Not a QB debate, but I was looking up Game Logs

[Batman1980]

How many people here put Matt Ryan in their top 5 nfl qbs? (Related question)

I have him in the top 10 but not top 5.

 

[bayeslife]

Based on last year the gap is more than big enough. Wentz was one pace for a season that only a handful of QBs have ever had. Dak played pretty average. May as well say the gap between Bledsoe and Romo wasn't all that big because - production wise - that's where we are at.

I wonder how Dak and Wentz career numbers compare

Surely Wentz blows him out of the water here

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I have him in the top 10 but not top 5.

But, Matt Ryan was the best qb 2 years ago. He outplayed Tom Brady. Outplayed Aaron Rodgers. He was far and away league MVP. It’s almost as if... you’re putting substantially more stock in how he performed last year than 2 years ago. Even with a 2 year split he looks better than Russell Wilson, better than when Roethlissberger. “What have you done for me lately?” Eh? In 2018 you’re getting a continuation of the QB you had at the end of 2017, not the guy you last saw 19 months ago.

Interesting evaluation point, I’ll have to remember it.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

He was also an MVP candidate last year before he got hurt

Key word "was"

Dak was an MVP candidate his rookie year and beat out Wentz in rookie of the year...... Which Wentz wasn't even in the discussion for. Not only that Foles proved it wasn't Wentz but the coaching and talent of the team.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Key word "was"

Dak was an MVP candidate his rookie year and beat out Wentz in rookie of the year...... Which Wentz wasn't even in the discussion for. Not only that Foles proved it wasn't Wentz but the coaching and talent of the team.

 

[Rockport]

wha wha wha.. you're critical of Dak,, "you can go follow a different team"... *wipes tears from face*.. whaaa

As a Cowboys fan I was really bummed about all the crap Romo had to take from Cowboy fans. Most of them to this day still crap on him. I see the same thing happening with Dak. They were wrong about Romo and they’re wrong about Dak.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Based on what?

Dak certainly out played Wentz their rookie seasons.

Wentz had a better year last season, but he had his entire team and a very good D to help
Dak did not have Zeke, Tryron was out at a critical time. Dez was not what he was. Sean Lee was out some and the defense was still a work in progress.

Not that those should be excuses, but it all factors in.

I will wait and see what happens this year and go from there.

So basically Dak in year one, Wentz in year two.
This year three is entirely different. Suit them up, let them play it out.

Based on Wentz actually being a superior thrower, having better mechanics, better from the pocket, better at reading defenses, better at improvising, and being the actual focal point of the offense.

Oh and Wentz was missing his starting left tackle and running back too, and woulda been MVP had he not gotten hurt

 

[Blackspider214]

Based on Wentz actually being a superior thrower, having better mechanics, better from the pocket, better at reading defenses, better at improvising, and being the actual focal point of the offense.

Oh and Wentz was missing his starting left tackle and running back too, and woulda been MVP had he not gotten hurt

Focal point of the offense yet his backup comes in and wins a Super Bowl? Riiiiiiight.

Philly has one of the best OL and run games in the league. One of the best young TEs and a good group of receivers that are reliable. A really good defense. And a great support staff with his coach. Pederson proved he can plug in another QB for that system and keep the train moving.

The Wentz fascination is unreal with so many. He has accomplished nothing yet so many people act like he's the second coming.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Focal point of the offense yet his backup comes in and wins a Super Bowl? Riiiiiiight.

Philly has one of the best OL and run games in the league. One of the best young TEs and a good group of receivers that are reliable. A really good defense. And a great support staff with his coach. Pederson proved he can plug in another QB for that system and keep the train moving.

The Wentz fascination is unreal with so many. He has accomplished nothing yet so many people act like he's the second coming.

You cant be this simple.


Eagles wouldnt have won the Super Bowl if Wentz hadnt clinched them the number 1 seed with his MVP-level play.


This isnt even a debate. 1 of these guys is a top 20 player in the league according to that Espn list, while the other isnt top 100.

 

[jazzcat22]

Based on Wentz actually being a superior thrower, having better mechanics, better from the pocket, better at reading defenses, better at improvising, and being the actual focal point of the offense.

Oh and Wentz was missing his starting left tackle and running back too, and woulda been MVP had he not gotten hurt

Sounds like you need to go root for the Eagles. Your post Belongs on their fandom board, Take Risen with you.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Based on Wentz actually being a superior thrower, having better mechanics, better from the pocket, better at reading defenses, better at improvising, and being the actual focal point of the offense.

Oh and Wentz was missing his starting left tackle and running back too, and woulda been MVP had he not gotten hurt

Actually everything you just said if false including if Wentz hadnt have gotten hurt he would have been MVP. Since you're playing the if game here is one for you......if Watson hadnt have gotten hurt he would have won MVP because he was already ahead of Wentz before his injury.

Wentz doesn't read defenses and barely goes through progressions. Not only that but his IQ especially in clutch situations is subpar. He only throws a fast ball with no touch what so ever and his accuracy is questionable. Wentz can't even score running TDs better than Dak and when he tried busted up his knee.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You cant be this simple.


Eagles wouldnt have won the Super Bowl if Wentz hadnt clinched them the number 1 seed with his MVP-level play.


This isnt even a debate. 1 of these guys is a top 20 player in the league according to that Espn list, while the other isnt top 100.

Wentz didn't clinch the number 1 seed foles did and won Superbowl mvp

 

[WillieBeamen]

Actually everything you just said if false including if Wentz hadnt have gotten hurt he would have been MVP. Since you're playing the if game here is one for you......if Watson hadnt have gotten hurt he would have won MVP because he was already ahead of Wentz before his injury.

Wentz doesn't read defenses and barely goes through progressions. Not only that but his IQ especially in clutch situations is subpar. He only throws a fast ball with no touch what so ever and his accuracy is questionable. Wentz can't even score running TDs better than Dak and when he tried busted up his knee.

This is pure hate


In no way Dak is better than Wentz. Fans on this site will hold on to that 2016 season forever

 

[Irvin88_4life]

This is pure hate


In no way Dak is better than Wentz. Fans on this site will hold on to that 2016 season forever

No pure hate is the nonsense you speak when taking about Wentz. Dak is superior to Wentz in many ways, number 1 being he is healthy and a Dallas Cowboy. You're hate and dislike for Dak clouds your judgement

 

[Captain-Crash]

Dak is superior to Wentz . lmao... heck Foles is superior to Dak.. he's got a ring.. what's Quack got.... just some blind fans?

 

[Hadenough]

I cant believe that people cant see the difference between Dak and Wentz.

 

[waving monkey]

Based on last year the gap is more than big enough. Wentz was one pace for a season that only a handful of QBs have ever had. Dak played pretty average. May as well say the gap between Bledsoe and Romo wasn't all that big because - production wise - that's where we are at.

why not based on 2016 Dak wasnt bad then either

 

[waving monkey]

Wentz has an offensive minded coach that made Nick Foles out perform Tom Brady and win Super Bowl MVP.


Put Wentz with Linehan and Garrett and then we can know how great he is.

Goff was the biggest draft bust until McVey came and put him in a good offense.

There is a reason Wentzs offensive coordinator got a HC job while ours got help from Sanjay Lal.

nope

 

[waving monkey]

 

[superonyx]

nope

Yup