Offseason musing. What would you take for Dak?

[percyhoward]

If anything, the article basically confirmed what I have said all along: he's good at throwing to wide open guys and not nearly as good with tight windows. Doesn't exactly sound like a recipe for long term NFL success.

Again, those weren't "wide open" receivers, but receivers with exactly one step of separation. What you might call "NFL open." We know these weren't easy throws because the draft class average for accuracy was 49.8%. (Maybe you can explain why Dak was nearly 13 percentage points better?) The author said teams largely ignored this in their evaluations. That was the point of the article, to explain why a QB who should have gone in the top 5 lasted until the 4th round.

And no this is not what you've said all along. You said Prescott was "just another 4th-round dink and dunk guy." You're actually trying to validate his being drafted way too low. The article doesn't confirm that, it confirms the opposite, saying that he was the most accurate QB in his class on intermediate throws with any separation at all -- which was 80% of all charted throws -- and that teams didn't do enough homework on Prescott. The article's right.

 

[Brooksey]

Don't know if you're being serious with some of that so I won't comment but Romo is aging and can't play a full 16 game season. Can some of you not see that? I feel he's down to 2 years at best and anyone who would trade Dak regardless how much you were to get in return would be out of their minds. There isn't a more difficult thing in the NFL than finding a franchise QB and Dak proved to me this past season with his poise, leadership, consistency, mobility, ability to read defenses and making smart throws and avoiding turnovers that he's a bonafide franchise QB. There isn't anything you could get in return that would have the positive impact a potentially great QB can have on your franchise. We just went from 4-12 in 2015 due to a poor QB situation to a 13-3 team because of our improved QB situation.

The Cowboys are a QB dependent team that prior to the 2016 season only won ONE game since 2011 without Romo. The team went 1-11 without him in 2015. At this stage in his career with injury issues that have put him on the sidelines for a season and half worth of games we can no longer count on him. I don't care who you add to our defense we're not going to win games without a solid, consistent QB. Regardless of your defense you still have to move the football and score points in this league to win games. The Texans had the #1 defense this past season and got knocked out of the playoffs because of their QB situation. You don't try and build your defense by sacrificing your most important player, your franchise QB. A Trent Dilfer isn't going to win games for the Cowboys unless you build the 2000 Ravens defense which was one of the all-time greatest defenses.

There's no assurances Jaylon Smith will ever come back from that injury and be a great NFL player so you certainly can't bank on him. It's going to take more than a Miles Garrett to make a huge impact on our defense because one great player doesn't make a great unit, we found that out with Demarcus Ware who was one of the all-time greats. If we want to build a championship team we need to keep our offense in tact which is championship caliber and start building the defense by adding pass "rushers" and a playmaker to our secondary. Dak is going to be a top 5 QB within 2-3 years if not sooner and you don't dare trade him away leaving yourself with an aging injury prone QB who hasn't lasted 2 games the last 3 times he saw significant action. Thank goodness some of you on this board don't own the team.

Well yes some of this is humor, it's February. The whole idea is nuts but what else is there to do? Pray we might get Taco Charlton or D. Barnett in the draft room? The question is what would KJJ need for Dak? I'm assuming Dak is your franchise QB and he's not tradable at any cost. That's fine, I can respect that. At the end of the day, that's the safe and smart play.

On the other hand some are not 100% sold on Dak and some believe Romo still has three years, hence the talk of a Dak mega-trade for a championship defense.
What would I do? I would probably laugh and keep Dak but I don't have the inside intel on draft picks. If McClay loved another QB in the draft and Cleveland was interested, it would have to be a pure mugging to consider it, bigger then the H Walker trade. Walker was a RB, Dak is a QB.

 

[KJJ]

Strange. I said Romo was leaving Dallas once the 2016 season ended after his speech back last November.I assumed Romo would be the best option this past season after he returned from injury. No rookie quarterback has ever led an offense on an NFL championship team. Ergo...

The 2016 season has concluded. Romo will be playing on another team next season. Are you saying I want Dallas to lose after Romo leaves? That would be a falsehood, KJJ.

