Offseason musing. What would you take for Dak?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He is very good at the little he is asked to do. You see accuracy, I see a receiving crew who had the fewest drops in the league making acrobatic reaches for balls that are rarely thrown in the right spot to let the receiver continue. I see a quarterback who almost never throws with anticpation, always directly to the receiver and a tick too late... but the receivers are so open and the quarterback has so much time it almost never matters. You see situational awareness, I see locking on to receivers and never making it back across the field to the initial read, which is why we saw so many instances of receivers streaking downfield wide open and Dak missing them. You see ball protection, I see a quarterback who only had to attempt 16 passes(!) all regular season while trailing by more than one score and never had to attempt a risky pass... against one of the worst schedules in the league.

His entire performance was propped up by the unsustainable play of his teammates and once their play falls back down to normal levels, be it by injury, age, or just randomness he's going to turn back into a pumpkin because he does not have the arm talent or acumen to make up for it. He's just another fourth round dink and dunk guy playing under ideal conditions, and ideal conditions never last.

Dink and dunk means passes under 10 yards. His chart skews to the intermediate 10 to 20 yards. Look at Wentz's pass chart if you want to see what a dink and dunker is.

Witten does not have to speed or quickness that he once did and had to be thrown open. Beasley is a tiny target. TWill is a body catcher with a limited catch radius to say the least. Butler has mediocre hands. Dez is the only dynamic catcher and he missed significant time during which we didn't miss a beat.

Witten made some nice catches through coverage and Beasley had to reach behind him a time or two but this notion that TWill and Butler were having to make acrobatic catches is laughable. As often as he threw over the middle he would have had a lot more picks if he was having receivers having to reach awkwardly all the time.

Witten and Beasley had career years in YAC. You don't do that with an inaccurate QB. Nor do you have a 68% completion percentage that way either.

While Dak was not playing from behind often he did a few times like for example the SF game where he brought us back to win or the playoff game where he almost did. Nevermind that he was the one putting us in the lead in the first place.

As for locking onto receivers, that is absurd. He was given repeated accolades for his ability to look off S and get his guys open. Locking onto receivers leads to interceptions and he barely had any.

When receivers play better with a particular QB then it means that the QB makes his receiver better. It was sustainable for 16 games plus the preseason. That argument is for game to game not season to season anyway.

 

[rynochop]

From the teams like Cleveland that really need a QB? It would take their entire team, all of their cheerleaders, their next three drafts and every actor that appeared in the movie "Draft Day".

Does cleveland even have cheerleaders?

 

[DallasEast]

And here we are...comparing Romo, who didn't get his first start until his 4th year and has given us 10 years of abysmal playoff results to a true rookie?

Romo's career playoff results equal "abysmal."

Prescott' career playoff result equals... What's a word worse than "abysmal?"

 

[DallasEast]

Does cleveland even have cheerleaders?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/11/remember_when_the_cleveland_br.html

 

[black label]

He is very good at the little he is asked to do. You see accuracy, I see a receiving crew who had the fewest drops in the league making acrobatic reaches for balls that are rarely thrown in the right spot to let the receiver continue. I see a quarterback who almost never throws with anticpation, always directly to the receiver and a tick too late... but the receivers are so open and the quarterback has so much time it almost never matters. You see situational awareness, I see locking on to receivers and never making it back across the field to the initial read, which is why we saw so many instances of receivers streaking downfield wide open and Dak missing them. You see ball protection, I see a quarterback who only had to attempt 16 passes(!) all regular season while trailing by more than one score and never had to attempt a risky pass... against one of the worst schedules in the league.

His entire performance was propped up by the unsustainable play of his teammates and once their play falls back down to normal levels, be it by injury, age, or just randomness he's going to turn back into a pumpkin because he does not have the arm talent or acumen to make up for it. He's just another fourth round dink and dunk guy playing under ideal conditions, and ideal conditions never last.

 

[Brooksey]

Using multisyllables is ad hominem? Maybe it makes some feel stupid but I never intend that nor call people that. I am well read and use the words correctly and efficiently. Deal with it.

