Ogletree theory

[KJJ]

It's all relative. I'd trust Tree at least as much as I would Roy at this point...if not more.

I'm not so sure the Cowboys feel the same way yet. I think they...or I should say Jerry is still holding out hope RW will step up and do something to justify what he gave up to trade for him. Teams put alot of weight into experience especially entering the playoffs.

 

[AbeBeta]

Thanks. You're a tower of graciousness.

Cowboys fan AND a Ramones fan? We're more alike than either would have guessed (or, possibly, want). "Road to Ruin" was my favorite but I also liked "Rocket to Russia".

Gabba Gabba Hey!

increasingly partial to End of the Century - but that might be b/c much of it doesn't get played . But you can't go wrong with any of the first 5

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

I was thinking something along the lines of keeping him healthy and trying to rationalize such a failed endeavor by Jason Garrett (look 2008 with our RBs).

But alas, Ogletrees' skill set should have been honed and sharped vs Pro players during the Season, there appears to be little excuse beyond Roy Williams for a more consistant Player not being on the field.

 

[tyke1doe]

I like Otree but if we are going to depend on a UDFA rookie to make our playoff run, we are in serious trouble.

I think he'll contribute some but we better be riding our main horses to the promise land.

I'm sorry, but a UDFA rookie who hasn't been starting aint gonna light the world on fire in the playoffs.

 

[The Quest for Six]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

right, 31 other teams passed on him because he's so talented, only Dallas was smart enough to not waste a draft pick on such a talented player... He's an undrafted free agent signee for a reason, maybe that's why he's not getting alot of reps in games, he's green as grass..... and I don't mean the other grass you're smoking with that theory of yours

 

[tyke1doe]

We might get Dez Bryant in the draft if jerry jones is willing to draft him high in 1st round. i feel he will fall some due to suspension and not having super speed.

Dez Bryant
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 220 | 40-Time: 4.55

If you notice above not great super speed, but he has a big frame and huge hands. Kinda reminds me of a young Michael Irvin. And I know all about Dez Bryant since I am from Lufkin and live in Lufkin. Was here when he made plays for us at high school. Remember Michael Irvin went to us in the first round 18th pick best I remember.
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Career Statistics
Year GP REC YDS YPC TD
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2008 13 87 1,480 17.0 19
2009
Totals 25 130 2,102 16.2 25

We'd be investing a lot of money in the receiver position considering Roy's contract, Austin's impending contract and how much we spent on T.O. after signing him to a new deal then cutting him. Are we still paying him?

 

[TwoDeep3]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

So...

A coach will take off the field a weapon that can be one of the cogs in winning a game but doesn't so he can save it for the play-offs?

A weapon he didn't use in both Giants' game, the San Diego game, the Bronco game or the Green Bay game, yet had confidence that he would make the play-offs to spring this on the unsuspecting teams he will now exploit?

A coach who if he doesn't win something in the post-season he will not be a coach any longer?

Yeah, sounds logical to me.

 

[Cover 2]

We'd be investing a lot of money in the receiver position considering Roy's contract, Austin's impending contract and how much we spent on T.O. after signing him to a new deal then cutting him. Are we still paying him?

It's looking like there won't be a salary cap anymore, so it won't hurt us from that perspective. Also Miles is the only receiver I would classify as good (Ogletree might be good, but he is young and inexperienced), the rest are average at best as starters.

I am interested in seeing what Ogletree has though. I'm not saying to start him yet, but I would like to see him get about 10 plays a game. I think he has a lot of potential, and if he can reach that potential it will really help the Cowboys out.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Why can't I? It's a smaller sample population (Tree's number of targets) but he's made the most of them. More than Roy has, in my opinion.

In his many plays, Roy has made a few plays and totally blown a few plays. Roy is playing nowhere near his draft status and contract whereas Tree is far outplaying his draft status (as an UDFA) and contract.

Given equal playing time, I'd be curious to see who'd do better. As far as routes and hands, I'm going to guess Tree.

Call me crazy if you want. I'm no Roy Hater, but it's clear he's not living up to his contract (or the draft picks we gave up for him).

Sorry to bump this thread, I fell asleep last night before responding. But I do think you have a point. Also remember (as some have forgotten) that my point is not to bench Roy, which some so-called experts do suggest. Rather, my point is that Ogletree should get more playing time even if it's only 10 plays a game like someone else stated.

And I'm not saying take any of Austin's playing time. I am saying that we should take a similar approach to Scandrick/Jenkins, but not necessarily rotate them evenly. Maybe just go with the guy who has the hot hands.

The WR position isn't like CB where getting burned once can cost you badly. I don't think a putting Ogletree in would necessarily hurt us. It seems when he has come in he has helped us.

Yes, there is a smaller sample size to compare and that makes sense. But the main thing is he doesn't strike me as looking like an UDFA rookie, nor does he seem like a rookie at all.

For the record, I also like Crayton in the slot and I like seeing Hurd out there too.

I'm just trying to analyze the situation we now have. And don't forget one could search my posts and find that I was once a big fan of Roy Williams. I still am, in fact. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to figure out other ways to help this team.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

So...

A coach will take off the field a weapon that can be one of the cogs in winning a game but doesn't so he can save it for the play-offs?

This particular player is a rookie and needs developing, but I suspect he's coming around quite well given his skill set and route running ability.