I have no idea what you were saying but I saw your name in Romo's corner on every Romo/Dak poll saying Romo should take over when he was healthy despite how well Dak and the team were playing. I said in preseason immediately after Romo got hurt that if Dak continues his great play during the regular season, the starting job was his to lose and Romo would never get it back. I said after the Green Bay win that this was now Dak's team and that Romo is done as the starter unless Dak gets injured. I didn't need to hear Romo's speech to know this was Dak's team, that became evident weeks before Romo's press conference.

I'm not saying anyone wants the Cowboys to lose once Romo is gone but there are some of his FANS who would rather see him get one last hurrah as our starter even if it means losing with him. They feel sorry for him and it clearly bothers some with the way he lost his job due to injury. They feel he should be given the right to compete this summer with Dak to try and get his job back and many of his FANS would be pulling for him. I've read a number of posts where many FANS don't like Dak's short passing game. Some are so off base they've tried comparing him to Kyle Orton which is ludicrous. I think Dak is the best QB since Troy Aikman, he's got the qualities that are going to make him a great NFL QB.

Some have to remember, he was being prepared to be our backup for most of training camp and preseason. With him now entrenched as our starter going forward, he'll be prepared all during the offseason and training camp as the starter which will make him even better next season. As he gains experience, he'll be taking more shots down the field and I expect 30+ TD's passes from him next season health permitting. He had 3 TD passes called back this past season due to penalties. Dak was just scratching the surface this past season, I'm convinced he will be a top 5 QB in the not so distant future. He has all the qualities necessary to be that type of QB plus he has the talent around him to be that type of QB.

 

[KJJ]

Did you get that from a Cracker Jack box?

Still looking for trouble? Like you haven't gotten yourself in enough trouble the past few months. lol You never bring anything positive to the board you just constantly complain.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

Hard to say. Think about what team's traded for QB's like RG3? And that's for a player that hadn't even proven himself in the league even a year just the hope he does. Or team's that fail time and time again like the Jets or Minnesota? We have a guy that showed great poise and promise. Dak thrived in this system his first year. Has there character to do it again. I'd be livid if he was traded. It would take getting Coach B and Brady in his prime. That's it.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Again, those weren't "wide open" receivers, but receivers with exactly one step of separation. What you might call "NFL open." We know these weren't easy throws because the draft class average for accuracy was 49.8%. (Maybe you can explain why Dak was nearly 13 percentage points better?) The author said teams largely ignored this in their evaluations. That was the point of the article, to explain why a QB who should have gone in the top 5 lasted until the 4th round.

And no this is not what you've said all along. You said Prescott was "just another 4th-round dink and dunk guy." You're actually trying to validate his being drafted way too low. The article doesn't confirm that, it confirms the opposite, saying that he was the most accurate QB in his class on intermediate throws with any separation at all -- which was 80% of all charted throws -- and that teams didn't do enough homework on Prescott. The article's right.

He didn't go in the top 5 because he's a 4th round dink and dunk guy. He had average arm strength, poor footwork and other problems that made teams wary of him. Nobody cared how good he was at throwing to wide open guys in college because college is not NFL football. I barely even watch college football, so I am not sure why I am on the middle of a discussion about it. He's a 4th round dink and dunk guy because that's what he is. There's nothing you or I can do about it... and certainly nothing an article about college football can do about it.

 

[rambo2]

Don't know if you're being serious with some of that so I won't comment but Romo is aging and can't play a full 16 game season. Can some of you not see that? I feel he's down to 2 years at best and anyone who would trade Dak regardless how much you were to get in return would be out of their minds. There isn't a more difficult thing in the NFL than finding a franchise QB and Dak proved to me this past season with his poise, leadership, consistency, mobility, ability to read defenses and making smart throws and avoiding turnovers that he's a bonafide franchise QB. There isn't anything you could get in return that would have the positive impact a potentially great QB can have on your franchise. We just went from 4-12 in 2015 due to a poor QB situation to a 13-3 team because of our improved QB situation.

The Cowboys are a QB dependent team that prior to the 2016 season only won ONE game since 2011 without Romo. The team went 1-11 without him in 2015. At this stage in his career with injury issues that have put him on the sidelines for a season and half worth of games we can no longer count on him. I don't care who you add to our defense we're not going to win games without a solid, consistent QB. Regardless of your defense you still have to move the football and score points in this league to win games. The Texans had the #1 defense this past season and got knocked out of the playoffs because of their QB situation. You don't try and build your defense by sacrificing your most important player, your franchise QB. A Trent Dilfer isn't going to win games for the Cowboys unless you build the 2000 Ravens defense which was one of the all-time greatest defenses.

