Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

[GINeric]

Dak Prescott has a history of beating up the weak teams and looking like he has never played the QB position against good teams. That is the very definition of an average QB. Now I can understand that beating up on the weak teams is expected. But good QB's don't wax between - playing really well vs looking like you can't even make the most basic of throws, an above average QB flat out does not look that lost.

Well you should take a look at where Dak ranks vs winning teams. There are quarterbacks who people say that are better than he is who ranks WORSE than Dak vs winning teams. As a matter of fact, I believe Dak's record vs winning teams is in the top 10 of active quarterbacks over the last few years. If I'm wrong, then I stand to be corrected.

Now if I AM right about Dak's record vs winning teams ranking higher than some of the quarterbacks that are said to be better than Dak.....

What does that say about the quarterbacks who are ranked worse than Dak and supposedly better than Dak? What should I take from that?

 

[kskboys]

And I respect what you're saying.... but what are the names of the average quarterbacks in NFL history who has been a perennial top 10 qb, became All Pro and an MVP candidate??

What are these average quarterbacks names since it's easy for average quarterbacks to achieve those things. You mean to tell me nothing other average quarterbacks have done those things?

Dak is the first?

Eli, Flacco, Hurts, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan. And I'm sure there are many more.

Now, I have no idea about this MVP crapp, as it's a silly little award the means nothing aside from a personal accolade.

 

[GINeric]

Eli, Flacco, Hurts, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan. And I'm sure there are many more.

Now, I have no idea about this MVP crapp, as it's a silly little award the means nothing aside from a personal accolade.

Wow!! You believe those quarterbacks you've listed were average?? What's your definition of average??

Then you said an MVP award is meaningless???? Now I have NEVER heard anyone call being an MVP winner or candidate meaningless. That's crazy!!

 

[GINeric]

I think it's been proven time and time again...the draft position doesn't always corollate to performance.

Romo was undrafted. How much better is Dak SUPPOSED to be over him?

Well Dak came out of college and immediately took Romo's job and retired him.... i guess that means Dak was better than him.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Well Dak came out of college and immediately took Romo's job and retired him.... i guess that means Dak was better than him.

Right. Moving goal posts yourself now I see.

 

[Johannes44]

What does that say about the quarterbacks who are ranked worse than Dak and supposedly better than Dak? What should I take from that?

I never said that Dak Prescott was the worst QB in the league. I said he was average. Which means there are plenty of QB's that are worse than him and a smaller subset that is better than him. But given his inability to be a difference maker when it counts, the only way you win with a guy like that is to stack the team around him. It is no coincidence that his rookie year when he had the best rushing attack in the league was his best year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well Dak came out of college and immediately took Romo's job and retired him.

Talk about rewriting history. That's not even close to what happened.

 

[kskboys]

Wow!! You believe those quarterbacks you've listed were average?? What's your definition of average??

Then you said an MVP award is meaningless???? Now I have NEVER heard anyone call being an MVP winner or candidate meaningless. That's crazy!!

Absolutely. Depends on how you define average. In the NFL, an average player plays the position at a decent level, but doesn't stand out. That doesn't mean he is the 16th best QB in the NFL, that would be "the mean".

Basically, average means he's competent, but has holes in his game that keep him from consistency. That describes Dak.

An MVP award is strictly a personal award and has nothing to do w/ the success of the team. Crazy is thinking it means anything else.

And yes, those QBs were absolutely average starters in the NFL. Why would you think differently? Didn't you watch them? Eli, for instance, was the very definition of average, being inconsistent and rather inaccurate. He was blessed w/ a D that covered up his inadequacies. Do you seriously not know this?

Case in point: In the playoffs vs SF(I think it was 07), Eli failed in the 4th qtr 2-3 times. I think it was two, as he was bailed out by Kyle Williams's fumbles. And his D held stout. Eli had very little to do w/ the super bowl win in 07. Justin Tuck was the true MVP of that super bowl, and there is no doubt about it. Holding one of the greatest O's of all time to a mere 14 points proves that to a T.

And please stop misquoting/taking out of context. I clearly said it was meaningless aside from personal accolades. That is entirely different from saying it is meaningless w/ no qualifier.

 

[Johannes44]

An MVP award is strictly a personal award and has nothing to do w/ the success of the team. Crazy is thinking it means anything else.

He also never won the MVP award, rather all this hype is based on the fact that someone voted for him and he came in 2nd in a race where there is no 2nd place. You either get voted to win the MVP or you don't. It's like claiming that someone came in second in the Presidential race. What does that even mean? Nothing.

 

[lopey]

Dak hires coaches now?

Or is that the responsibility of the 2 idiots who run the team?

Stay foolish.

Lol ill give you this. You sure stick up for what you believe no matter how bad tbe take is. Dak is average. He needs a loaded and i mean loaded roster to win. He is not worth $. 60 m because he is not a difference maker.

