Of Crystal Balls and Tea Leaves Part III

[Stash]

Who cares about yardage? I care about wins.

Lower your own bar then. You, like others, are already making excuses.

Your diversion attempt fails.

 

[DBOY3141]

Receivers can now choose 10-19, not just 80-89.

I think this is right.
QB/K/P: 1-19
RB : 20-49
WR : 10-19, 80-89
TE: 40-49, 80-89
OL: 50-79
DL: 50-79; 90-99
LB: 50-59; 90-99
CB/S: 20-49

LB's can also choose 40-49.

 

[Stash]

This statement really honestly makes no sense whatsoever. If he averages 100 yards per game and is by extension instrumental in putting the Cowboys in the playoffs, any person with half a brain is going to say the Cowboys knocked that decision out of the ball park by taking Zeke in the first. Transversely, had the Cowboys traded back and ended up whiffing on Zeke who ultimately went to have similar success elsewhere, it would be the Moss conversation all over again.

And if he fails to live up to what not one, but two other tailbacks did behind this line, he's a failure.

And any talk otherwise "makes no sense whatsoever".

Some people want it both ways. Make claims to get their guy, get their guy, and then try to lower the expectations so he and the Cowboys 'win' no matter what happens. Fail.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Not "posturing" anything.

The only thing I "agree" with you about are high expectations. The bar has been set and it's been set high.

If Elliott doesn't at least outperform what McFadden did by 200 yards, he wasn't worth it.

Setting the bar as low as 1,100 is giving both he and the Cowboys an out.

No one disagrees about having high expectations about EE. My point was you just echoed what I said give or take a couple of hundred yards. So essientially you did agree with me, and that's agreed without the quotes.

 

[erod]

Unless Elliott runs for 2500 yards a year, I will never, ever suggest he should have been taken with the 4th pick.

What if he gets 1,500 yards and Dallas goes 12-4?

What if he rushes for 1,200 yards, but scores 20 touchdowns?

What if he rushes for 1,000 yards, but has 800 receiving yards?

Judging on rushing stats is ridiculous.

 

[Stash]

No one disagrees about having high expectations about EE. My point was you just echoed what I said give or take a couple of hundred yards. So essientially you did agree with me, and that's agreed without the quotes.

No, I patently disagree with what you stated here:

If EE has at least 1000 yards rushing we can call it a great rookie season.. Anything else is just the icing on top.

Given the pedigree of the player, the cost, and the investment made, that's not success, that's failure.

 

[erod]

Lower your own bar then. You, like others, are already making excuses.

Your diversion attempt fails.

Yes, winning is a minor detail. Lol, keep firing in the dark blindfolded.

 

[Stash]

What if he gets 1,500 yards and Dallas goes 12-4?

What if he rushes for 1,200 yards, but scores 20 touchdowns?

What if he rushes for 1,000 yards, but has 800 receiving yards?

Judging on rushing stats is ridiculous.

********! Ignoring stats is ridiculous.

The bar is clearly set. He either meets it or he and the move are a failure.

We're not suddenly lowering expectations after the move has been made, despite how you and some other people would now like to, in order to somehow be proven 'right'.

 

[Stash]

Yes, winning is a minor detail. Lol, keep firing in the dark blindfolded.

And you keep up with your limbo bar-lowering ********.

Expectations are high and they'll remain that way.

You lower your own if you want to, you don't get to for anybody else.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

By mid-October, exactly 100 percent of our fan base will claim they wanted Zeke with the No. 4 pick.

Cowboy fans are conveniently malleable like that, and the internet is a cesspool of sudden expertism.

Some of us dreamed about it before it happened...OP was not the only one.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/drafting-in-my-dream-talking-in-my-sleep-about-the-draft.347472/

 

[Stash]

Yes, winning is a minor detail. Lol, keep firing in the dark blindfolded.

If Elliott does his part and this team loses, it won't be because of him and he won't be blamed. He has his own set of expectations to live up to, and none of them includes winning or losing games single-handedly.

Your diversionary attempts again fail.

 

[erod]

Bull****! Ignoring stats is ridiculous.

