NY Daily News: Giants Have One Legit Contender (Commanders)

Proximo

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If for my life I needed a qb to win me one game tomorrow..i'm taking Eli over Dak. And that's the point of the dismissal of the Cowboys.

Well that's a bogus line of thinking if there ever was one.

Let's just disregard every other offensive unit and compare a successful vet QB to a rookie QB and dismiss the team with the rookie.
 

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Well that's a bogus line of thinking if there ever was one.

Let's just disregard every other offensive unit and compare a successful vet QB to a rookie QB and dismiss the team with the rookie.
This is about winning the division this year. So vet QB vs Rookie is pretty important no?
 

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This is about winning the division this year. So vet QB vs Rookie is pretty important no?

Certainly.

But this isn't Eli vs Dak. This is the Giants vs the Cowboys.

Are the Giants better right now with Eli than the Cowboys are with Dak?

I think that the Cowboys will win next Sunday. Do you think they'll win, or do you think they'll lose?
 

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Certainly.

But this isn't Eli vs Dak. This is the Giants vs the Cowboys.

Are the Giants better right now with Eli than the Cowboys are with Dak?

I think that the Cowboys will win next Sunday. Do you think they'll win, or do you think they'll lose?
I think we would have won with Romo and uncertain with Dak which I think is the point of the discussion.
 

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Kind of like we wanted Dak to sit this season. Things change so you have to go along with it. BTW how did they let Chip take the dude's GM job for a year? As much as I don't like praising anything Eagle related, he's got my vote for exec of the year.

Agree with first but never a kelly fan. Small gimmicks like the shotgun or 5 wideouts can change the league. Gimmick offenses don't last.
 

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Agree with first but never a kelly fan. Small gimmicks like the shotgun or 5 wideouts can change the league. Gimmick offenses don't last.

And this is why Chipsters best chance to make some noise in the post season was during his 1st year in the league. Gimmicks get figured out pretty quickly in the pros.

And his defense just couldn't hold up late in the season. Amazing the difference it makes when you can't dress 90 guys.
 

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I think we would have won with Romo and uncertain with Dak which I think is the point of the discussion.
Honestly it feels a lot like a coin flip to me. Our offense is probably a better over all unit even with Dak then their defense is. Their offense is better then our defense if their line holds up. Its just a question of which offense is just that much better then the opposing defense. I like our chances because our OLine is excellent, and is pretty easily the single best position group on either team.
 

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I didn't take offense to this article as dismissing the Cowboys. If I was the teams in our division I wouldn't be scared of Dak until he gets a couple of W's, and that will happen and they'll be scared. What I think is funny and what stood out to me is what this article was predicated on and all the contradictions. Basically this article said that due to Romo's injury and Bradford being traded and Cousins being a one year wonder we have the inside track on the division. That's a losers mentality. The article isn't saying how much improved the roster is and how good the team is going to play. It speaks mostly to the woes of the other teams in the division and how with those woes the Giants have a chance. It's also a contradiction when in one sentence the author says that Dak's preseason play isn't a concern because he's going against vanilla defenses. then a couple sentences later he says that the Giants lack of offense is not a concern because the preseason games don't count. Well which one is it? You can't dismiss Dak's play in the preseason while validating the Giants offense because it was the preseason. It was the preseason for every team, so if Dak is putting up huge numbers against vanilla defenses then Eli should have put up the same numbers against vanilla defenses. If he didn't then the giants have something to worry about that a rookie put up better numbers then your veteran against vanilla defenses.

The Giants may argue "well we didn't want to get Eli hurt so we didn't play him much in the dismissive preseason", and my counter to that would be if you had a solid offensive line then you wouldn't be worried about it. But the offensive line wasn't addressed in the article, I wonder why the author didn't allude to the play of the offensive linemen foir the upcoming season as why they will win the East. The author was too busy pointing out everyone else's injuries.

I'm not scared of any team that feels they can compete due to their competitors suffering injuries.
 

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Honestly it feels a lot like a coin flip to me. Our offense is probably a better over all unit even with Dak then their defense is. Their offense is better then our defense if their line holds up. Its just a question of which offense is just that much better then the opposing defense. I like our chances because our OLine is excellent, and is pretty easily the single best position group on either team.
Our OL didn't make enough difference last year without Romo. We'll see but it's why we are being downgraded until Dak proves himself.
 

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Our OL didn't make enough difference last year without Romo. We'll see but it's why we are being downgraded until Dak proves himself.

Well, our O line did make a pretty big difference last year as we had a very good running attack despite no passing game. One of the major differences is we have a healthy Dez this year and our RB situation is much better.
 

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Our WR, QB, and RB were also all lesser last year I think you'd be able to safely argue.
Our WR wasnt out whole season and our RB was 4th in the league in rushing. Not bad for not starting until the 6th game but none of it contributed but to 1 win without Romo.
 

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Well, our O line did make a pretty big difference last year as we had a very good running attack despite no passing game. One of the major differences is we have a healthy Dez this year and our RB situation is much better.
I agree but it still remains an unknown quantity until 9-11.
 

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This is why I just shake my head when I hear people apply those generalizations to Dak and the Cowboys.

This is not at all your normal "rookie QB being a starter week 1" situation. Dak has A LOT of foundation in this offense that he can and should lean on.

We can still win the division.

Can??? I honestly feel like we're the favorites. I expect a 10-6ish season.
 

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So I wonder how long Dak has to play well for people to stop with the "Did well against vanilla defenses" argument which BTW, is the same defense that everyone else faced yet no one looked nearly as good.

Bingo. Good catch. Also, people are trying to say ge will struggle like all other rookie QB's, but truth is, he will be leading a very talented offense. It's extremely rare for a rookie to be in this position.
 

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This is about winning the division this year. So vet QB vs Rookie is pretty important no?

Sure but with Bust Flowers and Pepe LePugh blocking for Eli he is not going to have time to throw, a running game to take the pressure off, and is going to get hit a lot. Eli gets the ball out quickly but he has a much tougher row to hoe.

We'll see how well defense by free agency works for them in 6 days.
 
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