Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

[thunderpimp91]

Were Jerry/Stephen any better when Dak was on his cheap rookie deal?

There's your answer.

Yes. They still didn’t go get top tier free agents but every year of daks rookie deal theybspent more on free agents than they did this past offseason and that’s with a salary cap significantly less than it was this past offseason. I posted the exact figures in post 99 of this thread.

There is a cap minimum teams have to hit so they’d be forced to spend at least a portion of Daks $60m per on other players.

 

[Nav22]

Yes. They still didn’t go get top tier free agents but every year of daks rookie deal theybspent more on free agents than they did this past offseason and that’s with a salary cap significantly less than it was this past offseason. I posted the exact figures in post 99 of this thread.

There is a cap minimum teams have to hit so they’d be forced to spend at least a portion of Daks $60m per on other players.

We wouldn't be any better off with a rookie QB, unless we hit on another stud rookie like we did with Dak.

Other teams pay their QBs and still spend big to surround that QB with top-tier talent. Like the Eagles.

Stop making excuses for Jerry and Stephen. They'd be cheap clowns no matter what.

 

[MojaveJT]

OP is the most unhinged poster on this forum. People like this give Cowboys fans a bad name.

Talk about second hand embarrassment lol.

 

[plymkr]

So according to your logic, Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles should have better contracts than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly, correct?

Dilfer and Foles have Superbowl rings and Kelly and Marino don't. So your logic tells me that Marino and Kelly were overpaid.

The post I was quoting justified paying Dak 60 million because Jalen makes 51 million.

Jalen just won his 2nd NFCCG in 3 years and he makes 51 APY. Dak has won 2 WC games in 10 years. Dak is overpaid.

I could care less about how much Kelly, Marino and whoever else you want to say gets paid what. Jalen and Foles and Dilfer showed up in the playoffs or did enough not to lose. Dak has been the Achilles heal of this team in the playoffs and is paid the most in NFL history. Dak is overpaid.

 

[thunderpimp91]

We wouldn't be any better off with a rookie QB, unless we hit on another stud rookie like we did with Dak.

Other teams pay their QBs and still spend big to surround that QB with top-tier talent. Like the Eagles.

Stop making excuses for Jerry and Stephen. They'd be cheap clowns no matter what.

Maybe, maybe not but I think you’re getting into two different conversations here talking about would the cowboys be better or worse without Dak vs Jerry needs to do a better job of bringing in talent.

To me the only way brining back Dak made any sense is if Jerry was willing to throw cash at the rest of the roster. If he’s not willing to do that I think the best way to try and compete is by locking up more good players and going with a budget qb. If you’re not willing to spend you just can’t realistically expect to compete the same way as a team like Philly does paying a good qb great money. A team with tight pockets needs to zig when the rest of the league zags, not follow trends.

 

[Blitzen]

The Jones idiots were cheap even when Dak was on his rookie deal.

The Jones idiots have been cheap with outside free agents for YEARS.

The Jones idiots are cheap EVEN WITH COACHES, and there is no salary cap for coach contracts.

They paid Dak. Big whoop. They waited until the start of the season to pay him, BY DESIGN, so that they wouldn't have to spend another dime last offseason aside from CeeDee's deal.

They're a cheap and useless ownership group. Fans who blamed Dak or Dak's contract were essentially letting the Jones idiots off the hook for their lack of FA signings. Don't do that.

Many other teams paid their QB $50M+, and none of them were even close to as cheap as the Cowboys with outside free agents.

Jalen Hurts signed for $51M/year. The Eagles are ALSO paying AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and *drumroll please* Saquon Barkley. They also have maybe the best OL and best defense in the NFL.

But Dak and CeeDee are supposed to win big, all on their own, because they're the "highest paid" at their positions? Bull****.

SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!

We would all love him to sell the team. The idea that Dak is a QB to build around is one of a litany of dumb decisions that Jerry has made. Dak is just a guy that plays solid QB and has had varying degrees of good and bad surrounding rosters. He could get Dilfer’ed into a SB win, but he’s never been a guy that I would want long term as a starter. The offensive line made him, and the past season exposed the team’s oncoming weaknesses and past strengths.