There's no assurances Jaylon Smith will ever come back from that injury and be a great NFL player so you certainly can't bank on him. It's going to take more than a Miles Garrett to make a huge impact on our defense because one great player doesn't make a great unit, we found that out with Demarcus Ware who was one of the all-time greats. If we want to build a championship team we need to keep our offense in tact which is championship caliber and start building the defense by adding pass "rushers" and a playmaker to our secondary. Dak is going to be a top 5 QB within 2-3 years if not sooner and you don't dare trade him away leaving yourself with an aging injury prone QB who hasn't lasted 2 games the last 3 times he saw significant action. Thank goodness some of you on this board don't own the team.

Didn't Romo play 17 games in 2014?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dak has shown the ability to read defenses through 4+ in the progression, operate under center, throw with touch and accuracy, limit turnovers, and run play fakes better or equal to anyone in the league. About the only thing he doesn't do well is throw the deep ball but there are HoF quarterbacks like Aikman, Montana, and Stabler than threw mediocre deep balls. He did all of that without having to rely on his feet like flash in the pans like RG3 and Kaepernick

If you want to say that he needs to show you that he can do it again then fine but he has shown the skillset of an NFL QB and the work ethic to make good on it. Most players make their biggest improvements from their first to second year. It is scary how good he could be if he follows suit.

Romo has back issues and is 36 years old. Dredging up Bridgewater's horrible knee injury and pretending that makes Dak an equal risk is absurd. Romo is going; might as well get accustomed to the idea.

I mean.... I know Romo is gone. The point of this thread is what would you take for Dak. And I've told you a deal I'd run not walk to the commissioner's office.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I saw plenty from Dak this past season to be convinced he's a franchise QB. He looked great in preseason and throughout the entire regular season. In the playoffs he was statistically better than Aaron Rodgers. Dak had the greatest rookie season ever at the QB position. His maturity level on and off the field has me extremely confident we have our QB. You're gambling that those three elite prospects will become elite NFL players. The chances of all three panning out are slim.

Romo isn't going to last a full season the next two seasons. You'll end up stuck like we were in 2015 using backup QBs. There isn't a more difficult position to solidify than the starting QB position. Just look at what Cleveland has been going through ever since Bernie Kozar. All QBs can be injured but Romo is aging and you really can't look past next season with him. If you got two relatively healthy years out of him you would be lucky. I wouldn't trade Dak for anything and I sincerely mean that.

Why is the old adage you can't judge a draft class for 3 years?

What does that mean to you?

 

[rambo2]

I think that they should have put Romo back in as the starter this past year. If they would have done that they might have made it to the Super Bowl this year and they for sure would be able to keep both Romo and Dak for the next couple of years. They made a mistake because they are now going to lose Romo. They could have kept both.

 

[DFWJC]

Just a note from a side issue that popped up here regarding playoffs wins, by the TEAM.

With a team loaded with young pro bowlers on offense and a young defense that will get built upon and better, I absolutely expect Dallas to have more playoff succes the next 10 years than they had the last 10.
It's a great situation for the team and Dak, and they/he will capitalize.
If you get enough chances, and I think they will, you eventually break through.

I doubt he will ever play on teams in the same universe to as crappy as we had in 2010-2013.
The chances will consistently be there, and the odds are in our favor

In other words, it's not rocket science to say we will and should eventually go further in the playoffs with Dak than we did with Tony. Nothing to do with Tony or Dak negatively....the overall teams will be consistently better. That has been the case since 2014 and carried over to an even better unit this year in 2016.
Both teams came inches from advancing to the NFC title game. With a young team, it looks like there should be plenty more opportunities.
Knock on that door consistently and it's going to come down.
It's gonna happen folks.