Ad hominem is attacking someone you are arguing with's character and making that the basis of your argument. For example making their vocabulary a negative and accusing them of intimidation would be an example of ad hominem.

I like how you accuse me of classless behavior and then tell me to relax though. You like turning things up on their head apparently.

As for Brady, as I said before, judging everything on a single game that doesn't even have a common opponent is asinine. If you look at the aggregate of passing yards, efficieny, and scoring the two season are not comparable.

Calling you our for what you are doing to people on the forum is not ad hominem, it's common sense. He blew a hole in your story and you attacked him not the story, that's ad hominem, just like I said the first time. Learn how to read genius.

 

[Brooksey]

I never said that Brady wasn't good.

Grandstanding on individual games is dumbing things down nicely though. Then we look at the stats for the relative seasons and you quickly see that he was setting league records for yards and points one season and not even close the other.

Individual games? Brady has done it all year and most of his career. Records and great seasons are two different things.

 

[Brooksey]

I wouldn't take the farm and then some to trade Dak and roll with Romo. We struck gold in the 4th round last April with the most valuable piece to any SB team, a franchise QB and there's been threads with some wanting to trade him away. You trade Dak and roll with Romo we can say goodbye to even sniffing the playoffs because Romo isn't going to stay healthy and we would likely find ourselves in a similar situation to what we were in, in 2015. Whatever you get for Dak in a trade, you would be giving it all away and probably then some trying to find another franchise QB. You could be coughing up draft picks for years trying to replace what you found in the 4th round.

Health permitting we have a QB for the next 10 plus years that could lead us to where the Cowboys haven't been in 21 years. You can't roll with Romo who'll be 37 by the start of next season and can't stay healthy. We would be rolling to a stop with him every time he gets hurt. We have all the pieces to win a championship on offense, we just need pass rushers and a playmaker in the secondary.

You're a Romo hater, always have been. Romo chokes when it matters most right Mr. KJJ? He chokes in elimination games right?

On the other hand what they are saying is if we get #1, #12 and #33 from Cle, next years #1 plus we own #28 that's 4 first round picks for the defense this year including Myles Garett and Jaylon Smith. All of a sudden Trent Dilfer from the booth can take us to a SB. It's the Hershel Walker trade you were dreaming about for the defense the other day, It's just your boy Dak, lol

 

[percyhoward]

He's just another fourth round dink and dunk guy playing under ideal conditions, and ideal conditions never last.

Which of the two groups of QB below contains the true dink-and-dunkers?

% of attempts beyond 10 yards
Group A
Prescott 32.0%
Ryan 31.3%
Rodgers 30.3%
Brady 29.6%

Group B
Wentz 27.7%
Stafford 25.8%
Smith 24.7%
Bradford 22.5%

air yards per attempt
Group A
Ryan 4.8
Prescott 4.7
Brady 4.2
Rodgers 3.9

Group B
Stafford 3.5
Bradford 3.3
Smith 3.2
Wentz 3.2

YAC as a % of total yards
Group A
Prescott 41.8%
Rodgers 46.1%
Ryan 48.1%
Brady 49.3%

Group B
Wentz 48.4%
Stafford 51.5%
Bradford 52.5%
Smith 54.9%

passer rating (15+ yards in air)
Group A
Prescott 128.7
Brady 125.0
Ryan 125.0
Rodgers 98.8

Group B
Bradford 110.8
Stafford 92.6
Smith 78.5
Wentz 58.9

 

[Brooksey]

Which of the two groups of QB below contains the true dink-and-dunkers?

