Norm on KTCK 1310AM The Ticket: Roy Williams - cut him

[Jon88]

So, then you would say that Williams cost us the Vikings game? You know... the last game of the season?

Once again, I never said he costed us games that I know of but he was like a weight around the offense's neck.

 

[dadymat]

Slight exaggeration..

It hasn't been on blockbuster level, but he's been productive.

The problem is people equate his production w/cost. He never would've lived up to what was given up for him nor his salary. He came in w/the deck stacked against him.

It hasn't helped that he hasn't played well enough or consistent enough to justify either when given chances.

From my perspective, as bad as Roy has played, there have been worst players on the team. He's pretty low in my ranking.

absolutely....i would rather keep the 800 yrds and 7 tds and not eat the 9 mill

 

[Rampage]

I don't believe that was ever said.

Conversely, could the outcome of the Dallas/Vikings game have been different had the game been played in Dallas?

Quite possibly.

If so, then Williams' role in the Cowboys possibly losing a regular season game could have played a huge role.

If we're using hypotheticals.

like Roy's fumble in Green Bay that killed our momentum?

 

[iceberg]

Summarization:
The bottom line is at Roy's salary numbers, the year and a half experiment has failed, The money can be better allocated elsewhere. He believes the Cowboys should cut him. He is not worth the $3.5 million for a #3 WR Position. He has already given up money and draft picks. Don't continue to pour more money on this issue for the lack of productivity.

He is taking calls on it now.

you mean someone on the radio says something controversial for the purpose of stirring up problems with others?

NO!

 

[clutch88]

Romo is the MAN...who folds in pressure games. Look it up.

 

[Doomsday101]

Regardless if people think or feel he cost Dallas any games the bottom line is he needs to produce if he is to remain in Dallas.

If RW felt there was pressure to produce last season he can expect that pressure to be 10 X what is was this past year.

It will be up to Garrett to come up with ways to use Williams but in the end it comes down to Williams going out and making the plays when they go his way.

 

[DallasEast]

Why does the observation that Williams "held the team back" need to be qualified so much?

Why does the point need to be so specific?

It's pretty clear that when a "starting receiver" is getting 0 catches, it's "holding the team back".

It's just a difference in opinion. For me, holding the team back equates to preventing the team from achieving ultimate success. For NFL teams, the ultimate goal is reaching and/or winning the Super Bowl.

Dallas' last game of the season was in Minnesota during the NFC Divisional round. Even stating that Williams was the sole reason for the five regular season losses does not impact how Dallas' season ultimately ended.

Williams could have generated better numbers during the season. He could have been more productive within the offense. As Rampage noted, he "held back the offense".

However, in the end, can it be said that Williams held his team back from going further than it did in '09? Obviously, some would say yes he did. "Me?" Nope.

 

[MWILL]

If he has a bad training camp I say get security and use his head to open the front doors to Valley Ranch.

Chris Chambers had a more productive season in KC and he didn't need training camp to be on the same page with his QB.

Romo and Garrett has lost faith in Roy and he needs a new team.

 

[Stash]

It's just a difference in opinion. For me, holding the team back equates to preventing the team from achieving ultimate success. For NFL teams, the ultimate goal is reaching and/or winning the Super Bowl.

Dallas' last game of the season was in Minnesota during the NFC Divisional round. Even stating that Williams was the sole reason for the five regular season losses does not impact how Dallas' season ultimately ended.

I would definitely disagree. If the Cowboys win one more game, that game is played in Dallas, not in Minnesota. And the Vikings don't have the huge advantage in terms of noise which greatly affected what the Cowboys could or couldn't do offensively and greatly aided the Vikings' pass rush.

Williams could have generated better numbers during the season. He could have been more productive within the offense. As Rampage noted, he "held back the offense".

However, in the end, can it be said that Williams held his team back from going further than it did in '09? Obviously, some would say yes he did. "Me?" Nope.

Well, you're welcome to your opinion.

But if he held back any part of the team - as you said "he held back the offense" - doesn't that mean he held back the team?

I don't see where one is completely separate of the other.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't believe that was ever said.

Conversely, could the outcome of the Dallas/Vikings game have been different had the game been played in Dallas?

Quite possibly.

If so, then Williams' role in the Cowboys possibly losing a regular season game could have played a huge role.

If we're using hypotheticals.

"He held the team back". That is what was said. I was only searching for specifics for how that applied to the team's final conclusion last season.

EDIT. [I did not answer the question] A: Could have. No one will ever know. What we all (should) know is how the actual game progressed from start-to-finish.

 

[Jon88]

"He held the team back". That is what was said. I was only searching for specifics for how that applied to the team's final conclusion last season.