 

[KJJ]

Well yes some of this is humor, it's February. The whole idea is nuts but what else is there to do? Pray we might get Taco Charlton or D. Barnett in the draft room? The question is what would KJJ need for Dak? I'm assuming Dak is your franchise QB and he's not tradable at any cost. That's fine, I can respect that. At the end of the day, that's the safe and smart play.

On the other hand some are not 100% sold on Dak and some believe Romo still has three years, hence the talk of a Dak mega-trade for a championship defense.
What would I do? I would probably laugh and keep Dak but I don't have the inside intel on draft picks. If McClay loved another QB in the draft and Cleveland was interested, it would have to be a pure mugging to consider it, bigger then the H Walker trade. Walker was a RB, Dak is a QB.

Some here who aren't sold on Dak, have Romo ranked ahead of Staubach and Aikman and many who aren't sold on him never get anything right. If you look at some of their comments as to why they aren't sold on him, it's obvious they don't know what they're talking about. Some are pointing to RG3 and Kap but neither of those QBs could handle adversity or read defenses and play as mistake free as Dak. Dak had only one real bad game the entire season and that was in the second Giants game. You can tell by the way he handles the media after losses the maturity he has. The guy exudes leadership and it's brought the Cowboys together. We're on to something big if we can build a solid defense.

In the games we've gotten behind this season I never felt we were out of them with Dak. Despite his great mobility, he's a pass first QB who maintains himself as a passer until the very last second. He picks his spots to run and knows how to get down and avoid punishment. I wouldn't trade him for ANYTHING because I see something special with him. Draft picks are rolls of the dice and we hit the powerball with Dak in the 4th round. His selection shows what a gamble the draft is. We still have a long way to go with Dak but he could be the next Tom Brady for all we know and NO WAY do you trade away a QB that has that type of potential.

 

[KJJ]

Didn't Romo play 17 games in 2014?

Yes he did and that was 2 seasons ago and he even missed a game that season with an injury. Since that season he hasn't lasted 2 games the last 3 times he's seen significant action. He was injured in week 2 of the 2015 season, missing 7 straight games and was re injured in his second game back causing him to miss the rest of that season. He only appeared in 2 preseason games this past summer, attempting only 6 passes before breaking his back.

 

[rynochop]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/11/remember_when_the_cleveland_br.html

That 1971 team was the best team they've fielded.ha

 

[DallasEast]

I have no idea what you were saying but I saw your name in Romo's corner on every Romo/Dak poll saying Romo should take over when he was healthy despite how well Dak and the team were playing. I said in preseason immediately after Romo got hurt that if Dak continues his great play during the regular season, the starting job was his to lose and Romo would never get it back. I said after the Green Bay win that this was now Dak's team and that Romo is done as the starter unless Dak gets injured. I didn't need to hear Romo's speech to know this was Dak's team, that became evident weeks before Romo's press conference.

Typical KJJ routine. "Blah Blah Blah I The Almighty KJJ would have Blah Blah Blah!" Dude. Who cares?

Within every one of the weekly polls Reality posted was this message: "NOTE: This poll is NOT asking do you think Romo will start, but rather .. Do you WANT Romo or Dak to start?" As is you're customary routine, you've twisted what the poll asked and how people responded to anyone wanting Romo to start also wanted the team to lose. Then you convey big long-winded diatribes (which is highly ironic for me personally describing someone else's posts ) on the forum about how you "knew everything" in advance yada yada yada every time you rehash the subject as some sort of weird validation that maligns what others intended. Good grief. Whatever. Next.

I'm not saying anyone wants the Cowboys to lose once Romo is gone but there are some of his FANS who would rather see him get one last hurrah as our starter even if it means losing with him. They feel sorry for him and it clearly bothers some with the way he lost his job due to injury. They feel he should be given the right to compete this summer with Dak to try and get his job back and many of his FANS would be pulling for him. I've read a number of posts where many FANS don't like Dak's short passing game. Some are so off base they've tried comparing him to Kyle Orton which is ludicrous. I think Dak is the best QB since Troy Aikman, he's got the qualities that are going to make him a great NFL QB.

KJJ. May I ask a question? Why are you directing any of this towards me?

