Ogletree theory

[AbeBeta]

Which is precisely what I said in my post. I added that Tree isn't PLAYING like a rookie.

For example, Roy leads the lead in dropped passes while Tree managed to haul in a toe-dragging, fingertip catch (not unlike many of his TC catches); given equal playing time, someone watching only the quality of their play might wonder who the rookie was.

Would you disagree?

I actually think Choice is likely to see more playing time in the playoffs more so than Jones or Bennett.

Tree isn't playing like a Rookie? Please. He has 6 catches. You can't compare a player who has to learn only a handful of plays to a starter who is in for all the plays.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Tree isn't playing like a Rookie? Please. He has 6 catches. You can't compare a player who has to learn only a handful of plays to a starter who is in for all the plays.

Why can't I? It's a smaller sample population (Tree's number of targets) but he's made the most of them. More than Roy has, in my opinion.

In his many plays, Roy has made a few plays and totally blown a few plays. Roy is playing nowhere near his draft status and contract whereas Tree is far outplaying his draft status (as an UDFA) and contract.

Given equal playing time, I'd be curious to see who'd do better. As far as routes and hands, I'm going to guess Tree.

Call me crazy if you want. I'm no Roy Hater, but it's clear he's not living up to his contract (or the draft picks we gave up for him).

 

[Shotgun Dave]

That is false.

You're right, it's false. I heard the commentators say that during the last game and assumed it was accurate. He's actually tied for 12th and only 3 behind the league leaders.

Not exactly stellar regardless of the rank though.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

 

[HoosierCowboy]

I keep thinking of Rocky switching styles in the championship fight--is Wase gonna yell "Now!" and then we unleash him?

 

[theogt]

Tree isn't playing like a Rookie? Please. He has 6 catches. You can't compare a player who has to learn only a handful of plays to a starter who is in for all the plays.

You can't just repeat "6 catches" and assume anyone will be persuaded otherwise. Very clearly the guy hasn't played like a rookie WR, much less a rookie undrafted WR.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why can't I? It's a smaller sample population (Tree's number of targets) but he's made the most of them. More than Roy has, in my opinion.

In his many plays, Roy has made a few plays and totally blown a few plays. Roy is playing nowhere near his draft status and contract whereas Tree is far outplaying his draft status (as an UDFA) and contract.

Given equal playing time, I'd be curious to see who'd do better. As far as routes and hands, I'm going to guess Tree.

Call me crazy if you want. I'm no Roy Hater, but it's clear he's not living up to his contract (or the draft picks we gave up for him).

"Sample population" -- you don't even know what you are talking about, do you?

 

[Cover 2]

You can't just repeat "6 catches" and assume anyone will be persuaded otherwise. Very clearly the guy hasn't played like a rookie WR, much less a rookie undrafted WR.

If anyone is playing like a rookie undrafted WR it's Roy...

 

[AbeBeta]

You can't just repeat "6 catches" and assume anyone will be persuaded otherwise. Very clearly the guy hasn't played like a rookie WR, much less a rookie undrafted WR.

He certainly has contributed. But that is very different from indicating that he contributed at a level that would suggest he is our secret weapon and deserves to take Williams' spot. Why his performance is not like a rookie's you'll have to explain as I've seen rookies, even undrafted ones make a play or two.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

"Sample population" -- you don't even know what you are talking about, do you?

I should have known better than to disagree with someone who has so many posts; you have a million so, of course, you must be right.

Let me help you with "what I'm talking about" since you seem to think I don't know (and since you obviously do not). For an analysis of Tree's contributions to be most meaningful, he would need to have more catches. There aren't enough "samples" (catches) yet to do so.

Now keep arguing with the rest of the members here because I'm done with you. Based on your large number of posts, I have concluded with a high degree of probability that you are a pinhead.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I should have known better than to disagree with someone who has so many posts; you have a million so, of course, you must be right.

Let me help you with "what I'm talking about" since you seem to think I don't know (and since you obviously do not). For an analysis of Tree's contributions to be most meaningful, he would need to have more catches. There aren't enough "samples" (catches) yet to do so.

Now keep arguing with the rest of the members here because I'm done with you. Based on your large number of posts, I have concluded with a high degree of probability that you are a pinhead.

I think he knows what you meant to say,,, he is just pointing out the possible misuse of the word "population",,, and you are right, sample size is important.

 

[AbeBeta]

I should have known better than to disagree with someone who has so many posts; you have a million so, of course, you must be right.

