Ogletree theory

[Alexander]

does anyone think roy williams may be better in the slot?

Didn't Michael Irvin say something along these lines?

 

[CATCH17]

We'll be halfway through next season and still be wanting him to get more PT.

Its the trend around here with young players.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Didn't Michael Irvin say something along these lines?

Roy isn't a slot player, he is a wide out. His size, strength, and jumping ability suits him to play outside.

Playing the slot, you probably want more speed. Speed to run across the field. Anyhow, we already know Roy doesn't like to run crossing routes. He has alligator arms when he does that. The safety is always lurking back there waiting to hit him in his mind.

 

[superpunk]

I think most likely we're just working him in more and more as our QB and offensive coordinator gain more confidence in him.

 

[CATCH17]

Roy isn't a slot player, he is a wide out. His size, strength, and jumping ability suits him to play outside.

Playing the slot, you probably want more speed. Speed to run across the field. Anyhow, we already know Roy doesn't like to run crossing routes. He has alligator arms when he does that.

And I doubt he would be a better slot receiver than Crayton. Especially when you consider how in sync Romo and Crayton are.

I like Roy better out wide than I do Crayton too.


But like i've said a million times, its in our best interest to start rotating these guys.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Roy isn't a slot player, he is a wide out. His size, strength, and jumping ability suits him to play outside.

Playing the slot, you probably want more speed. Speed to run across the field. Anyhow, we already know Roy doesn't like to run crossing routes. He has alligator arms when he does that. The safety is always lurking back there waiting to hit him in his mind.

I think Ogletree might fit well in the slot....

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think Ogletree might fit well in the slot....

I'm with you there. His size and speed and appearance of very good hands make him a great choice for the slot.

 

[Doomsday101]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

I think the simple reason is they are trying to bring him along slowly with certain routes that he and the team feel comfortable with. The guy is an UDFA who is seeing some playing time in his rookie season that almost never happens give the staff a break

 

[Eskimo]

Won't happen. The Cowboys don't believe in giving more time to other players. It's the reason you don't see more Ogletree with Roy's struggles and you don't see more Choice with Barber's struggles.

The only reason Austin got a chance to start is because Roy was injured. His explosive performance was so earth shaking against KC that there was no other option except keep playing him. They would have been a laughing stock if they had taken him out of the starting lineup once Roy returned.

Jerry and Wade don't know the meaning of insanity.

I agree with the gist of this post. This regime is very slow to get younger players involved in the game. It basically doesn't happen unless there is an injury. This is a very short-sighted approach to building a winning team.

The younger players that have potential need to regularly put in the game when possible to get their ears wet so they are more prepared when they are called upon and so the coaches can have a better idea of how they play in real-life game situations and correct any badhabits or missed assignments. Garrett is a horrendous offender, in particular. Wade does make some effort with the defensive players.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I think the simple reason is they are trying to bring him along slowly with certain routes that he and the team feel comfortable with. The guy is an UDFA who is seeing some playing time in his rookie season that almost never happens give the staff a break

I think the fact he was an UDFA is irrelevant. Most scouting reports had him going in the 5th round. His quarterback at Virginia wasn't very good, so his play suffered as a result.

Here's a scouting report from sporting news....

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NFL position: WR
Height: 6-0 1/2
Weight: 196
40 time: 4.37
Current projection: Fifth-round pick

Strengths: Is well-built; looks more like a running back than a receiver, which helps him absorb hard hits and gain yardage after contact. Is quick, and accelerates to full speed in a blink. Has the speed to separate on downfield routes. Shows the quick footwork to spin and get upfield after the catch. Shows good hands to reach out and make tough catches. Consistently gets feet down in-bounds on sideline routes. Is tough enough to catch passes in traffic, absorb the hard hit and hold onto the ball. Shows the hands and concentration to make over-the-shoulder catches downfield.

Weaknesses: Is a bit raw; routes are not sharp. Tends to round off cuts. Despite having good hands, has a bad habit of jumping and body-catching easy passes, making us wonder about the confidence he has in his hands. Fights the ball at times, dropping easy passes. Is not an aggressive runner after the catch, and does not deliver blow to tackler. Gives an inconsistent effort as a blocker.

Bottom line: Ogletree, a junior, definitely could have helped himself by staying in school. He is only the second receiver in Virginia history with two 50-catch seasons. He is an athletic receiver with the quickness, acceleration and speed to get separation on deep routes. Ogletree has the talent to become a solid NFL starter with improved route-running skills, more consistency catching the ball and more aggressiveness after the catch.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-04-13/scouting-report-virginias-kevin-ogletree

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the fact he was an UDFA is irrelevant. Most scouting reports had him going in the 5th round. His quarterback at Virginia wasn't very good, so his play suffered as a result.

Here's a scouting report from sporting news....

