Of Crystal Balls and Tea Leaves Part III

Irvin88_4life

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OK, so when does Garrapolo get good, and why did Denver give up on Osweiler? Farve wouldn't even talk to Rodgers.

I think Goff, Wentz, and Prescott will amount to Schaub, Foles, and Hoyer.

What are you taking about? Denver didn't give up on Brock he got away from them. We haven't seen Garrapolo play in a game and Favre was about Favre. What does that have to do with Prescott? You think Romo won't talk to Prescott haha your funny
 

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You insistence on statistical proof is the entire issue at hand here. Even you forgot your point.

This must go over well with the Mrs.

If that's what you got, that's on you. I'm requiring "statistical proof" after the season, as a means to measure whether or jot this player and the price paid were worth it.

Apparently, that offends some people who would rather lower the bar so that the player and team can't lose.
 

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We should be looking at TD's and 3rd & short pick-ups as well. Yards do not tell the whole story.

Baloney! They tell the story better than anything else does. The fact is that the 'Zeke Freaks' now want the bar lowered to be sure that their guy can hit it.

Not happening.
 

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Baloney! They tell the story better than anything else does. The fact is that the 'Zeke Freaks' now want the bar lowered to be sure that their guy can hit it.

Not happening.

You don't think TDs matter? They are what win games.

You can see a big difference from Murray's 13 to McFadden's 3 (from 12 wins to 4)
 

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Zeke will be better than Gurley. Most will say it's because of our line.
 

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You don't think TDs matter? They are what win games.

You can see a big difference from Murray's 13 to McFadden's 0 (from 12 wins to 4)

I agree.

Is that correct McFadden had zero td's? I never would've guessed that but, it adds up.
 

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Glad you can keep a sense of humor even when we disagree.

:thumbup:

The way I see it we are all Cowboys fans and by extension a family of a sort. If everyone agreed on this site, I would probably go else where for these discussions.
All appearances to the contrary.

The thread idea was more about my new prediction, but I like the turn it took. So I do appreciate your contribution even if you disagree with me.
 

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Zeke will be better than Gurley. Most will say it's because of our line.

On this, I'm not certain. I honestly think Zeke is the better all-around running back in the conversation whereas Gurley is the better pure runner. The comparison is somewhat like that old debate of who is better: Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders. Emmitt was clearly the better all-around running back, whereas Barry was clearly the better runner.
 

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Starting late March, as I read any and all things draft related, I came to the conclusion that the Cowboys should/would draft Zeke…had to draft him. In the scheme of things, it just made the most amount of sense that the Cowboys would recognize the approaching expiration date of Romo and make one final push to get it done, by giving him the ultimate weapon – an all-around excellent Running Back who is a threat to take it to the house on any given play at any given point on the field, by any means of ball distribution – toss, pass, handoff, screen, etc. That teamed with Romo, Dez, Witten, Beasley, etc would give opposing defensive coordinators too much to stop in one game.

Whereas, had the Cowboys drafted to please the so-called experts, they would have drafted a QB and defense and possibly a WR late. The latter draft, however, would have been a draft that essentially would tell Romo, “you had a nice run kid, but we are moving on.”

Why?

Because drafting defense regardless of where you take them typically do not contribute in any significant way in their first year. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, but those exceptions are rare…and I’m not even sure that immediate impact player was available in this draft. At least, not a guy who will fix what was broken on the Cowboys defense.

So, I made the prediction that should they draft Zeke, they will go to the playoffs. I further stated that they would give Zeke the #22 and that in an effort to be trite, Jerry would say something to the extent of, “When you put 88 with 22, you are going to get 110 percent.” Just sounds like something Jerry would say.

So let’s review: The Cowboys did draft Zeke and I shango’d all over myself. I ran around the house yelling “yes, yes, yes.” Leading up to the draft, I consistently heard the commish in my head saying, “With the fourth overall pick of the draft, the Dallas Cowboys select…(pause for effect)…Ezekiel Elliot Running Back Ohio State.” I heard it bouncing around my head over and over and knew that that was what I was going to hear when it actually happened. And then it happened. For the first time in my draft watching life, the Cowboys picked my pet cat.

Now, granted, I understand it’s not like I just guessed the winning lottery numbers. The odds in my favor of being right were somewhat decent, despite the supposed rule against drafting running backs in the first and the fact that they had already addressed the position in Free Agency with Alfred Morris. Furthermore, the Cowboys have yet to give the man #22, though, I am holding out hope that they will do so at some point prior to the season…no offense to the purist out there that are against ever seeing that number worn again. So, on that prediction, we are still in wait and see mode.

For the fun of it, though, I have yet another prediction to make:

As I was driving home in tumultuous weather last night and mulling over all the various arguments against Zeke that have sprouted up, a future Nike/other sports brand commercial popped in my head. One that is by no means in existence to my knowledge, but something I expect to see at some point in the playoffs following the upcoming season:

We hear Zeke narrating over a series of highlights from the past season. He starts with: They said I’m not AP. They said I’m not Todd Gurley. They said I’m not Emmitt Smith. They said I’m not worthy of the fourth overall pick. Everything they said…(pause for effect)…was right. I’m Zeke and I should have gone first overall.”

Blast away!

