Of Crystal Balls and Tea Leaves Part III

[Stash]

Whatever you say man, but you Agreed with me.
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed

Sure thing.

If you see that as agreeing, there's not much more to say.

 

[erod]

Sure thing.

If you see that as agreeing, there's not much more to say.

Folks are trying to help you. They really are.

You look really bad in this thread. I'm mean really, really bad. As in, Lesley Visser bad.

 

[Stash]

Folks are trying to help you. They really are.

You look really bad in this thread. I'm mean really, really bad. As in, Lesley Visser bad.

Coming from you, that's a compliment. Few people around here look worse or have less credibility than you do. Go start another thread where you blend fact and opinion where you're "90% positive".

 

[erod]

I'm truly shaking me head on your logic here:

You are suggesting that Zeke should run for more yards than Murray did in 2014 and McFadden did in 2015 to determine rather or not the Cowboys made the right choice in drafting Zeke fourth overall. You suggest this despite the fact that the Cowboys played a completely different schedule in both 2014 and 2015, against different levels of competition, different teams and a completely different set of circumstances. How could you possibly pick out a number of yards that Zeke has to run for based on that nonsense and honestly think your findings would be either conclusive or remotely informative and a true measure of Zeke the player?

So let's say, Zeke does surpass McFadden but falls short of setting a new team single season rushing record in his rookie year, albeit with fewer carries than Murray, because let's face it, the Cowboys ran him in the ground; I don't see them making that same mistake again with the talent they have behind Zeke.

Are you going to stomp and shout, "You see, the Cowboys should have waited until the 3rd to find their Murray equivalent?" Because you have to keep in mind, in the NFL, you can only be drafted once, and Murray wasn't there in the 3rd round this year. Or are you going to make the laughable blanket statement, "In any given draft you can find a running back that will be successful behind that line in the 3rd round or later....this is law!"?

I'm just really curious about your special scientific method you have devised to determine Zeke's overall effectiveness. For you, it's all about running the ball. Screw protecting Romo. Screw screens and catching the ball out of the backfield. Who cares who you are in the locker room. The question is can you run through a hole for alot of yards in one season.

If you aspire to be a scout, I would probably keep that scientific method of yours to yourself during the interview.

Allow me to add...

There's no statistical value of a play-action fake to an elite back, versus just Alfred Morris. There's not statistical value to recognizing a blitz off the back side and making an adjustment to protect Romo. Statistics are lost in games with big leads and rested starters in 4th quarters. There's no meaningful value in 100-yard rushing days at the end of 4-12 seasons.

Statistics are just shallow measurements for uneducated fans and sports talk hosts who are desperate to fill air time.

I don't want Zeke to rush for 2,000 yards because that means he had way too many carries. I don't want him rushing 30 times a game any more than I want Romo throwing 40 times a game.

I want wins. Period. Zeke gives Dallas a better chance for more of those than any player in the draft.

 

[erod]

Coming from you, that's a compliment. Few people around here look worse or have less credibility than you do. Go start another thread where you blend fact and opinion where you're "90% positive".

And you keep living in a world where Steve DeBerg, Phil Simms, Matt Hasselback, Dave Krieg, and Kerry Collins were better quarterbacks than Troy Aikman because they threw for more yards.

LOL

 

[jday]

Folks are trying to help you. They really are.

You look really bad in this thread. I'm mean really, really bad. As in, Lesley Visser bad.

It is at times like these I really miss good ole Hostile. He would have had a whole lot of fun on this thread.

 

[Stash]

And you keep living in a world where Steve DeBerg, Phil Simms, Matt Hasselback, Dave Krieg, and Kerry Collins were better quarterbacks than Troy Aikman because they threw for more yards.

LOL

Reductio ad absurdum.

The last resort for those not smart enough to engage in actual debate.

You're a failure pal.

 

[jday]

Allow me to add...

There's no statistical value of a play-action fake to an elite back, versus just Alfred Morris. There's not statistical value to recognizing a blitz off the back side and making an adjustment to protect Romo. Statistics are lost in games with big leads and rested starters in 4th quarters. There's no meaningful value in 100-yard rushing days at the end of 4-12 seasons.

Statistics are just shallow measurements for uneducated fans and sports talk hosts who are desperate to fill air time.

I don't want Zeke to rush for 2,000 yards because that means he had way too many carries. I don't want him rushing 30 times a game any more than I want Romo throwing 40 times a game.

I want wins. Period. Zeke gives Dallas a better chance for more of those than any player in the draft.

I could not have said it better myself, sir.

 

[Stash]

It is at times like these I really miss good ole Hostile. He would have had a whole lot of fun on this thread.

He and I are still close and talk quite a bit. Unlike others, he would have supported his position better than the poor attempts being made here. That's why even when we disagree, I always respect him.

 

[erod]

It is at times like these I really miss good ole Hostile. He would have had a whole lot of fun on this thread.

It's like checkmating somebody, taking their king anyway, running over it with a steamroller, and mailing it to ISIS. I don't know what else to do.

 

[jday]

Reductio ad absurdum.

The last resort for those not smart enough to engage in actual debate.

You're a failure pal.

lmao. So I'm guessing you probably are starting to realize how stupid you look on this thread, so you totally redeem yourself with breaking out Latin. Well done!