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NFL position: WR
Height: 6-0 1/2
Weight: 196
40 time: 4.37
Current projection: Fifth-round pick

Strengths: Is well-built; looks more like a running back than a receiver, which helps him absorb hard hits and gain yardage after contact. Is quick, and accelerates to full speed in a blink. Has the speed to separate on downfield routes. Shows the quick footwork to spin and get upfield after the catch. Shows good hands to reach out and make tough catches. Consistently gets feet down in-bounds on sideline routes. Is tough enough to catch passes in traffic, absorb the hard hit and hold onto the ball. Shows the hands and concentration to make over-the-shoulder catches downfield.

Weaknesses: Is a bit raw; routes are not sharp. Tends to round off cuts. Despite having good hands, has a bad habit of jumping and body-catching easy passes, making us wonder about the confidence he has in his hands. Fights the ball at times, dropping easy passes. Is not an aggressive runner after the catch, and does not deliver blow to tackler. Gives an inconsistent effort as a blocker.

Bottom line: Ogletree, a junior, definitely could have helped himself by staying in school. He is only the second receiver in Virginia history with two 50-catch seasons. He is an athletic receiver with the quickness, acceleration and speed to get separation on deep routes. Ogletree has the talent to become a solid NFL starter with improved route-running skills, more consistency catching the ball and more aggressiveness after the catch.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-04-13/scouting-report-virginias-kevin-ogletree

What is relevant is the coaches see these guys day in and day out and know what they can do and what they feel they are ready to handle. Fans see sunday that is it. Dallas and this staff is far from the only staff who brings young players in slowly. Under BP I can promise you Ogletree see the same amont of time if not less this is not just Wade or Jason it is common around the NFL.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm with you there. His size and speed and appearance of very good hands make him a great choice for the slot.

I think his quickness and route running ability also make him a good fit.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What is relevant is the coaches see these guys day in and day out and know what they can do and what they feel they are ready to handle. Fans see sunday that is it. Dallas and this staff is far from the only staff who brings young players in slowly. Under BP I can promise you Ogletree see the same amont of time if not less this is not just Wade or Jason it is common around the NFL.

I agree which is my point. At the beginning of the season we saw O-tree and it looked like he had a lot of talent in the preseason games. And we don't know what he looks like in practice, but in the limited time he's played in games, he's don't very well.

Additionally, I think we're deeper at the WR position than we once thought and many thought O-tree was ready to start at the season's start. Then Miles Austin comes along and perhaps limits his opportunities.

Now Roy Williams is playing less than spectacular which is surprising to some. So there could, theoretically speaking, be room for some post-season changes.

I'm not stating this as fact, but I think we see more Ogletree in the post season, especially if we stick around for a while.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree which is my point. At the beginning of the season we saw O-tree and it looked like he had a lot of talent in the preseason games. And we don't know what he looks like in practice, but in the limited time he's played in games, he's don't very well.

Additionally, I think we're deeper at the WR position than we once thought and many thought O-tree was ready to start at the season's start. Then Miles Austin comes along and perhaps limits his opportunities.

Now Roy Williams is playing less than spectacular which is surprising to some. So there could, theoretically speaking, be room for some post-season changes.

I'm not stating this as fact, but I think we see more Ogletree in the post season, especially if we stick around for a while.

We may see a bit more of Ogletree I have no issue with that but there is not going to be much post season changes. You dance with the one you brought and now is not the time to play pre season football to check out players.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

We may see a bit more of Ogletree I have no issue with that but there is not going to be much post season changes. You dance with the one you brought and now is not the time to play pre season football to check out players.

Even if the dancer keeps dropping the other one on the floor?

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I was thinking we will be using unique formations in the playoff games, such as with TC taking snaps on third and short, Ogletree getting more looks, and John Phillips getting more looks.


I still stand true to my theory if we win the SuperBowl, somewhere somehow Roy Williams was a big part of it in the postseason.

 

[Doomsday101]

Even if the dancer keeps dropping the other one on the floor?

You got this far with the players we have, you don't start making major changes. As I said I have no problem with Ogletree or Hurd seeing some playing time in the packages the staff has for them but I don't see any changes in the lineup at this stage of the season.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You got this far with the players we have, you don't start making major changes. As I said I have no problem with Ogletree or Hurd seeing some playing time in the packages the staff has for them but I don't see any changes in the lineup at this stage of the season.

I'm saying we may see more plays with Ogletree. There, I simplified it. I'm betting he gets in the game more often. I see an ability in him to run routes with a great level of quickness. So, I guess we'll see more Ogletree time with packages the staff has prepared for them, whatever they may be. JMO

 

[DallasDomination]

What you see is what you get...O'tree isnt going to do anything special this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm saying we may see more plays with Ogletree. There, I simplified it. I'm betting he gets in the game more often. I see an ability in him to run routes with a great level of quickness. So, I guess we'll see more Ogletree time with packages the staff has prepared for them, whatever they may be. JMO

He and Hurd both may get some opportunities. More than they have? We will see. Don't get me wrong I like Ogletree from the 1st time I saw him in training camp and in pre season. I think he has a future in this league and hopefully that will be with the Dallas Cowboys. I think the more he shows the staff the more opportunities he will get I don't know if that will be this season in the post season but I think his time will come