 

[kskboys]

He also never won the MVP award, rather all this hype is based on the fact that someone voted for him and he came in 2nd in a race where there is no 2nd place. You either get voted to win the MVP or you don't. It's like claiming that someone came in second in the Presidential race. What does that even mean? Nothing.

I was pretty shocked that someone was actually using it to try and make a point to begin w/. It's absolutely irrelevant when discussing a player.

 

[Wangchung83]

I repeat:

Look at what Jalen Hurts has around him, and compare that to what Dak has around him.

Not even remotely close.

BTW, Jerry and Stephen are THRILLED that fans like you would rather blame the QB than them.

I repeat you’re blind if you believe we don’t remember Dak having the highest aid offense for three years and got all of what 17 points against the whiners? Asking us to look at what Dak has around home neglects to look at what he has had and squandered away. He sucks get over it

 

[starfan1]

if wins and losses are the determining factor of whether or not a player sucks and the value of a contract then we can make a list of players that don't meet standards. Wins are a TEAM stat. No QB does it on their own and more than any other sport they are impacted by the roster the GM has put together. Even the best QBs need help. Dak has had multiple shots at this and has been part of the failure equation but whether hes the main reason or just another pawn in the mess of the Jerry jones tree is a matter of perspective. Fans tend to put % on how much blame he should get based on how they feel about him.

I believe this fanbase is is terrible at evaluating reasons for success and failure but to each their own. Dak is paid more than anybody else in the league and hes far from the best but i dont blame him for the lack of TEAM success. the chiefs structured PH contract in a way they could still conduct business and get him a surrounding cast. If they are the standard we compare it to then Dak will never live up to the expectations placed on him by this fanbase. they draft better they are coached better and they have a generational talent at QB

Jerry Jones has shown year in and year out even with the money there hell bypass talent for T shirts. This is a 30 year failure and not a 9 year one. and no Dak is not Just as much to blame as Jerry nor was Romo. Jerry and Stephen stands alone at the top of the buffoonery that is this organization. Now Dak has lower extremity injuries that should concern all fans which is probably adds more gas to the stupidity fire of the contract.

We need a QB soon and were tied to him for 3 years minimum but we need alot more than just that hopefully this year marks a change and jerry steps out of his comfort zone and gets risky in FA. Micah has said hed take less money to get Miles Garrett Id jump at that but Im not GM. We need another WR threat and a RB,LB,Saftey and Id love to see Steele sent packing and they move Guyton over to his more natural spot.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Talk about rewriting history. That's not even close to what happened.

I caught him in hypocrisy/double standard. He got mad AND desperate...and that's all he could come up with.

He was talking about the draft position versus value. That dak outperformed QB's drafted above him. I reminded him that's been the case forever. Especially QBs. I reminded him that undrafted Romo has arguably played AT LEAST as well as 4th round Dak (IMHO better- but beside the point).

By his theory, shouldn't Dak have played like WAY better than an undrafted QB?

He got mad, moved the goal post with a dumb comment. Even Jerry admitted Dak wasn't necessarily better. (When he said "don't mess with a streak").

If he had said "healthier" instead of "better"..I might have let him get away with it.

 

[Coogiguy03]

You're silly.

Dak can learn a new offense/new terminology.

Dak advocated for his current HC like ALL players do publicly.

Micah did the same. Are you mad at him too?

It's the front office's job to make the best decisions, PERIOD!!!!!! I don't even care what Dak said.

Here's a quick history lesson for you:

The Golden State Warriors fired Mark Jackson as head coach in 2014.

The players, including Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green were FURIOUS. Jackson was their guy. He had turned the Warriors from a laughingstock into a playoff team.

The Warriors hired a guy named Steve Kerr. The star players weren't welcoming to Kerr AT ALL. They were still pissed about the Jackson decision.

Then Kerr installed his offense, and the Warriors took over the NBA, reaching the next 5 NBA Finals (winning 3) before winning a 4th title in 2022.

That was all possible because the front office knew better than to listen to its players.

Remember they kept 70 percent of Moore/Garret's offense and MM added 30% of change to it

 

[kskboys]

if wins and losses are the determining factor of whether or not a player sucks and the value of a contract then we can make a list of players that don't meet standards. Wins are a TEAM stat. No QB does it on their own and more than any other sport they are impacted by the roster the GM has put together. Even the best QBs need help. Dak has had multiple shots at this and has been part of the failure equation but whether hes the main reason or just another pawn in the mess of the Jerry jones tree is a matter of perspective. Fans tend to put % on how much blame he should get based on how they feel about him.

I believe this fanbase is is terrible at evaluating reasons for success and failure but to each their own. Dak is paid more than anybody else in the league and hes far from the best but i dont blame him for the lack of TEAM success. the chiefs structured PH contract in a way they could still conduct business and get him a surrounding cast. If they are the standard we compare it to then Dak will never live up to the expectations placed on him by this fanbase. they draft better they are coached better and they have a generational talent at QB

Jerry Jones has shown year in and year out even with the money there hell bypass talent for T shirts. This is a 30 year failure and not a 9 year one. and no Dak is not Just as much to blame as Jerry nor was Romo. Jerry and Stephen stands alone at the top of the buffoonery that is this organization. Now Dak has lower extremity injuries that should concern all fans which is probably adds more gas to the stupidity fire of the contract.