Non Circum Copulatis.

 

[erod]

He and I are still close and talk quite a bit. Unlike others, he would have supported his position better than the poor attempts being made here. That's why even when we disagree, I always respect him.

So you want me to support my position with "statistics" that haven't happened yet?

Reductio ad absurdum.

The last resort for those not smart enough to engage in actual debate.

You're a failure pal.

So Darren McFadden's stats were prime evidence, but these aren't?

You've painted yourself into a corner 12 times in one thread.

Now THAT is an impressive statistic.

 

[Stash]

I'm truly shaking me head on your logic here:

I bet there's a rattling sound when you do.

You are suggesting that Zeke should run for more yards than Murray did in 2014 and McFadden did in 2015 to determine rather or not the Cowboys made the right choice in drafting Zeke fourth overall. You suggest this despite the fact that the Cowboys played a completely different schedule in both 2014 and 2015, against different levels of competition, different teams and a completely different set of circumstances. How could you possibly pick out a number of yards that Zeke has to run for based on that nonsense and honestly think your findings would be either conclusive or remotely informative and a true measure of Zeke the player? [/qu9ote]

It's great that you want to bring up the word "nonsense" while trying (and failing) to give a player a free pass because he's not playing the exact same schedule under the exact same circumstances. Seriously? That's what you people now stop too? Because we can't have conditions in a vacuum, we now can't have expectations? Pathetic the lengths some people will go to.

So let's say, Zeke does surpass McFadden but falls short of setting a new team single season rushing record in his rookie year, albeit with fewer carries than Murray, because let's face it, the Cowboys ran him in the ground; I don't see them making that same mistake again with the talent they have behind Zeke.

Are you going to stomp and shout, "You see, the Cowboys should have waited until the 3rd to find their Murray equivalent?" Because you have to keep in mind, in the NFL, you can only be drafted once, and Murray wasn't there in the 3rd round this year. Or are you going to make the laughable blanket statement, "In any given draft you can find a running back that will be successful behind that line in the 3rd round or later....this is law!"?

I'll flip the "nonsense" back on you. You're claiming that there's nowhere else other than the #4 pick overall to get a running back?

I'm just really curious about your special scientific method you have devised to determine Zeke's overall effectiveness. For you, it's all about running the ball. Screw protecting Romo. Screw screens and catching the ball out of the backfield. Who cares who you are in the locker room. The question is can you run through a hole for alot of yards in one season.

If you aspire to be a scout, I would probably keep that scientific method of yours to yourself during the interview.

I'm dealing in measurables. An expectation that can be measured. A bar that can be held up. All leading up to the draft, there were all these claims of greatness and how great the player was. The next Adrian Peterson and all that. And now, people want it both ways.

"It's wrong to have expectations!" "You can't judge him based on that!" "What about all of these grey area things that can't be measured, like what a great guy he is in the locker room?"

"Nonsense" is a great choice of words, and a great description of the lengths fans will go to in order to lie to themselves and spare themselves from any possibility of disappointment.

This team has been successful with two previous running backs, neither of which comes close to the cost of acquiring this one.

If he doesn't produce to that level, both he, and the decision to invest so much in him, are a failure.

 

[Stash]

lmao. So I'm guessing you probably are starting to realize how stupid you look on this thread, so you totally redeem yourself with breaking out Latin. Well done!

Non Circum Copulatis.

Not as "stupid" as a guy starting a thread patting himself on the back for being half right...

 

[Stash]

So you want me to support my position with "statistics" that haven't happened yet?

Not at all. I just don't want to hear you or anybody else lowering expectations for those same things that "haven't happened yet". Maybe you get it now?

So Darren McFadden's stats were prime evidence, but these aren't?

You've painted yourself into a corner 12 times in one thread.

Now THAT is an impressive statistic.

What aren't? Your attempted point makes no sense.

 

[erod]

Not at all. I just don't want to hear you or anybody else lowering expectations for those same things that "haven't happened yet". Maybe you get it now?



What aren't? Your attempted point makes no sense.

You insistence on statistical proof is the entire issue at hand here. Even you forgot your point.

This must go over well with the Mrs.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Hardly. What I'm not doing is suddenly lowering the bar so that somehow, no matter what happens, this move looks brilliant.

The bar has been set.

Murray had 1,800 yards behind this line at the cost of a 3rd round pick and a $1.4 million salary.

McFadden has 1,100 with a 6-game late start costing $1.1 million.

Elliott cost the #4 overall pick and a salary of over $4 a year guaranteed.

The corresponding results had better be the, or no amount of Jerry-speak salesmanship or fan excuses will say otherwise.

Expectations are and should be high.

It's crystal clear which side of the argument now wants to "tap the brakes" and lower expectations.

We should be looking at TD's and 3rd & short pick-ups as well. Yards do not tell the whole story.

 

[jday]

He and I are still close and talk quite a bit. Unlike others, he would have supported his position better than the poor attempts being made here. That's why even when we disagree, I always respect him.

I've said something similar to hostile myself...

 

[jday]

I bet there's a rattling sound when you do.

Lmao.

 

[jday]

Not as "stupid" as a guy starting a thread patting himself on the back for being half right...

That's not what the thread was about Mr "zero chance the Cowboys draft Zeke.". Lol