most, will anyone state that Williams was the primary or one of the primary causes of the team's exit from the '09 playoffs?

yeah i'll say he was one of the primary causes we lost against Minny. I'm more so doing this just for discussion purposes since i'm snowed in right now though. But back to the Minny game on top of the O-line playing like ish he(Tony) had 1 less weapon whenever Roy was on the field cause he didn't do anything.

 

[Stash]

So, again in retrospect, Roy Williams was primarily responsible for Dallas losing regular season games, but not necessarily during it's playoff run? Or is it that Williams 'killed an inordinate amount of drives' during the NFC Divisional Game at Minnesota?

Why does the observation that Williams "held the team back" need to be qualified so much?

Why does the point need to be so specific?

It's pretty clear that when a "starting receiver" is getting 0 catches, it's "holding the team back".

 

[NeonNinja]

I am sorry but as disappointed as I have been in Roy's play.

I do not cut a guy who had a bad year and still caught 7 TD's.

It too soon.

This sums up how I feel on the situation too.

 

[DallasEast]

yeah i'll say he was one of the primary causes we lost against Minny. I'm more so doing this just for discussion purposes since i'm snowed in right now though. But back to the Minny game on top of the O-line playing like ish he(Tony) had 1 less weapon whenever Roy was on the field cause he didn't do anything.

Okey dokey.

 

[Stash]

Was Roy Williams' level of play a detriment to overall offensive production? Of course. Where have I stated otherwise? However, where it matters most, will anyone state that Williams was the primary or one of the primary causes of the team's exit from the '09 playoffs?

I don't believe that was ever said.

Conversely, could the outcome of the Dallas/Vikings game have been different had the game been played in Dallas?

Quite possibly.

If so, then Williams' role in the Cowboys possibly losing a regular season game could have played a huge role.

If we're using hypotheticals.