1. I'm not a Romo fan.
2. When have I verbally endorsed Romo's competing for the starting job? Dude. I keep saying he's GONE already. What sense does it make for me to say, "Oh goody! Romo will win his Dallas job back once he's on another roster! Happy days!" sheesh.
3. Does anyone feeling empathy for anyone, much less Romo, really bother you that much?
4. Orton? I never compared Prescott to Orton. Again, what does anything have to do with me?
5. That's high praise for Prescott mentioning Aikman. Guess what KJJ? I've said Prescott has shown franchise quarterback potential enough times on this forum to ask the question again why are you directing any of this at me?

oh no. The caplock fans fever kicked me as expected.

Some have to remember, he was being prepared to be our backup for most of training camp and preseason. With him now entrenched as our starter going forward, he'll be prepared all during the offseason and training camp as the starter which will make him even better next season. As he gains experience, he'll be taking more shots down the field and I expect 30+ TD's passes from him next season health permitting. He had 3 TD passes called back this past season due to penalties. Dak was just scratching the surface this past season, I'm convinced he will be a top 5 QB in the not so distant future. He has all the qualities necessary to be that type of QB plus he has the talent around him to be that type of QB.

Do you see an American flag waiving in the corner of your mind whenever you type or what?

 

[rambo2]

Yes he did and that was 2 seasons ago and he even missed a game that season with an injury. Since that season he hasn't lasted 2 games the last 3 times he's seen significant action. He was injured in week 2 of the 2015 season, missing 7 straight games and was re injured in his second game back causing him to miss the rest of that season. He only appeared in 2 preseason games this past summer, attempting only 6 passes before breaking his back.

I hope that he plays the next two seasons without injury and wins 2 Super Bowls.

 

[KJJ]

Why is the old adage you can't judge a draft class for 3 years?

What does that mean to you?

Most say that when young players have yet to produce. You're dealing with young players and it's going to take a little time for some to adjust to the NFL game if they ever do. I've already made my judgement on Dak and Zeke, they're going to be very solid players for years to come barring injury. They were simply too good as rookies for them not to continue to progress. Dak didn't miss a beat practically the entire season. I've never seen a rookie QB play as consistently well as he did. His play was remarkable! You don't see many veteran QBs play that consistently. Those who have brought up RG3 and his regression after a great rookie season seem to forget the knee injury he suffered. He was never the same player after that injury.

He didn't know how to slide and avoid taking punishment and couldn't handle adversity. His comments to the media and his body language during games showed he couldn't handle the pressures of the NFL. His own head coach ended up throwing him under the bus. He completely lost his confidence and could never move around the way he could prior to his knee injury. His rise and fall was like nothing the NFL has ever seen. Both RG3 and Kap are run first QBs, neither possess the passing skills that Dak displayed this past season. Dak attempted 67 more passes than RG3 did his rookie season and had a higher completion percentage, more TD passes and a higher passer rating.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Most say that when young players have yet to produce. You're dealing with young players and it's going to take a little time for some to adjust to the NFL game if they ever do. I've already made my judgement on Dak and Zeke, they're going to be very solid players for years to come barring injury. They were simply too good as rookies for them not to continue to progress. Dak didn't miss a beat practically the entire season. I've never seen a rookie QB play as consistently well as he did. His play was remarkable! You don't see many veteran QBs play that consistently. Those who have brought up RG3 and his regression after a great rookie season seem to forget the knee injury he suffered. He was never the same player after that injury.

He didn't know how to slide and avoid taking punishment and couldn't handle adversity. His comments to the media and his body language during games showed he couldn't handle the pressures of the NFL. His own head coach ended up throwing him under the bus. He completely lost his confidence and could never move around the way he could prior to his knee injury. His rise and fall was like nothing the NFL has ever seen. Both RG3 and Kap are run first QBs, neither possess the passing skills that Dak displayed this past season. Dak attempted 67 more passes than RG3 did his rookie season and had a higher completion percentage, more TD passes and a higher passer rating.

Has there ever been a young player produce and then not produce? Specifically at the QB position? Can you think of any? I can.

Not hoping for it for Dak and i'm rooting for the kid. But some people acting like he's canton bound already.

 

[DFWJC]

That 1971 team was the best team they've fielded.ha

Clevelands more recent best teams moved to Baltimore

 

[KJJ]

Typical KJJ routine. "Blah Blah Blah I The Almighty KJJ would have Blah Blah Blah!" Dude. Who cares?