Let me help you with "what I'm talking about" since you seem to think I don't know (and since you obviously do not). For an analysis of Tree's contributions to be most meaningful, he would need to have more catches. There aren't enough "samples" (catches) yet to do so.

Now keep arguing with the rest of the members here because I'm done with you. Based on your large number of posts, I have concluded with a high degree of probability that you are a pinhead.

Please tell me again what a "sample population" is. What makes Tree so much better then than Sam Hurd who had a "sample population" of 5 catches in his rookie season?

Me. I'd think if 'Tree could contribute as Hurd has for us over the last 4 years, that we'd have made a quality acquisition. But please, Zippy, tell me how they differ. ****

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I think he knows what you meant to say,,, he is just pointing out the possible misuse of the word "population",,, and you are right, sample size is important.

If so, then he's even more of a pinhead for being argumentative. It isn't like this was being submitted for peer review in the New England Journal of Medicine. Give me a break.

Ay worst, adding the word "population" to "sample" is redundant, but it passed review when I went to school.

Just not with Mr. 17 Thousand Posts apparently.

Anyway, on the matter of Tree's performance, I wold be curious to hear from anyone who remembers Austin's rookie year how the two might compare.

Anyone? I promise not to call anyone else a pinhead. That wasn't very gracious of me, was it?

 

[AbeBeta]

Ay worst, adding the word "population" to "sample" is redundant, but it passed review when I went to school.

Actually that is 100% incorrect. A sample is a subset of a population. The two are mutually exclusive. A sample is drawn from a population. There is no such thing as a "sample population" nor is that term used in any legitimate source.

If that "passed review" when you went to school, then I worry about the quality of an institution you attended.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Actually that is 100% incorrect. A sample is a subset of a population. The two are mutually exclusive. A sample is drawn from a population. There is no such thing as a "sample population" nor is that term used in any legitimate source.

If that "passed review" when you went to school, then I worry about the quality of an institution you attended.

Like I said, I wasn't submitting this to the New England Journal of Medicine for publication. Still, I'm sure you're right. My professors explained that while a sample is, indeed, a subset of a population it is still considered a population of itself. It was definitely not Harvard though so maybe they were wrong, and it's been a long time since college for me anyway.

My apologies for calling you a pinhead. It was petty.

My further apologies for subjecting our fellow Cowboys fan to our boorish argument. It's not like this is statistics class (although I may need it to be).

Cheers.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

I have a theory. Hes a rookie and he will still only get 4 snaps a game.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I have a theory. Hes a rookie and he will still only get 4 snaps a game.

I think he'll definitely factor into the playoffs a little more, and I'm excited about seeing him next year with some more experience. Do you imagine that his progress - or any other WR's, for that matter - could push Jerry to cut or trade Roy?

What is "Fuzzy Lumpkins" from anyway? It seems familiar. Is it your own or from a book of fiction or something?

 

[AbeBeta]

Like I said, I wasn't submitting this to the New England Journal of Medicine for publication. Still, I'm sure you're right. My professors explained that while a sample is, indeed, a subset of a population it is still considered a population of itself. It was definitely not Harvard though so maybe they were wrong, and it's been a long time since college for me anyway.

My apologies for calling you a pinhead. It was petty.

My further apologies for subjecting our fellow Cowboys fan to our boorish argument. It's not like this is statistics class (although I may need it to be).

Cheers.

i would also posit that your "theory" is actually a hypothesis.... but I'll let that go.

Gabba gabba hey.

 

[KJJ]

This isn't necessarily a theory 100% believe in, but could the Cowboys be perhaps saving Ogletree's talent for the postseason? That way, no one really gets a look at his style or skill set. And we unleash Ogletree formations for then. 'Tis just a theory, but it makes a little sense to me.

I seriously doubt that because of two reasons Ogletree needs game experience to be counted on in postseason and the Cowboys weren't even assured of a playoff spot until last week. They were in a fight for their playoff lives after the loss to San Diego and needed all their weapons on the field. I'm not sure they totally trust Ogletree yet.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

i would also posit that your "theory" is actually a hypothesis.... but I'll let that go.

Gabba gabba hey.

Thanks. You're a tower of graciousness.

Cowboys fan AND a Ramones fan? We're more alike than either would have guessed (or, possibly, want). "Road to Ruin" was my favorite but I also liked "Rocket to Russia".

Gabba Gabba Hey!

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I'm not sure they totally trust Ogletree yet.

It's all relative. I'd trust Tree at least as much as I would Roy at this point...if not more.