The bar is clearly set. He either meets it or he and the move are a failure.

We're not suddenly lowering expectations after the move has been made, despite how you and some other people would now like to, in order to somehow be proven 'right'.

Wow, lol.

Fantasy football has really dumbed down the fan base.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Settle down with the language...don't care if the filter is catching it or not.

 

[erod]

If Elliott does his part and this team loses, it won't be because of him and he won't be blamed. He has his own set of expectations to live up to, and none of them includes winning or losing games single-handedly.

Your diversionary attempts again fail.

You simply don't understand football. Not my responsibility to teach it to you.

 

[Stash]

Wow, lol.

Fantasy football has really dumbed down the fan base.

You ought to know. You and your asinine threads polluting this forum are a big reason.

One dumb idea after another...

 

[Stash]

You simply don't understand football. Not my responsibility to teach it to you.

You're not in any position to teach anything to anybody.

Go clog up the forum with the next bad idea that comes to your mind.

 

[DFWJC]

By mid-October, exactly 100 percent of our fan base will claim they wanted Zeke with the No. 4 pick.

Cowboy fans are conveniently malleable like that, and the internet is a cesspool of sudden expertism.

Hey erod, just as favor to you I stared a Poll that asks everyone to say what they would have done.
Ideally, it would have been when we were on the clock, but that wasn't possible.
Anyway, at least you'll have documentation.

 

[jday]

Hardly. What I'm not doing is suddenly lowering the bar so that somehow, no matter what happens, this move looks brilliant.

The bar has been set.

Murray had 1,800 yards behind this line at the cost of a 3rd round pick and a $1.4 million salary.

McFadden has 1,100 with a 6-game late start costing $1.1 million.

Elliott cost the #4 overall pick and a salary of over $4 a year guaranteed.

The corresponding results had better be the, or no amount of Jerry-speak salesmanship or fan excuses will say otherwise.

Expectations are and should be high.

It's crystal clear which side of the argument now wants to "tap the brakes" and lower expectations.

I'm truly shaking me head on your logic here:

You are suggesting that Zeke should run for more yards than Murray did in 2014 and McFadden did in 2015 to determine rather or not the Cowboys made the right choice in drafting Zeke fourth overall. You suggest this despite the fact that the Cowboys played a completely different schedule in both 2014 and 2015, against different levels of competition, different teams and a completely different set of circumstances. How could you possibly pick out a number of yards that Zeke has to run for based on that nonsense and honestly think your findings would be either conclusive or remotely informative and a true measure of Zeke the player?

So let's say, Zeke does surpass McFadden but falls short of setting a new team single season rushing record in his rookie year, albeit with fewer carries than Murray, because let's face it, the Cowboys ran him in the ground; I don't see them making that same mistake again with the talent they have behind Zeke.

Are you going to stomp and shout, "You see, the Cowboys should have waited until the 3rd to find their Murray equivalent?" Because you have to keep in mind, in the NFL, you can only be drafted once, and Murray wasn't there in the 3rd round this year. Or are you going to make the laughable blanket statement, "In any given draft you can find a running back that will be successful behind that line in the 3rd round or later....this is law!"?

I'm just really curious about your special scientific method you have devised to determine Zeke's overall effectiveness. For you, it's all about running the ball. Screw protecting Romo. Screw screens and catching the ball out of the backfield. Who cares who you are in the locker room. The question is can you run through a hole for alot of yards in one season.

If you aspire to be a scout, I would probably keep that scientific method of yours to yourself during the interview.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

No, I patently disagree with what you stated here:



Given the pedigree of the player, the cost, and the investment made, that's not success, that's failure.

Whatever you say man, but you Agreed with me.

Agreed
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed

 

[Doomsday101]

all I can say is if Zeke production as a RB, receiver and blocker helps this team achieve the next level then to me it was all worth it. I don't have any set rushing number in mind, I do think with his talent and this OL he will be in the running as the top RB but more important than individual numbers is a players impact in helping a team achieve their goals of getting to a championship. I would say that about any positional player we took at #4.