Now I know why some people want T.O. and some don't

[Zaxor]

So how many TDs did TO score in the superbowl?


Here's some simple math for you...


Zero + Zero = Zero.

Which is how many TDs TO scored in the Superbowl.

How many rings does TO have?

How many years has TO been in the league now?

 

[Rack]

How many rings does TO have?

How many years has TO been in the league now?

Hey, we're talking simple math here. That may be too advanced for some people.


By the way, answers to those questions are...

ZERO


and


TOO LONG

 

[theogt]

You're both right. Dan Marino was not a difference maker either.

 

[Rack]

By the way, theogt, I'm sure you've looked for this somewhere...


Link


You were saying earlier something about you being man enough to admit when you're wrong?


Baby steps, Bro. Baby steps. Here's a perfect opportunity to prove you aren't a liar.



And just a side note... hope you don't take any of this personal. You're one of the "Good guys" here (so far that I've seen anyway). We just happen to be on opposite sides of one huge arse coin when it comes to this TO matter.


In the end we all just want our team to be superbowl champs again. We just disagree on how to get there.

 

[Rack]

You're both right. Dan Marino was not a difference maker either.

Actually, I think Dan Marino was a great QB, but he is a bit overated.


Let me reitterate (sp?)... Dan Marino was a good QB, just not as good as the consensus believes he was.

JMO


But let's not compare Marino to TO. TO was on a great team, that had gone to 4 straight NFC CHamp games. Marino didn't have the pleasure of playing on a team that good.

 

[theogt]

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Rack]

What on earth are you talking about?

A little help here.... what are you talking about what I was talking about?


Maybe you should quote exactly what you wish to know what i was talking about.

 

[theogt]

A little help here.... what are you talking about what I was talking about?


Maybe you should quote exactly what you wish to know what i was talking about.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: This thread needs more emoticons!!!

 

[DallasDomination]

I watched the 90s Superbowls and I want T.o ...so this thread FTL

 

[theogt]

Ok fellas. It was nice chatting, but I'm off. Til tomorrow. Same bat time, same bat channel.

 

[Rack]

I watched the 90s Superbowls and I want T.o ...so this thread FTL

You don't get a vote till you're old enough to drink.



You were, what, 10 years old the last time we won a superbowl?


You were playing with your G.I. Joes at halftime, while I was topping off my 8th or 9th beer.


And that has no relevance whatsoever, but it does bring back some memories. I have it all on tape too (referring to me and my friends getting to-up, not the game itself). Ahhh... the memories.

 

[ZRO]

Nobody is saying T.O. = immediate lock to win the Superbowl, but T.O. takes this team from being a team that will be fighting for a wildcard spot in 2006, to a team that could possibly be the best team in the NFC in 2006.

Character, integrity, etc. is all nice and good, but I'm not trying to be buddies with Owens; I don't want to be his friend, and I don't care how big of a prick he is, I just want him to catch TD's for us.

Winning with "class and integrity" is one big media hype job. The Patriots didn't win 3 superbowls because they are nice guys who have a lot of integrity, they won 3 superbowls because Belichick is a mastermind, they had the best assistants in the NFL, they had Tom Brady, and a dominant defense.

We had all our high character, high integrity, lockerroom leaders these past few years with the La'Roi Glover's and Dan Campbell's of the world and it got us absolutely nowhere.

Besides, I don't think T.O. is a guy who doesn't have character. He's a self-centered and egotistical, but he works harder than just about any player in the NFL, keeps himself in pristine condition, and gives it 110% every Sunday. He's just a little too in love with himself.

This offense hasn't had a true game changer at WR since #88 retired, we need T.O.

 

[DallasDomination]

You don't get a vote till you're old enough to drink.



You were, what, 10 years old the last time we won a superbowl?


You were playing with your G.I. Joes at halftime, while I was topping off my 8th or 9th beer.


And that has no relevance whatsoever, but it does bring back some memories. I have it all on tape too (referring to me and my friends getting to-up, not the game itself). Ahhh... the memories.