His mobility was already questionable and will get worse with each coming season. Next season will be further regression. Accept it. Yes, Jerry is the single biggest issue with having a championship team. Dak has contributed heavily to some of the biggest game losses-and it wasn’t solely Jerry’s fault. Lots of moving parts on a 53 man roster.

 

[plymkr]

You're silly.

Dak can learn a new offense/new terminology.

Dak advocated for his current HC like ALL players do publicly.

Micah did the same. Are you mad at him too?

It's the front office's job to make the best decisions, PERIOD!!!!!! I don't even care what Dak said.

Here's a quick history lesson for you:

The Golden State Warriors fired Mark Jackson as head coach in 2014.

The players, including Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green were FURIOUS. Jackson was their guy. He had turned the Warriors from a laughingstock into a playoff team.

The Warriors hired a guy named Steve Kerr. The star players weren't welcoming to Kerr AT ALL. They were still pissed about the Jackson decision.

Then Kerr installed his offense, and the Warriors took over the NBA, reaching the next 5 NBA Finals (winning 3) before winning a 4th title in 2022.

That was all possible because the front office knew better than to listen to its players.

Here’s a better history lesson for you. Dak gave Jerry a public ultimatum that if McCarthy isn’t “around then you can get rid of me too”. That’s not advocating, that’s an ultimatum. Now he publicly endorsed Schotty and Schotty got hired. Dak is using his position as the QB to influence decisions made by the front office. And to answer your question no I’m not mad at other players for advocating for McCarthy or whoever because it wasn’t an ultimatum in a contract year with an offseason coming up to negotiate.

If Micah said after the season and while the coaching staff was being discussed and the “search” was happening that “if you get rid of Zimmer then you are getting rid of me”. Yes I would be very angry about that just like I was angry with Dak last year. That’s ultimatum talk, not advocating or supporting.

But you haven’t answered my question. I didn’t ask if Dak can learn a new offense. I asked why won’t he.

 

[Nav22]

Maybe, maybe not but I think you’re getting into two different conversations here talking about would the cowboys be better or worse without Dak vs Jerry needs to do a better job of bringing in talent.

To me the only way brining back Dak made any sense is if Jerry was willing to throw cash at the rest of the roster. If he’s not willing to do that I think the best way to try and compete is by locking up more good players and going with a budget qb. If you’re not willing to spend you just can’t realistically expect to compete the same way as a team like Philly does paying a good qb great money. A team with tight pockets needs to zig when the rest of the league zags, not follow trends.

Both methods are guaranteed to fail.

Being cheap with a rookie QB vs being cheap with a highly-paid veteran QB.

 

[leeblair]

I don't know why Dak over Dallas fans can't live in a world where both Jerry and Dak are problems and suck at their jobs.

The issue I have is that, even as dumb as Jerry is, Jimmy proved that the Cowboys could achieve greatness.
So I blame Dak more than I blame Jerry.

 

[Nav22]

Here’s a better history lesson for you. Dak gave Jerry a public ultimatum that if McCarthy isn’t “around then you can get rid of me too”. That’s not advocating, that’s an ultimatum. Now he publicly endorsed Schotty and Schotty got hired. Dak is using his position as the QB to influence decisions made by the front office. And to answer your question no I’m not mad at other players for advocating for McCarthy or whoever because it wasn’t an ultimatum in a contract year with an offseason coming up to negotiate.

If Micah said after the season and while the coaching staff was being discussed and the “search” was happening that “if you get rid of Zimmer then you are getting rid of me”. Yes I would be very angry about that just like I was angry with Dak last year. That’s ultimatum talk, not advocating or supporting.

But you haven’t answered my question. I didn’t ask if Dak can learn a new offense. I asked why won’t he.

It's honestly hilarious to me that you think Jerry/Stephen care what Dak thinks.

Dak wants talented players around him too. Those idiots didn't even call Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley.

Was that Dak's decision?

Did Dak want them to spend an NFL-low $18M on outside free agents?

