Not gonna be popular... trade Roy and Julius for #2

[iceberg]

Anybody can say "huh!?!?" in an attempt to make somebody's ideas or beliefs to look silly, but it takes a completely different type of person to give insightful reasons to why they disagree. Just saying "huh" like a jackarse is pretty childish. Next time when you're going to disagree with somebody give a reason to why instead of acting like a jerk. Deal?

and then again there are times regardless of our reaction, an idea is just...silly anyway.

i don't have to give insightful conversation before i flush things, i just hit the lever and send it where it belongs, hoping i didn't hurt it's feelings, of course.

 

[adamknite]

I'm just talking about trading Roy in general. These guys with the Roy fathead on their wall refuse to admit that Roy has had some struggles the last few years.

I had a guy tell me it would take four first round picks or the combination of Terrell Suggs, Todd Heap, Ed Reed and a first rounder for Roy. Honestly. C'mon, don't be dumb, I'd trade him straight up for Suggs and snicker on my way home from the deal.

I don't know if somebody around here said it, but if they did then they're obviously delusional. But we don't trade Roy and another player for one pick, no way. What if the player we take is a bust then we would have traded two starters for a bench player, 1st round picks aren't locks to be great pros. This draft has a lot of talent at some positions so why trade away that many players when we can get good prospects late in the draft. There is no reason to covet a player so much to trade that much to get the pick to draft him. We should be more worried about drafting smart instead of trading our players.

 

[iceberg]

WHAT!?!???!!???!

see I can do it about your post and not give any thoughtfull comment too.

just because someone farted, i don't have to give insightful input about it, dude.

 

[WoodysGirl]

The point of the Huh, genius, was that some comments are so, forgive me, dumb....that they dont require a "thoughtful comment". Roy Williams was one of the MAIN NAMES that was called week after week as someone who wasnt getting the job done. Anyone who remotely paid attention to our season last year knows that. Therefore, that comment that i responded "HUH????!!!!!!" to, was so dumb, that it was worth a thoughtful comment. (and thoughtful only has one L)

That could be because that's the only name the announcers knew. There were times it was pretty clear he was certainly at fault. And then there were times, it could be argued that he wasn't the player at fault, but he was close enough to the play, that most could *assume* that he was the one out of position.

I agree for the most part. At least you have a rational assessment of the whole deal.

However, I still think it is wrong to absolutely state that he couldn't have been part of trade talks. What do we know about teams talking trade? Nothing. It certainly could happen.

Like I said before, if you don't listen, you don't trade Herschel Walker and you don't win three Super Bowls.

Don't get me wrong, any player is tradeable for the right price, even everybody's current fan favorite DeMarcus Ware. So I don't discount that a trade scenario *could* have been talked about behind the scenes, but so far nothing has been published regarding him, so I'm not all that inclined to really debate something that hasn't been reported or speculated anywhere besides the Ranch.

 

[superpunk]

He's already been supplanted.

I honestly think this team would have struggled more losing someone like Ferguson than losing RW last year.

If the dropoff from Ferguson to Stanley is greater than from Roy to Elam, that's probably right. NT is a heck of an important position in our defense.

 

[adamknite]

If the dropoff from Ferguson to Stanley is greater than from Roy to Elam, that's probably right. NT is a heck of an important position in our defense.

no kidding, in the 3-4 a NT has to be a beast who doesn't mind not getting a lot of pretty stats. Ferguson is a good person in that role.

 

[big dog cowboy]

would that even work in Madden?

Still my favorite response.

 

[Cbz40]

If the dropoff from Ferguson to Stanley is greater than from Roy to Elam, that's probably right. NT is a heck of an important position in our defense.

WoW!!!!!!!! we agree!!!!!

If Ferguson goes down I have a feeling we are in for a bunch of hurt.

 

[TEK2000]

Still my favorite response.

The conversation should have ended at that response as well.......

 

[jrumann59]

Everyone says trade roy yet they fail to realize he was just signed to an extension and practices like that is no better than having Deions's contract still on the books. Why put the team in cap hell when you have a player that is servicable at worse and a stud at best. But like someon pointed out earlier I guess it worked in Madden Ohhh-Six

 

[jobberone]

Roy hasn't been mentioned at all any legit trade scenario. The one pulled from the Ranch last year doesn't count. I look at it like this. It would take losing Roy to determine how much of a loss it would be not to have him on this team. Until then, I don't know how anyone can definitively say, "it wouldn't be a big deal to trade him" or on the flip side, "the team would go down the tube."