Not drinking Beers during the Superbowls? hahah yea right I had my Corona right next to me. My pops brought me up the way it should be done, as A COWBOY since day one.

I'll admit I didnt watch the first SB, but I did watch the 2nd and 3rd. I was young but it doesnt matter, I still held it down as a TRUE COWBOY FAN.

 

[SultanOfSix]

No one player makes a team win the SB. On the other hand, to take credit away from the fact of adding a great player to your team doesn't help your team, is either an act of blindness or sheer dogmatism.

No one that I know believes TO is a guaranteed ticket for the Cowboys to the SB. However, to say that he wouldn't be a significant upgrade talentwise and could help this team (as long as he's kept in check) is nonsense, and to say things like "how many SBs has TO won" or how many "TDs did he score in the SB" as evidence of the notion that he couldn't help is being disingenuous.

Say you don't want him because you think his attitude may be detrimental to the team. Or that you don't want him because of his past history. But to question his talent, or diminish his value to a team talentwise because he hasn't won a SB or didn't score this many touchdowns amounts to logical fallacy.

 

[Rack]

No one that I know believes TO is a guaranteed ticket for the Cowboys to the SB. However, to say that he wouldn't be a significant upgrade talentwise and could help this team (as long as he's kept in check)

I'm sure the Eagles thought they could keep him "in check" too. It didn't happen. Didn't happen in San Fran either. Hell, even his old college coach doesn't talk to highly of him.

and to say things like "how many SBs has TO won" or how many "TDs did he score in the SB" as evidence of the notion that he couldn't help is being disingenuous.

Go look at that again, this time more carefully, and you'll see why I posted it.

Say you don't want him because you think his attitude may be detrimental to the team. Or that you don't want him because of his past history.

I've BEEN saying that for some time now.

But to question his talent, or diminish his value to a team talentwise

There's more to a football player (or person for that matter) then just talent. In TO's case there's A LOT more to it, and pretty much all of it is negative.


It's not just a players talent that impacts his team.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Well, maybe the Eagles shouldn't hold some players more accountable than others when it comes to responsibility. There didn't seem to be any issues between TO, McNabb, and the team the first year. So, what changed in the second year? Even now, there is still NO issue between many players - as they have said themselves - on the Eagles and TO. And San Fran was a mess when T.O. started to complain.

I looked carefully enough. Someone used a math analogy to exemplify "added value" to a team. Somehow, this got translated to scoring touchdowns in the SB as a representation of his value. This is a logical fallacy.

 

[Rack]

Well, maybe the Eagles shouldn't hold some players more accountable than others when it comes to responsibility. There didn't seem to be any issues between TO, McNabb, and the team the first year. So, what changed in the second year? Even now, there is still NO issue between many players - as they have said themselves - on the Eagles and TO.

I looked carefully enough. Someone used a math analogy to exemplify "added value" to a team. Somehow, this got translated to scoring touchdowns in the SB as a representation of his value. This is a logical fallacy.

Actually, I don't think you watched carefully enough.


And about the TD thing, theogt was posting TO's stats in the superbowl. Somehow 3 TDs got added to his total eventhough TO didn't actually score in the game.


Got it now?

 

[SultanOfSix]

That would be fine and dandy if your touchdown comment was in response to his original comment in which he stated that he scored 3 TDs. I took it in the context of the post you responsed to. In this case, my point still stands.

 

[Rack]

That would be fine and dandy if your touchdown comment was in response to his original comment in which he stated that he scored 3 TDs. I took it in the context of the post you responsed to. In this case, my point still stands.

My comment WAS in response to his orginal comment about the 3 TDs. Don't know what you're looking at.

 

[CowboyMark]

He said TEAM player. Hes right. TO does not know what a team concept is.

You stats prove hes a good receiver, but says nothing about the 2 teams he left in shambles. You could not be more wrong in your conclusion.

Thank You very much, someone who actually reads my posts.