Dak "won't" learn a new offense because he isn't forced to. He isn't forced to because Jerry and Stephen are stupid.

So if the Warriors were dumb enough to stick with Mark Jackson, I take it the fans would be wise to blame Steph Curry for that?

 

[plymkr]

We’ll said

Thanks

 

[Nav22]

We would all love him to sell the team. The idea that Dak is a QB to build around is one of a litany of dumb decisions that Jerry has made. Dak is just a guy that plays solid QB and has had varying degrees of good and bad surrounding rosters. He could get Dilfer’ed into a SB win, but he’s never been a guy that I would want long term as a starter. The offensive line made him, and the past season exposed the team’s oncoming weaknesses and past strengths.

His mobility was already questionable and will get worse with each coming season. Next season will be further regression. Accept it. Yes, Jerry is the single biggest issue with having a championship team. Dak has contributed heavily to some of the biggest game losses-and it wasn’t solely Jerry’s fault. Lots of moving parts on a 53 man roster.

Nobody's pretending Dak hasn't sucked in some huge playoff moments. Last year vs GB was beyond awful.

But he entered 2024 coming off an All-Pro year. You don't have to like him, but All-Pro QBs get paid by their respective teams. Look around the league. It's just not realistic to gripe about that.

Your plan was to apparently let him walk, save that money and draft a new QB?

Cool. Even if he's good, Jerry and Stephen will be cheap and stupid, likely resulting in more early playoff exits.

 

[NFCBeasts]

The Cowboys could've spent $0 or $1000000 in free agency and Dak's contract would still be the 2nd worst contract in NFL history, only behind Deshaun Watson.

Dak is also a major reason a career loser coordinator like Brian Schottenheimer is the head coach right now. Because he values comfort and continually over accountability.

Dak got what he wanted and his fans (the very few left) have another excuse for his failures.

Dak Prescott is Jerry Jones in player form. He is about about nothing else but Dak Prescott.

Don’t waste your breath …Dak is still Joe Montana to a lot of folks around here

 

[NFCBeasts]

I repeat:

Look at what Jalen Hurts has around him, and compare that to what Dak has around him.

Not even remotely close.

BTW, Jerry and Stephen are THRILLED that fans like you would rather blame the QB than them.

Why are you for no reason starting a new thread defending Dak ? Do you ever not think about him ? It’s ok to admit you were wrong and he is not good and his contract will be an anchor around our necks …. all while Jerry won’t spend money. Both things can be true …

 

[thunderpimp91]

Both methods are guaranteed to fail.

Being cheap with a rookie QB vs being cheap with a highly-paid veteran QB.

Maybe but I think a cheaper QB with $30-50m to spend gives you better odds than overpaying a mediocre QB top of the market value and spending almost nothing else. Even if not a rookie QBs the Pittsburgh or Minnesota route is a viable option to get to the playoffs.

Washington is 17th lowest in cash spending this year and made it to the NFCCG. They’re about $7m lower than the cowboys. Houston is only about $15m more than the cowboys this year. Denver spent about the same as Dallas. Neither team is spending crazy with rookie qbs and having success.

Even some teams like Baltimore (26th lowest spend) the chargers (27th), Tampa (28th), Rams (30th) are all playoff teams despite big money qbs and not spending much.

I’d love to see Jerry spend more money, it’s supposed to be the advantage of being the Dallas Cowboys, but I can’t give players a pass for poor performance just because Jerry’s cheap. We can spin it however we want to fit a narrative but Dak didn’t play well in 2024 and is facing an uphill battle in 2025. The contract is absolutely a hindrance at this point in time.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Don’t waste your breath …Dak is still Joe Montana to a lot of folks around here

No one said this.

 

[Pantone282C]

Cowboys wanted continuity for Dak. It's why Shotty is HC and likely the play caller.

 

[Nav22]

Maybe but I think a cheaper QB with $30-50m to spend gives you better odds than overpaying a mediocre QB top of the market value and spending almost nothing else. Even if not a rookie QBs the Pittsburgh or Minnesota route is a viable option to get to the playoffs.

