Of Crystal Balls and Tea Leaves Part III

[erod]

Sure you can to an extent, you can show him on any given play what you were seeing and how you made the adjustment based on what you were seeing. Romo can't teach him instincts when things break down and pressure is coming but you know even Romo had to learn those things in doing so we saw Romo int to TD ratio improve.

There's more to it than that. Teams disguise their defense five different ways before the snap.

Romo is so good that he can recognize what is a bluff and what is real. That takes years and years of film study and experience.

 

[tyke1doe]

He can't. Running backs have to choose between 20-49.

I thought they waived that rule. Thanks for the info.

 

[erod]

I thought they waived that rule. Thanks for the info.

Receivers can now choose 10-19, not just 80-89.

I think this is right.
QB/K/P: 1-19
RB : 20-49
WR : 10-19, 80-89
TE: 40-49, 80-89
OL: 50-79
DL: 50-79; 90-99
LB: 50-59; 90-99
CB/S: 20-49

 

[Doomsday101]

There's more to it than that. Teams disguise their defense five different ways before the snap.

Romo is so good that he can recognize what is a bluff and what is real. That takes years and years of film study and experience.

Not saying it does not take time, it does but there is a lot Romo can help Prescott with in terms of making the reads at the line and helping to get the unit out of a bad play based on those reads. Some things Prescott like any other will have to figure out on their own by stepping out there and facing the defense. Not trying to say Romo will be able to turn Prescott into Romo 2.0 but there are things that Romo will be able to do just as others did with Romo. If Prescott is smart he will spend hours in the film room with Romo and picking his brain

 

[Silver N Blue]

22 was immortalized by Bob Hayes before Emmitt Smith

54 was immortalized by Chuck Howley before Randy White

88 was immortalized by Drew Pearson before Michael Irvin and Dez Bryant

Here's some triplets fun:

Troy (8) + Emmitt (22) + Irvin (88) = 118

Romo (9) + Zeke (21) + Dez (88) = 118

I get Hayes but he isn't the all time rushing champ and he doesn't have three rings. The all time rushing champ is what separates 22 from the other numbers...imo.

 

[jday]

Literally made me laugh out loud

Looks like we've found a new verb

I've used it before...I'm trying to make it stick.

I shango'd a few putts yesterday for sure.

That's a good way to have your membership revoked...just sayin...

 

[erod]

I get Hayes but he isn't the all time rushing champ and he doesn't have three rings. The all time rushing champ is what separates 22 from the other numbers...imo.

But Hayes changed defensive football forever. Emmitt had no such impact.

 

[erod]

Not saying it does not take time, it does but there is a lot Romo can help Prescott with in terms of making the reads at the line and helping to get the unit out of a bad play based on those reads. Some things Prescott like any other will have to figure out on their own by stepping out there and facing the defense. Not trying to say Romo will be able to turn Prescott into Romo 2.0 but there are things that Romo will be able to do just as others did with Romo. If Prescott is smart he will spend hours in the film room with Romo and picking his brain

Matt Ryan can't figure it out. Neither can Matt Stafford, Matt Schaub, or countless others with supreme physical abilities.

 

[Silver N Blue]

But Hayes changed defensive football forever. Emmitt had no such impact.

Still not the All Time Rushing Champ...no matter how you slice it.

 

[Sydla]

By mid-October, exactly 100 percent of our fan base will claim they wanted Zeke with the No. 4 pick.

Cowboy fans are conveniently malleable like that, and the internet is a cesspool of sudden expertism.

Unless Elliott runs for 2500 yards a year, I will never, ever suggest he should have been taken with the 4th pick.

 

[Stash]

If gurley could be drafted injuried and be productive I don't see how EE can't be productive when drafted healthy.

If EE has at least 1000 yards rushing we can call it a great rookie season.. Anything else is just the icing on top.

I can't fault the boys trying to recreate 2014 with EE, it worked.

Seriously? The team got 1,100 from McFadden, who didn't start until what? Week 7?

Gurley had 1,200 after missing essentially 4 games behind much less of an offensive line. Much less, as in 'not in the same league as this Cowboys line'.