Zeke will pay off in the short term, there is no disputing that. Just like Henry would have paid off or Miller would have paid off if we took or signed them. But no doubt when Rogers or Cam is driving down the field to end our season while Zeke is sitting on the bench you will be wishing we might have gone in another direction. And certainly in 4 years when Romo is 100% toast and Zeke is on the downside of his career you will definitely be wishing we went defense.
Starting late March, as I read any and all things draft related, I came to the conclusion that the Cowboys should/would draft Zeke…had to draft him. In the scheme of things, it just made the most amount of sense that the Cowboys would recognize the approaching expiration date of Romo and make one final push to get it done, by giving him the ultimate weapon – an all-around excellent Running Back who is a threat to take it to the house on any given play at any given point on the field, by any means of ball distribution – toss, pass, handoff, screen, etc. That teamed with Romo, Dez, Witten, Beasley, etc would give opposing defensive coordinators too much to stop in one game.

Whereas, had the Cowboys drafted to please the so-called experts, they would have drafted a QB and defense and possibly a WR late. The latter draft, however, would have been a draft that essentially would tell Romo, “you had a nice run kid, but we are moving on.”

Why?

Because drafting defense regardless of where you take them typically do not contribute in any significant way in their first year. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, but those exceptions are rare…and I’m not even sure that immediate impact player was available in this draft. At least, not a guy who will fix what was broken on the Cowboys defense.

So, I made the prediction that should they draft Zeke, they will go to the playoffs. I further stated that they would give Zeke the #22 and that in an effort to be trite, Jerry would say something to the extent of, “When you put 88 with 22, you are going to get 110 percent.” Just sounds like something Jerry would say.

So let’s review: The Cowboys did draft Zeke and I shango’d all over myself. I ran around the house yelling “yes, yes, yes.” Leading up to the draft, I consistently heard the commish in my head saying, “With the fourth overall pick of the draft, the Dallas Cowboys select…(pause for effect)…Ezekiel Elliot Running Back Ohio State.” I heard it bouncing around my head over and over and knew that that was what I was going to hear when it actually happened. And then it happened. For the first time in my draft watching life, the Cowboys picked my pet cat.

Now, granted, I understand it’s not like I just guessed the winning lottery numbers. The odds in my favor of being right were somewhat decent, despite the supposed rule against drafting running backs in the first and the fact that they had already addressed the position in Free Agency with Alfred Morris. Furthermore, the Cowboys have yet to give the man #22, though, I am holding out hope that they will do so at some point prior to the season…no offense to the purist out there that are against ever seeing that number worn again. So, on that prediction, we are still in wait and see mode.

For the fun of it, though, I have yet another prediction to make:

As I was driving home in tumultuous weather last night and mulling over all the various arguments against Zeke that have sprouted up, a future Nike/other sports brand commercial popped in my head. One that is by no means in existence to my knowledge, but something I expect to see at some point in the playoffs following the upcoming season:

We hear Zeke narrating over a series of highlights from the past season. He starts with: They said I’m not AP. They said I’m not Todd Gurley. They said I’m not Emmitt Smith. They said I’m not worthy of the fourth overall pick. Everything they said…(pause for effect)…was right. I’m Zeke and I should have gone first overall.”

Blast away!

The ONLY reason we can say Zeke will have the impact that he will is because we have the best line in football. Zeke will amazing, and like you, I was jumping for joy. But none the less, it was bad value pick and wreaks of desperation. This pick did nothing for our biggest weaknesses. The reality is that we probably made our biggest strength a bit stronger. A pick only Jerry Jones and his band of jokers, or short term thinking pom pom wavers would champion as the best thing we could have done.
 

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Baloney! They tell the story better than anything else does. The fact is that the 'Zeke Freaks' now want the bar lowered to be sure that their guy can hit it.

Not happening.

Demarco Murray proved that with a healthy Romo, a poor defense and this line that a good back could take us to 12-4 and rush for 1800 yards and 15 TD's. So he needs to at the very least match those numbers as well as the teams.

But lets imagine for a second that we go 13-3 and he runs for 1950 yards and 18 TD's. So HOW did he really make us that much better? By 10 yards a game, 3 TD's and one more win? WOW!!!! what an impact. LOL

Thats what these low standard, win now, pom pom wavers dont understand. His overall affect will be minimal in the overall scheme. Now if we make it to the SB, I will eat plenty of crow.
 

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They decided not to pay a young QB that studied under Peyton Manning? And would rather have Mark Sanchez?

They offered him a contract which he said no and accepted the Houston deal which was less I believe. .....he wanted out. Had nothing to do with Denver wanting Sanchez
 

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They offered him a contract which he said no and accepted the Houston deal which was less I believe. .....he wanted out. Had nothing to do with Denver wanting Sanchez

Denver offered $16 million. Houston offered $18 million.

For a QB, neither is that much. Houston will regret it because he's not that good. He's check-down Charlie just like Weeden was.
 

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You don't think TDs matter? They are what win games.

You can see a big difference from Murray's 13 to McFadden's 3 (from 12 wins to 4)

I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying that yards matter too and shouldn't be disregarded.
 

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The way I see it we are all Cowboys fans and by extension a family of a sort. If everyone agreed on this site, I would probably go else where for these discussions.


The thread idea was more about my new prediction, but I like the turn it took. So I do appreciate your contribution even if you disagree with me.

Likewise.

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