We need a QB soon and were tied to him for 3 years minimum but we need alot more than just that hopefully this year marks a change and jerry steps out of his comfort zone and gets risky in FA. Micah has said hed take less money to get Miles Garrett Id jump at that but Im not GM. We need another WR threat and a RB,LB,Saftey and Id love to see Steele sent packing and they move Guyton over to his more natural spot.

When you add in Dak's bloated short term contract, then of course he's part of the reason for lack of success. There's simply no other way to look at it. Not the biggest problem, of course, that's our GM. But definitely part of the problem.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

if wins and losses are the determining factor of whether or not a player sucks and the value of a contract then we can make a list of players that don't meet standards. Wins are a TEAM stat. No QB does it on their own and more than any other sport they are impacted by the roster the GM has put together. Even the best QBs need help. Dak has had multiple shots at this and has been part of the failure equation but whether hes the main reason or just another pawn in the mess of the Jerry jones tree is a matter of perspective. Fans tend to put % on how much blame he should get based on how they feel about him.

I believe this fanbase is is terrible at evaluating reasons for success and failure but to each their own. Dak is paid more than anybody else in the league and hes far from the best but i dont blame him for the lack of TEAM success. the chiefs structured PH contract in a way they could still conduct business and get him a surrounding cast. If they are the standard we compare it to then Dak will never live up to the expectations placed on him by this fanbase. they draft better they are coached better and they have a generational talent at QB

Jerry Jones has shown year in and year out even with the money there hell bypass talent for T shirts. This is a 30 year failure and not a 9 year one. and no Dak is not Just as much to blame as Jerry nor was Romo. Jerry and Stephen stands alone at the top of the buffoonery that is this organization. Now Dak has lower extremity injuries that should concern all fans which is probably adds more gas to the stupidity fire of the contract.

We need a QB soon and were tied to him for 3 years minimum but we need alot more than just that hopefully this year marks a change and jerry steps out of his comfort zone and gets risky in FA. Micah has said hed take less money to get Miles Garrett Id jump at that but Im not GM. We need another WR threat and a RB,LB,Saftey and Id love to see Steele sent packing and they move Guyton over to his more natural spot.

I'm not entirely sure Dak has always been deprived of talent around him. He did have a young Zeke. Jerry went and got Amari SPECIFALLY to help. Gave him CeeDee.

I think maybe the line was suspect after Frederick left (which I also believe in several ways helped cause Zeke's quick demise). And the RB for the last couple years too. WR2 and 3...not particularly memorable.

I don't think Dak was good enough to take advantage of any of it. I think a good QB can take advantage of a couple stars and an average cast. MAke them look better than what they actually are. Dak never really did that.

All just my opinion, what do i know!

 

[triplets_93]

The Jones idiots were cheap even when Dak was on his rookie deal.

The Jones idiots have been cheap with outside free agents for YEARS.

The Jones idiots are cheap EVEN WITH COACHES, and there is no salary cap for coach contracts.

They paid Dak. Big whoop. They waited until the start of the season to pay him, BY DESIGN, so that they wouldn't have to spend another dime last offseason aside from CeeDee's deal.

They're a cheap and useless ownership group. Fans who blamed Dak or Dak's contract were essentially letting the Jones idiots off the hook for their lack of FA signings. Don't do that.

Many other teams paid their QB $50M+, and none of them were even close to as cheap as the Cowboys with outside free agents.

Jalen Hurts signed for $51M/year. The Eagles are ALSO paying AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and *drumroll please* Saquon Barkley. They also have maybe the best OL and best defense in the NFL.

But Dak and CeeDee are supposed to win big, all on their own, because they're the "highest paid" at their positions? Bull****.

SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!

I am not foolish.

Your assumption that I am foolish... is foolish.

 

[starfan1]

When you add in Dak's bloated short term contract, then of course he's part of the reason for lack of success. There's simply no other way to look at it. Not the biggest problem, of course, that's our GM. But definitely part of the problem.

I agree I think I said as much

 

[Kevinicus]

Well you should take a look at where Dak ranks vs winning teams. There are quarterbacks who people say that are better than he is who ranks WORSE than Dak vs winning teams. As a matter of fact, I believe Dak's record vs winning teams is in the top 10 of active quarterbacks over the last few years. If I'm wrong, then I stand to be corrected.

Now if I AM right about Dak's record vs winning teams ranking higher than some of the quarterbacks that are said to be better than Dak.....

What does that say about the quarterbacks who are ranked worse than Dak and supposedly better than Dak? What should I take from that?

TEAM record and QB performance are not the same thing.