Ogletree theory

[TwentyOne]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

We for sure don't use talent in the regular season and risk not making the playoffs because of it just to have an advantage in the playoffs. That's for sure also the reason we used Austin not until the Chiefs game. So we had the surprise as an advantage on our side.

Great theory. But seriously i have to admit i have my doubts.

Just a hint how do you like that point of view: Ogletree may have some talent but right now he isn't a player who has shown our coaches enough that justifies taking playingtime from other players. That because they think those other players give us a better chance to succeed.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

We for sure don't use talent in the regular season and risk not making the playoffs because of it just to have an advantage in the playoffs.

Great theory. But i have to admit i have my doubts

Instead it may just be very simple. Ogletree may have some talent but right now he isn't a player who has shown our coaches enough that justifies taking playingtime from other players. That because they think those other players give us a better chance to succeed.

Ogletree > dropped passes

 

[TwentyOne]

Ogletree > dropped passes

Yeah great argumentation.

So you'd like to say with that if you were the Head Coach of Dallas you would make the decission and use Ogletree over Roy Williams ?

That although you (should) know (if you observe the situation right) that:

- Roy is a proven Receiver with which every expert agrees.
- Roy has to be used right which Garrett & Romo still seem to figure out.
- Roy and Romo still is a work in progress and it will only get better. How can i say that ? Because the past games showed promise of that.
- Roy may not have alot of caches but he is a very productiv WR. Look at his TDs.

If you pull the trigger that means you have to live with the decission. And what you do with Austin ? You will not bench him don't you ? That means you let Roy go from designated #1 to the bench ? That's what you want to do ? Think about Roy's self confidence and what you will do to it. You risk to severly damage it which you may not be able to reverse. Think about it. Because he dropped a few passes you risk killing your investment and a maybe very successfull WR for us in the years to come. And have in mind all those points above (of which you thought before you made your comment i am sure about that ).

And how high do you estimate the risk that Ogletree is maybe not the receiver you'd wish him to be ? I'd say its about 60-70% right now just because he is unproven. Just because of that your comment looks more like one by the heart and not by the brain.

Our offense is in good shape. So you consciously risk to destroy a good offense & good offense chemistry right before the playoffs. Right before the time this offense (with Roy) worked for the whole year!

I guess that's what you want to tell us all.

And i am not takling about the message you send to the players with that decission.

With all that i am just happy that you are not in charge to make those decission.

There is a sentence that comes to my mind when i read stupid posts like yours: "Think before you drink before you drive me mad".

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Yeah great argumentation.

So you'd like to say with that if you were the Head Coach of Dallas you would make the decission and use Ogletree over Roy Williams ?

That although you (should) know (if you observe the situation right) that:

- Roy is a proven Receiver with which every expert agrees.
- Roy has to be used right which Garrett & Romo still seem to figure out.
- Roy and Romo still is a work in progress and it will only get better. How can i say that ? Because the past games showed promise of that.
- Roy may not have alot of caches but he is a very productiv WR. Look at his TDs.

If you pull the trigger that means you have to live with the decission. And what you do with Austin ? You will not bench him don't you ? That means you let Roy go from designated #1 to the bench ? That's what you want to do ? Think about Roy's self confidence and what you will do to it. You risk to severly damage it which you may not be able to reverse. Think about it. Because he dropped a few passes you risk killing your investment and a maybe very successfull WR for us in the years to come. And have in mind all those points above (of which you thought before you made your comment i am sure about that ).

And how high do you estimate the risk that Ogletree is maybe not the receiver you'd wish him to be ? I'd say its about 60-70% right now just because he is unproven. Just because of that your comment looks more like one by the heart and not by the brain.

Our offense is in good shape. So you consciously risk to destroy a good offense & good offense chemistry right before the playoffs. Right before the time this offense (with Roy) worked for the whole year!

I guess that's what you want to tell us all.

And i am not takling about the message you send to the players with that decission.

With all that i am just happy that you are not in charge to make those decission.

There is a sentence that comes to my mind when i read stupid posts like yours: "Think before you drink before you drive me mad".

OK, you have it your "expert" way. I've heard other "experts" speak differently. I'm not saying bench Roy. I'm saying get O-tree more involved. And have another reliable target for Romo. But to get that would require reading my thoughts in the thread. Doesn't seem to be your thing tho.

 

[Chuck 54]

Roy Williams is a quality starter alongside Miles Austin. You don't put a tall guy in the slot. You want the quickest guys you can find in the slot, guys who will quickly pull away from a safety, LB, or extra DB.

If Ogletree is any good (not proven yet), then he's likely to take Crayton's spot sometime next season.

Roy is a tall, physical receiver who can be a good possession guy and is already a great downfield blocker.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I like Otree but if we are going to depend on a UDFA rookie to make our playoff run, we are in serious trouble.