Within every one of the weekly polls Reality posted was this message: "NOTE: This poll is NOT asking do you think Romo will start, but rather .. Do you WANT Romo or Dak to start?" As is you're customary routine, you've twisted what the poll asked and how people responded to anyone wanting Romo to start also wanted the team to lose. Then you convey big long-winded diatribes (which is highly ironic for me personally describing someone else's posts ) on the forum about how you "knew everything" in advance yada yada yada every time you rehash the subject as some sort of weird validation that maligns what others intended. Good grief. Whatever. Next.
KJJ. May I ask a question? Why are you directing any of this towards me?

1. I'm not a Romo fan.
2. When have I verbally endorsed Romo's competing for the starting job? Dude. I keep saying he's GONE already. What sense does it make for me to say, "Oh goody! Romo will win his Dallas job back once he's on another roster! Happy days!" sheesh.
3. Does anyone feeling empathy for anyone, much less Romo, really bother you that much?
4. Orton? I never compared Prescott to Orton. Again, what does anything have to do with me?
5. That's high praise for Prescott mentioning Aikman. Guess what KJJ? I've said Prescott has shown franchise quarterback potential enough times on this forum to ask the question again why are you directing any of this at me?

oh no. The caplock fans fever kicked me as expected.
Do you see an American flag waiving in the corner of your mind whenever you type or what?

Your hating on KJJ routine is typical. My posting history/predictions speak for itself. Some of you can't get me out of your heads, you try and make every discussion about me. It's many of you who put me up on a pedestal because you take me and my opinions seriously or they wouldn't create such a stir. If you didn't think I knew what I was talking about none of my opinions would have an affect on you or anyone but my opinions do have an affect and a huge affect on some. The board had Romo vs Dak polls until Romo held his press conference putting an end to the speculation. The polls varied with most asking should Romo take over when he was healthy and you were in his corner in each and every poll that I saw. I was in Dak's corner the entire way from preseason throughout all the polls that were started.

I'm only posting to you because you posted to me attempting to stir up some chatter. You never seem to want to engage in a mature discussion with me, you just come around to take a slap with either a pic or some silly remark. I never said you brought up Orton, I was referring to a few FANS who did. The empathy Romo FANS feel Romo doesn't bother me in the least, they're disappointed for him and the way his Cowboys career ended. I get that but some have taken shots at Dak's game in retaliation which is perplexing with as well as he played and the success we had with him this past season. He's said all the right things and has been very respectful to Romo. Step up to the plate for once and debate me, instead of looking to take shots and run.

If you think you have everything all figured out, bring it to the table and let's compare it to what I have. Stop making this about me, you don't like me and I and everyone else gets that. I don't come here seeking any love, I come here because I'm a passionate Cowboys fan who enjoys discussing football and the team. I have a lot of haters on this board as well as every board I've been on the past 14 years because I'm a confident, opinionated poster who tells it like it is and it rubs homers the wrong way. I'm don't come here to cheerlead or to fulfill everyone's Cowboys fantasies with ridiculous predictions that have little to no chance of coming true. I don't post what I wish or hope for. Despite all the haters I have, if they had a lot of their own money to put on anyones prediction, they'll put it all on my calls because despite their hate for me they know I have a great pulse on this team. This is what I said just prior to opening day.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/tren...ever-see-the-field-again.356148/#post-6801099

Some of us have been saying that ever since Romo went down based on his repeated injuries and the performance of Dak in preseason. I believe it's Dak's job to lose, if he plays anything like we've seen in preseason during the regular season Romo will remain on the sidelines regardless if he's healthy and ready to play. I don't see Romo ever getting his job back if Dak has a solid 2016 season especially if he leads the Cowboys to the playoffs. Romo can't withstand a good hit anymore, it's hard going forward with an aging, injury prone QB who can't be counted on to stay on the field when you have a promising rookie QB who's playing well.

The only way Romo sees the field again is if Dak and the team struggle or Dak gets injured and Romo is healthy and ready to play. Romo's future will all depend on Dak's performance this season. The odds favor Romo seeing the field again because he can still play at a high level but if Dak plays solid he's not going to be pulled.