% of attempts beyond 10 yards
Group A
Prescott 32.0%
Ryan 31.3%
Rodgers 30.3%
Brady 29.6%

Group B
Wentz 27.7%
Stafford 25.8%
Smith 24.7%
Bradford 22.5%

air yards per attempt
Group A
Ryan 4.8
Prescott 4.7
Brady 4.2
Rodgers 3.9

Group B
Stafford 3.5
Bradford 3.3
Smith 3.2
Wentz 3.2

YAC as a % of total yards
Group A
Prescott 41.8%
Rodgers 46.1%
Ryan 48.1%
Brady 49.3%

Group B
Wentz 48.4%
Stafford 51.5%
Bradford 52.5%
Smith 54.9%

passer rating (15+ yards in air)
Group A
Prescott 128.7
Brady 125.0
Ryan 125.0
Rodgers 98.8

Group B
Bradford 110.8
Stafford 92.6
Smith 78.5
Wentz 58.9

I would say Wentz but I believe that is by design

 

[percyhoward]

I would say Wentz but I believe that is by design

If I had to crown a King Dink, it would be Smith. But my point was to list some characteristics of QB who clearly depend on short passes (B) vs. those who clearly don't (A).

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Romo's career playoff results equal "abysmal."

Prescott' career playoff result equals... What's a word worse than "abysmal?"

DallasEast

 

[DallasEast]

DallasEast

lol. No, really, is there another word worse than "abysmal?"

 

[percyhoward]

I see a quarterback who only had to attempt 16 passes(!) all regular season while trailing by more than one score and never had to attempt a risky pass... against one of the worst schedules in the league.

Dallas faced the 11th-most difficult schedule of defenses in 2016.

trailing
Ryan 122 of 181 1662 yd 13 td 2 int 115.8
Prescott 126 of 194 1563 yd 12 td 1 int 108.2
Brady 87 of 124 1016 yd 7 td 2 int 106.8
Rodgers 210 of 318 2372 21 td 6 int 102.3

trailing by > one score
Prescott 21 of 36 334 yd 4 td 1 int 114.8
Rodgers 107 of 158 1298 yd 11 td 5 int 102.8
Ryan 28 of 42 340 yd 2 td 1 int 97.3
Brady 28 of 43 257 yd 2 td 1 int 87.1

 

[dogunwo]

Oh come on...If Cleveland were to offer us both their #1's...We would jump all over this.

First we would draft Myles Garrett w/ the top pick....

then sitting @ 1/12 and 1/28....you could package both of those picks and get a Mitch Trubisky QB N. Carolina who is probably a better player in the long run.

Should we...without a doubt. But would we???? Funny how Jerry lost his gambling spirit after Jimmy left. Doesn't take a genius to figure out who was really running the Cowboys in the 90's

I don't think you are right about this. A franchise QB is the most valuable thing to find in a draft. They think they found one. You don't trade that away for a "chance" at another one.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

lol. No, really, is there another word worse than "abysmal?"

I don't know....lost my dictionary during a home invasion last week.

I just have to point out again that we're comparing a rookie to a 14 year vet.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't know....lost my dictionary during a home invasion last week.

Thieves suck. I hope they are caught. Thank goodness for sites like merriam-webster.com.

I just have to point out again that we're comparing a rookie to a 14 year vet.

True. Using a direct or inferred counter-argument that Romo's playoff results were worse than Prescott's isn't sound according to the team's winning percentage formula for each respective quarterback though.

 

[DFWJC]

I think the tally of threads suggesting we try to cash in by trading Dak is up to 4 now.

Pretty mind-boggling stuff.
Folks are way too bored this time year.
Get a hobby

 

[DallasEast]

I think the tally of threads suggesting we try to cash in by trading Dak is up to 4 now.

Pretty mind-boggling stuff.
Folks are way too bored this time year.
Get a hobby

I think it's not a stretch suggesting boredom isn't the motivation for some folks who are creating the threads.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Thieves suck. I hope they are caught. Thank goodness for sites like merriam-webster.com.
.

I believe that was also taken. You're just gonna have to do your own homework this time, bro.

True. Using a direct or inferred counter-argument that Romo's playoff results were worse than Prescott's isn't sound according to the team's winning percentage formula for each respective quarterback though.

Oh...I'm tracking, bro. Romo is Montana to Prescott's Dalton in terms of post-season success rate.

It's a darn shame Dak doesn't potentially have another 10-15 years to improve on it. He could have done the impossible after all those years and bring home 2 Big Wild card wins! Imagine....looking up at that "20XX NFC Wild Card Weiners" banner in Jerry World.