And that's the knock on Wade: He hasn't won a playoff game. So it entirely makes sense from this perspective because (1) you allow him time to develop into the system (2) you increase your chances of the receiver actually catching the ball thrown to him (3) you have a wide receiver which no one has seen much action from, thus wouldn't know what to expect in terms of his strengths or weaknesses in terms of routes and chemistry with the quarterback.

A weapon he didn't use in both Giants' game, the San Diego game, the Bronco game or the Green Bay game, yet had confidence that he would make the play-offs to spring this on the unsuspecting teams he will now exploit?

The whole point of the thread was that he was "saving" him for a later game.... I'm not stating this as fact, predicting or anything like that. I'm saying it would make sense if he were to get a few more bones thrown to him.

A coach who if he doesn't win something in the post-season he will not be a coach any longer?

Says you. I'm not sure about this. Are you certain? I agree this is most likely the case. But even if he did lose in the playoffs, I think Jerry Jones would be more prudential looking at the actual circumstances surrounding a hypothetical loss.

At the same time, he'd have to look at the circumstances surrounding a win, such as Wade getting Ogletree more involved.

Yeah, sounds logical to me.

Logic isn't the point here. When I was pushing for Tony Romo to become the quarterback most said it was illogical. The point here, as someone has said, is indeed coming from my heart. Although I do feel as if my thinking that Ogletree has shown enough on the field to warrant more play, and Roy Williams has warranted less, has a little to do with my thinking.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Wait. Weren't you ridiculing me for not thinking Roy was a good receiver in the Pessimists Unite!!! thread?

Sort of, yeah. I still think he's a a good receiver, but he hasn't shown me much this year. I watched him at Texas and he was one of the best ever there. I think Roy has a motivation problem. I think he got paid and that's all he cared about. I also thought it would mean more to him being a Cowboy than playing in Detroit.

I'm just a little frustrated with Roy. I'm not dissing him or saying he's terrible. So I won't apologize for that. I will say that what we were saying was true. But perhaps what you were saying was more true. Everything isn't always black and white. But I admit I didn't expect our passing game to have Miles Austin leading in yards and Williams to be this far behind him.

And the thing that amazes me the most is Miles didn't start this year until game 6. It also amazes me that people keep bringing up O-tree being a UDFA.

Well, I guess they didn't get the memo. Romo and Austin are also UDFAs.

But back to my point. I was a little wrong about RW and really didn't think he'd have this bad of a year.

 

[Cover 2]

Sort of, yeah. I still think he's a a good receiver, but he hasn't shown me much this year. I watched him at Texas and he was one of the best ever there. I think Roy has a motivation problem. I think he got paid and that's all he cared about. I also thought it would mean more to him being a Cowboy than playing in Detroit.

I'm just a little frustrated with Roy. I'm not dissing him or saying he's terrible. So I won't apologize for that. I will say that what we were saying was true. But perhaps what you were saying was more true. Everything isn't always black and white. But I admit I didn't expect our passing game to have Miles Austin leading in yards and Williams to be this far behind him.

And the thing that amazes me the most is Miles didn't start this year until game 6. It also amazes me that people keep bringing up O-tree being a UDFA.

Well, I guess they didn't get the memo. Romo and Austin are also UDFAs.

But back to my point. I was a little wrong about RW and really didn't think he'd have this bad of a year.

I didn't expect him to underperform like this either. I was expecting about 900 yards a year, and 7 touchdowns.

I think the best thing to do about Ogletree is to keep bringing him along slowly. NFL routes are different than anything he was used to in college. I'm sure the playbook is bigger (especially since he went to a running school), and in the NFL he has to run routes according to what the corner does, if the linebacker shades a certain direction, and where the safety is located. That would be difficult to pull off for a rookie from a run-heavy school.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I didn't expect him to underperform like this either. I was expecting about 900 yards a year, and 7 touchdowns.

Eh, I was expecting 1,000 yards. But at least he is on par with our TD expectations.

I think the best thing to do about Ogletree is to keep bringing him along slowly. NFL routes are different than anything he was used to in college. I'm sure the playbook is bigger (especially since he went to a running school), and in the NFL he has to run routes according to what the corner does, if the linebacker shades a certain direction, and where the safety is located. That would be difficult to pull off for a rookie from a run-heavy school.

I understand. But I don't think Roy is that much better at routes. In fact, I think O-tree is the better route runner (based on what little I've seen). I do think Ogletree can get involved and throw off the defenses due to the fact that no one has really seen what kind of routes he's good at. Only the Cowboys know his best routes, which i think is a good thing. The fact that he came from a running school is that much better because he didn't have the opportunities to show what he's good at (which supports my theory). And he played with a terrible quarterback who couldn't fully showcase his skills. Thus I think it makes sense to get him more involved in the playoffs. JMO--not fact.

We shall see.

 

[DFWJC]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

It's called boredom. Don't worry, the Philly game will be here soon to pull you out of it.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's called boredom. Don't worry, the Philly game will be here soon to pull you out of it.

That may very well be the case.

 

[nalam]

Garrett isn't above running a few surprise/trick plays.

It is about time !
Better late than never.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

i doubt you hardly play a guy all year then just throw him in there with a significant increase in snaps, with your season on the line.

but im sure he will see some snaps sparingly like he has during the season. hopefully he makes some plays. i like the guy a lot

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Thanks to hypnotoad...Here is a (small) sample of Ogletree's route running ability.
http://img32.*************/img32/3493/1532ogletreeroute.gif