Well, Austin and Romo are both UDFAs - although they've been here for longer - and in limited snaps Tree has not LOOKED like a rookie OR an undrafted FA. I was thinking this same thing earlier; maybe we're going to save some nice plays for Tree? Maybe in the playoffs we'll bust out some 4 WR sets or replace Roy with Tree on more plays?

IDK, I think there could be something to this.

 

[Cover 2]

Ogletree > dropped passes

Wait. Weren't you ridiculing me for not thinking Roy was a good receiver in the Pessimists Unite!!! thread?

 

[AbeBeta]

Well, Austin and Romo are both UDFAs - although they've been here for longer - and in limited snaps Tree has not LOOKED like a rookie OR an undrafted FA. I was thinking this same thing earlier; maybe we're going to save some nice plays for Tree? Maybe in the playoffs we'll bust out some 4 WR sets or replace Roy with Tree on more plays?

IDK, I think there could be something to this.

BOth UDFA that you mentioned sat and developed for several years. Yet 'tree is sooooo good that he's gonna bust out in the playoffs in his first season?

If anyone is getting "saved" it is Jones and Bennett.

 

[jazzcat22]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

No, why change up the offense going into post season play. Disrupts everything you been doing and using. Why bet your playoff chances of winning on a Rookie with minimal playing time and catches.

With saying that, Garrett will probably have some dumb play calling now.

 

[cowboyjoe]

There was a nice play in the Saints game where he was WIDE open and Tony comes back to Miles. I have a sneaking feeling that Ogletree is going to have a big play in the next few games.

Me too, but Ogletree has to keep his head in the game. On the play where Tony Romo threw to Jason Witten my favorite cowboy with jason running for 60 yards.

Jason Witten was heard hollering at Ogletree at line of scrimmage on that play. Ogletree you have the post, the safety and CB heard that and jumped on Ogletree. Jason said that the play was designed to go to Ogletree but he was double covered or triple covered and then Romo went to Jason W..

 

[Taz]

well maybe jason should be calling out our plays

 

[cowboyjoe]

Wait. Weren't you ridiculing me for not thinking Roy was a good receiver in the Pessimists Unite!!! thread?

We might get Dez Bryant in the draft if jerry jones is willing to draft him high in 1st round. i feel he will fall some due to suspension and not having super speed.

Dez Bryant
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 220 | 40-Time: 4.55

If you notice above not great super speed, but he has a big frame and huge hands. Kinda reminds me of a young Michael Irvin. And I know all about Dez Bryant since I am from Lufkin and live in Lufkin. Was here when he made plays for us at high school. Remember Michael Irvin went to us in the first round 18th pick best I remember.
Official Bio

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Career Statistics
Year GP REC YDS YPC TD
2007 12 43 622 14.5 6
2008 13 87 1,480 17.0 19
2009
Totals 25 130 2,102 16.2 25

 

[theogt]

There was a nice play in the Saints game where he was WIDE open and Tony comes back to Miles. I have a sneaking feeling that Ogletree is going to have a big play in the next few games.

He wasn't wide open. He was double covered and only came up right after Tony had made the decision to throw to Miles.

 

[Sasquatch]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

I've been clinging to a similar theory the past few years with respect to Bobby Carpenter. Unleash him, I say!

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I've been clinging to a similar theory the past few years with respect to Bobby Carpenter. Unleash him, I say!

:laugh2:

 

[Cover 2]

We might get Dez Bryant in the draft if jerry jones is willing to draft him high in 1st round. i feel he will fall some due to suspension and not having super speed.

Dez Bryant
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 220 | 40-Time: 4.55

If you notice above not great super speed, but he has a big frame and huge hands. Kinda reminds me of a young Michael Irvin. And I know all about Dez Bryant since I am from Lufkin and live in Lufkin. Was here when he made plays for us at high school. Remember Michael Irvin went to us in the first round 18th pick best I remember.
Official Bio

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Career Statistics
Year GP REC YDS YPC TD
2007 12 43 622 14.5 6
2008 13 87 1,480 17.0 19
2009
Totals 25 130 2,102 16.2 25

On the field he looks like he runs in the 4.3's. He would be a steal for us.

 

[zrinkill]

I am from Lufkin and live in Lufkin.

Joe you live in Lufkin man?

I live in Nac

 

[Shotgun Dave]

BOth UDFA that you mentioned sat and developed for several years.

Which is precisely what I said in my post. I added that Tree isn't PLAYING like a rookie.

For example, Roy leads the lead in dropped passes while Tree managed to haul in a toe-dragging, fingertip catch (not unlike many of his TC catches); given equal playing time, someone watching only the quality of their play might wonder who the rookie was.

Would you disagree?

I actually think Choice is likely to see more playing time in the playoffs more so than Jones or Bennett.

 

[zrinkill]

Roy leads the lead in dropped passes

That is false.

 

[T-RO]

He's going to be the surprise player in the playoffs

That might be true. But if Tree gets more chances it will be because Roy's continued struggles, not (as the OP suggested) because we've been stashing him.