Maybe I should have said "hurt the offense."

You would agree with that I'm sure?

 

[Jon88]

Chris Chambers had a more productive season in KC and he didn't need training camp to be on the same page with his QB.

Romo and Garrett has lost faith in Roy and he needs a new team.

He's come here and just sat on his ***. The rookie Ogletree had better rapport with Romo. It's inexcusable.

 

[Jon88]

I would definitely disagree. If the Cowboys win one more game, that game is played in Dallas, not in Minnesota. And the Vikings don't have the huge advantage in terms of noise which greatly affected what the Cowboys could or couldn't do offensively and greatly aided the Vikings' pass rush.



Well, you're welcome to your opinion.

But if he held back any part of the team - as you said "he held back the offense" - doesn't that mean he held back the team?

I don't see where one is completely separate of the other.

I don't either. It's splitting hairs.

 

[DallasEast]

I would definitely disagree. If the Cowboys win one more game, that game is played in Dallas, not in Minnesota. And the Vikings don't have the huge advantage in terms of noise which greatly affected what the Cowboys could or couldn't do offensively and greatly aided the Vikings' pass rush.

I respect your opinion. However, as you would say, that's only a hypothetical. Who's to say that the outcome would have been any different from what happened at the conclusion of the 2007 season?

Well, you're welcome to your opinion.

But if he held back any part of the team - as you said "he held back the offense" - doesn't that mean he held back the team?

I don't see where one is completely separate of the other.

No, it does not. If someone can prove that Williams was a primary reason for Dallas' lack of offensive production versus the Vikings, my answer would be yes. Why? Because he would have, in effect, 'held the team back' from both beating Minnesota and received the opportunity of playing the Saints in the NFC Championship game.

 

[Jon88]

I respect your opinion. However, as you would say, that's only a hypothetical. Who's to say that the outcome would have been any different from what happened at the conclusion of the 2007 season?
No, it does not. If someone can prove that Williams was a primary reason for Dallas' lack of offensive production versus the Vikings, my answer would be yes. Why? Because he would have, in effect, 'held the team back' from both beating Minnesota and received the opportunity to play the Saints in the NFC Championship game.

Oh so just one game counts now?

What about the other 16?

This is really stupid.

 

[Stash]

"He held the team back". That is what was said. I was only searching for specifics for how that applied to the team's final conclusion last season.

EDIT. [I did not answer the question] A: Could have. No one will ever know. What we all (should) know is how the actual game progressed from start-to-finish.

I'd say the example cited in the Green Bay game is a pretty clear one. And even when it wasn't a clear mistake made by Williams, when your supposed #1 receiver isn't contributing, it definitely holds the team back.

And I would say that having to play the Vikings in Minnesota played a huge role in that game's outcome.

Change that dynamic and you might change the outcome completely.

 

[Jon88]

I'd say the example cited in the Green Bay game is a pretty clear one. And even when it wasn't a clear mistake made by Williams, when your supposed #1 receiver isn't contributing, it definitely holds the team back.

And I would say that having to play the Vikings in Minnesota played a huge role in that game's outcome.

Change that dynamic and you might change the outcome completely.

:bang2:

Must...make....him....get....it...

 

[MWILL]

He's come here and just sat on his ***. The rookie Ogletree had better rapport with Romo. It's inexcusable.

Your right. I believe Ogletree will get more looks and I still would get an WR in the draft.

 

[DallasEast]

Maybe I should have said "hurt the offense."

You would agree with that I'm sure?

Was Roy Williams' level of play a detriment to overall offensive production? Of course. Where have I stated otherwise? However, where it matters most, will anyone state that Williams was the primary or one of the primary causes of the team's exit from the '09 playoffs?

I believe I already answered your question earlier.

 

[Stash]

I respect your opinion. However, as you would say, that's only a hypothetical. Who's to say that the outcome would have been any different from what happened at the conclusion of the 2007 season?

It's most definitely hypothetical. That's all we've got at this point since what's done is done.

No, it does not. If someone can prove that Williams was a primary reason for Dallas' lack of offensive production versus the Vikings, my answer would be yes. Why? Because he would have, in effect, 'held the team back' from both beating Minnesota and received the opportunity of playing the Saints in the NFC Championship game.

I don't see where anyone other than you ever made the claim. You seem to be preoccupied with Williams' direct effect on the Vikings game - as it was played - and I don't see where anyone made that claim.

In looking at the sum effect of his season, I agree that he very much "held the team back".

And this fan has no desire to see a repeat performanmce in 2010, so if his play doesn't warrant starting, he shouldn't.