Washington is 17th lowest in cash spending this year and made it to the NFCCG. They’re about $7m lower than the cowboys. Houston is only about $15m more than the cowboys this year. Denver spent about the same as Dallas. Neither team is spending crazy with rookie qbs and having success.

Even some teams like Baltimore (26th lowest spend) the chargers (27th), Tampa (28th), Rams (30th) are all playoff teams despite big money qbs and not spending much.

I’d love to see Jerry spend more money, it’s supposed to be the advantage of being the Dallas Cowboys, but I can’t give players a pass for poor performance just because Jerry’s cheap. We can spin it however we want to fit a narrative but Dak didn’t play well in 2024 and is facing an uphill battle in 2025. The contract is absolutely a hindrance at this point in time.

Dak didn't play well this year. No doubt.

I'd still rather have a QB who I know can ball out in the regular season, like Dak has done for most of his career.

QB purgatory sucks. Commanders got lucky and those results aren't typical.

 

[Steve007]

The Jones idiots were cheap even when Dak was on his rookie deal.

The Jones idiots have been cheap with outside free agents for YEARS.

The Jones idiots are cheap EVEN WITH COACHES, and there is no salary cap for coach contracts.

They paid Dak. Big whoop. They waited until the start of the season to pay him, BY DESIGN, so that they wouldn't have to spend another dime last offseason aside from CeeDee's deal.

They're a cheap and useless ownership group. Fans who blamed Dak or Dak's contract were essentially letting the Jones idiots off the hook for their lack of FA signings. Don't do that.

Many other teams paid their QB $50M+, and none of them were even close to as cheap as the Cowboys with outside free agents.

Jalen Hurts signed for $51M/year. The Eagles are ALSO paying AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and *drumroll please* Saquon Barkley. They also have maybe the best OL and best defense in the NFL.

But Dak and CeeDee are supposed to win big, all on their own, because they're the "highest paid" at their positions? Bull****.

SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!! No matter how you spin it Dak's contract is horrible. His contract is just one of the bad (worst) decisions by the Jones boys. None of the current players will be playing in a NFC championship game for the Cowboys. The Cowboys won't get to the Superbowl with the Jones boys running the team.

 

[plymkr]

It's honestly hilarious to me that you think Jerry/Stephen care what Dak thinks.

Dak wants talented players around him too. Those idiots didn't even call Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley.

Was that Dak's decision?

Did Dak want them to spend an NFL-low $18M on outside free agents?

Dak "won't" learn a new offense because he isn't forced to. He isn't forced to because Jerry and Stephen are stupid.

So if the Warriors were dumb enough to stick with Mark Jackson, I take it the fans would be wise to blame Steph Curry for that?

Lol, why are you talking about the Warriors?

Anyway I think you’re either misunderstanding my point or purposefully trolling. I’m going to use Micah to get you off of Dak for a second. Its also very similar because Micah is in the last year of his deal and they will be working on an extension.

If today or tomorrow Micah goes on his podcast or at a press conference and says “ if D-Ware isn’t my position coach then you can count me out”. Or something to that effect.

To me as a fan I don’t want that player on my team anymore. I don’t want the players making statements that are ultimatums or can be misinterpreted as ultimatums. That is the player over stepping their boundaries and not staying in their lane. That’s the inmates running the asylum. Dak made a statement in a contract negotiating year that if the HC isnt brought back then I might as well be gone too.

Now to your point. Did the Jones listen to Dak about McCarthy or Schotty? I could care less. The optics are bad and it doesn’t do Dak any favors in the eyes of fans. Dak attached his name to McCarthy and now to Schotty. Dak doesn’t have the skins on the wall to make ultimatums. No one on this team does.

Again if Micah made a similar statement about Zimmer or does make a similar statement about D-Ware then what would you do. Like really what you think? What I would think is trade him for any picks we can get because I don’t want Micah on my team if he is only on the team when his demands are met. That screams loser mentality and screams entitlement, and those are 2 qualities I don’t want our team leader to have.