If Elliott doesn't put up at least 1,300-1,500 yards, the investment wasn't worth it this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

Matt Ryan can't figure it out. Neither can Matt Stafford, Matt Schaub, or countless others with supreme physical abilities.

and I never said Prescott was a sure thing, I have said it can be a big help to him. He has skill sets that can serve him well and a lot of knowledge from coaches and player like Romo can help in the process but in the end he will have to eventually go out and execute it on his own. There are some who have already stated Prescott will fail, that could happen but I still think the fact he will get a chance to sit and learn will benefit him and give him a better chance than being in a situation where he is thrown to the wolves right away.

 

[darthseinfeld]

OK, so when does Garrapolo get good, and why did Denver give up on Osweiler? Farve wouldn't even talk to Rodgers.

I think Goff, Wentz, and Prescott will amount to Schaub, Foles, and Hoyer.

Denver didn't give up Osweiler, Osweiler didn't return their calls because he felt slighted they went back to Manning. Denver wanted to keep him

 

[Doomsday101]

Unless Elliott runs for 2500 yards a year, I will never, ever suggest he should have been taken with the 4th pick.

why not just say 3000 yards. Pretty much what ever he may do or help this team achieve you will just be against it.

 

[jday]

Unless Elliott runs for 2500 yards a year, I will never, ever suggest he should have been taken with the 4th pick.

This statement really honestly makes no sense whatsoever. If he averages 100 yards per game and is by extension instrumental in putting the Cowboys in the playoffs, any person with half a brain is going to say the Cowboys knocked that decision out of the ball park by taking Zeke in the first. Transversely, had the Cowboys traded back and ended up whiffing on Zeke who ultimately went to have similar success elsewhere, it would be the Moss conversation all over again.

 

[jday]

Seriously? The team got 1,100 from McFadden, who didn't start until what? Week 7?

Gurley had 1,200 after missing essentially 4 games behind much less of an offensive line. Much less, as in 'not in the same league as this Cowboys line'.

If Elliott doesn't put up at least 1,300-1,500 yards, the investment wasn't worth it this year.

So the posturing begins. Essentially what you are doing here is setting a standard that has a chance of making you right, regardless of how successful Zeke is overall with the Cowboys. Well played...I mean...it didn't work because I called you on it...but I can't blame you for trying.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Seriously? The team got 1,100 from McFadden, who didn't start until what? Week 7?

Gurley had 1,200 after missing essentially 4 games behind much less of an offensive line. Much less, as in 'not in the same league as this Cowboys line'.

If Elliott doesn't put up at least 1,300-1,500 yards, the investment wasn't worth it this year.

Key words, at least. So... basically you agree with me... You're just posturing semantics at this point. Why? We want the same thing friend.

 

[Stash]

So the posturing begins. Essentially what you are doing here is setting a standard that has a chance of making you right, regardless of how successful Zeke is overall with the Cowboys. Well played...I mean...it didn't work because I called you on it...but I can't blame you for trying.

Hardly. What I'm not doing is suddenly lowering the bar so that somehow, no matter what happens, this move looks brilliant.

The bar has been set.

Murray had 1,800 yards behind this line at the cost of a 3rd round pick and a $1.4 million salary.

McFadden has 1,100 with a 6-game late start costing $1.1 million.

Elliott cost the #4 overall pick and a salary of over $4 a year guaranteed.

The corresponding results had better be the, or no amount of Jerry-speak salesmanship or fan excuses will say otherwise.

Expectations are and should be high.

It's crystal clear which side of the argument now wants to "tap the brakes" and lower expectations.

 

[erod]

Seriously? The team got 1,100 from McFadden, who didn't start until what? Week 7?

Gurley had 1,200 after missing essentially 4 games behind much less of an offensive line. Much less, as in 'not in the same league as this Cowboys line'.

If Elliott doesn't put up at least 1,300-1,500 yards, the investment wasn't worth it this year.

Who cares about yardage? I care about wins.

 

[Stash]

Key words, at least. So... basically you agree with me... You're just posturing semantics at this point. Why? We want the same thing friend.

Not "posturing" anything.

The only thing I "agree" with you about are high expectations. The bar has been set and it's been set high.

If Elliott doesn't at least outperform what McFadden did by 200 yards, he wasn't worth it.

Setting the bar as low as 1,100 is giving both he and the Cowboys an out.