Roy is just getting to that point where he, T-New, and Henry form a pretty solid group of vets in the secondary. The secondary is extremely young and talent-limited behind them. I wouldn't want to trade him and then start the season with a rookie, Keith Davis, 2nd year man Pat Wakins, and some scrub vet.

However, there's a ton of smoke regarding Julius, so I don't discount that. I like Julius and I hope we see more from him next year. If not, then I see the need to draft another running back. Not until then.

You're right WG. Without a decent pass rush, none of our DBs are going to look good and you're not going to be able to completely evaluate RW's play.

I don't discount his ProBowls but neither do I think they are conclusive as to how well he plays. It has to mean something to get 4 outta five years though.

You bring up a good point about the DBs being together for awhile. That doesn't get mentioned much to my knowledge.

While it's fun to speculate about football esp the Cowboys I don't see how in the heck they would or even could trade RW.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree for the most part. At least you have a rational assessment of the whole deal.

However, I still think it is wrong to absolutely state that he couldn't have been part of trade talks. What do we know about teams talking trade? Nothing. It certainly could happen.

Like I said before, if you don't listen, you don't trade Herschel Walker and you don't win three Super Bowls.

ok, so Romo is on the trading block, cuz it could happen?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm just talking about trading Roy in general. These guys with the Roy fathead on their wall refuse to admit that Roy has had some struggles the last few years.

I don't think anyone has refused to admit that Roy has struggled in coverage

just have said that Roy isn't the bumbling fool many, you, portray him to be, that he's on par w/ most safeties when the pass-rush isn't to be found

 

[Chuck 54]

I'd make the original suggested trade in a heartbeat, no offense to JJ or ROy, but Detroit would have to be insane. They have Kevin Jones, who so far has been pretty much a clone of JJ...why want another? And Roy was about a #8 pick some years ago, a Safety who is a probowler but isn't making anyone think of Ronnie Lott or the Hall of Fame, so why would detroit want to give up the #2 overall pick for those two guys?

And if we did that trade just to draft Peterson, RB, I'd be ready for the nut house...that would truly be idiotic. I think anyone who takes a RB that high, especially one with some concerns, is insane.

If I moved up that high, it would be for Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas...no one else.

 

[junk]

I don't think anyone has refused to admit that Roy has struggled in coverage

Uh, yes they have. Repeatedly. They've even tried to put together some sort of statistics to prove that he hasn't struggled.

just have said that Roy isn't the bumbling fool many, you, portray him to be, that he's on par w/ most safeties when the pass-rush isn't to be found

Never said he was a bumbling fool. How does "had some struggles" equal "bumbling fool"? Another case of someone who can't handle any Roy criticism flying off the handle.

Athletic TEs have frequently provided serious issues for Roy. I'd actually argue that Roy is better in a Cover 2 than some of the other schemes because it allows him to move forward and make a play on the ball as opposed to having to turn his hips and run with a player, where he struggles.

 

[superpunk]

Uh, yes they have. Repeatedly. They've even tried to put together some sort of statistics to prove that he hasn't struggled.

Statistics?!?!?!

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We need to find these people using statistics and toss them out on their *****. There's no room for that kind of misplaced factual rationale here. Personally, I'd rather go with how I feel about a player. For instance, I feel that Mark Rypien was one of the finest LBs to ever play the game.

Completely false, you say?

I don't care. And don't bother showing me any stats that show that Mark Rypien never actually played LB. There is no room for that here.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

If Roy does not improve this year under Wade.....then pose this ???? again

 

[vicjagger]

Just to add some fodder, these are combinations of picks that would be equal to the #2 pick (or Julius & Roy) in this proposed trade:

3 & 50, 4 & 21, 6 & 16, 8 & 12, 9 & 11.

 

[Avery]

I would do this trade in a heartbeat, but seriously, it makes no sense for Detroit.

 

[Big Dakota]

If Roy does not improve this year under Wade.....then pose this ???? again