OMG Burnett Should be starting this season!

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silverbear;1532051 said:
Then gimme a hit of whatever you're smoking, I'd like to escape reality for a while too...


i was going off what i seen last season.....those 2 forced fumbles came last season.....and they were great play

most of those plays came last year....including the INT....obviously your just another Stat hunting, espn watching dream *****.

He had alot of great QB pressure last season....he showed a lot last season...that obviously Bradie didn't starting full time....

Chill with that "what are you smoking/let me get a hit of that" is played out and used over and over come original....

no need to attack me over my opinion on a damn player....sorry that your opinion is the only thing that counts, and sorry for being a human....and actually looking at players instead of going off stats and watching espn all day....get a life...i bet thats all you really do is smoke your life away watching espn... 40 years old and living with your 75 yr old mother
 

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silverbear;1532054 said:
Well, there's my laugh of the day so far... the first post in this thread DID come off kinda groupie-esque, didn't it??

Groupie?

look who's talking...im a groupie for liking a player?

Get off Brain paint
 

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Terence Newman700;1532083 said:
Groupie?

look who's talking...im a groupie for liking a player?

Get off Brain paint

I think you just sounded like a valley girl. Others may think you sounded like a groupie.

I am not ragging on you for liking a player, it was the way you posted it.

It was all in fun and just joking around so don't take it any other way.

As far as Silverbear being on my...

That is for my wife and I am sure that as sexy as I am, and I really am pretty darn sexy, Silverbear has no interest in that way. Well...truth be told he probably does, as I said I am sexy, but still he would not follow through with his desires.:laugh2:
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1532090 said:
I think you just sounded like a valley girl. Others may think you sounded like a groupie.

I am not ragging on you for liking a player, it was the way you posted it.

It was all in fun and just joking around so don't take it any other way.

As far as Silverbear being on my...

That is for my wife and I am sure that as sexy as I am, and I really am pretty darn sexy, Silverbear has no interest in that way. Well...truth be told he probably does, as I said I am sexy, but still he would not follow through with his desires.:laugh2:

lol i understand man......

thats why i had no prob with your post...because you were just being funny...and you weren't tying to rag on me....lol
 

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Stautner;1531955 said:
FIRST: My point was that IF BURNETT HAD THE TALENT TO START OVER James then the depth chart wouldn't matter.

This negates ALL the differences crap you are spewing, because I wasn't even discussing him taking over James position if he wasn't qualified.

Stick to the point!



Even so, you are saying that the ILB positions are so different that Ayodele couldn't play the other or James couldn't play the other or Carpenter can ONLY back up James and Burnett can ONLY back-up Ayodele ......

And you are saying that Crayton is incapable of starting at either WR spot ......?

As for OT, there actually is an argument that there is MORE of a distinct difference in the 2 OT spots in that the speed rushers are much more likely to be on the right side - the QB's blind side. Speed and quickness is the premium at LT while strenghth is at RT.



Now let me explain a little more about what I was saying and see if your feeble mind can comprehend:

The reason depth chart is important in short term cases (emergency duty or 1-2 games) is that there isn't a transition or learning curve - the one trained specifically to backup James will be best short term even if a little less talented simply because he is specifically trained for it. But long term is different - when talking about the starter you train whoever is the best equipped to handle the job, not just who is listed where on the depth chart. You take the time to get the better player ready when you expect him to hold down the position long term.
My god, you're dense.
 

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Vintage;1531957 said:
Hurd started the game instead of Crayton FWIW....
Stop, his head will explode. Some people can't grasp that all WRs positions aren't the same and all linebacker positions aren't the same.

Stautner;1531958 said:
Read the bottom of my post about short term solutions ........
No. You're wrong. They're different positions that require different physical skill sets. This isn't that complex. I hope you can somehow manage to wrap your mind around it.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1531830 said:
Totally agree... I never understood why we took a 235 lb guy when Parcells barely liked to look at a LB unless he was 245 or 250. Very strange.

Burrnet is extremely athletic and has the ability to be a major pass rusher. I think Parcells looked at him as a project and expected him to bulk up. Problem is, I don't think he covers very well. So while he has some abilities at pass rush and even run stopping, but has glaring weaknesses and never bulked up as expected.
 

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nyc;1532300 said:
Burrnet is extremely athletic and has the ability to be a major pass rusher. I think Parcells looked at him as a project and expected him to bulk up. Problem is, I don't think he covers very well. So while he has some abilities at pass rush and even run stopping, but has glaring weaknesses and never bulked up as expected.
I dont think Parcells thought he was a project. Projects arent drafted in the second round. I just think he had the same of what Bobby Carpenter had "the sucks on special teams" and Parcells doesnt trust players who half-a** it on special teams.
 

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I thought that Burnett was supposed to be a good coverage LB. At least i think i remember reading that about him when he was drafted, i always thought he would be used more as a coverage backer than a pass rusher based on the scouting report coming out of college.
 

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Hoov;1532308 said:
I thought that Burnett was supposed to be a good coverage LB. At least i think i remember reading that about him when he was drafted, i always thought he would be used more as a coverage backer than a pass rusher based on the scouting report coming out of college.
His M.O was that he had plenty of athletic ability, but slow diagnose and reaction skills. His Tennesee coaches liked using him as an edge rusher in nickel.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1531830 said:
Totally agree... I never understood why we took a 235 lb guy when Parcells barely liked to look at a LB unless he was 245 or 250. Very strange.

But SP, your story was very enlightening. I always kind of got that idea from Burnett too (for some reason), but you really heard some good evidence first-hand.

I don't know why we drafted a 4-3 LB in Burnett to begin with if we were planning on moving to a 3-4. I don't know what BP was thinking either.

Burnett would be a pretty solid player on a team like the Eagles. He has strength and speed. His mind and apparently attitude per SP's post need to catch up.

He can still produce here though.
 

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BouncingCheese;1532516 said:
I don't know why we drafted a 4-3 LB in Burnett to begin with if we were planning on moving to a 3-4. I don't know what BP was thinking either.

Burnett would be a pretty solid player on a team like the Eagles. He has strength and speed. His mind and apparently attitude per SP's post need to catch up.

He can still produce here though.

People said the same thing of Donnie Edwards when they moved to a 3-4.

Its not a waste; yet. Burnett desperately needs to show something sooner, rather than later....but ultimately, the new scheme might benefit him.
 

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Vintage;1532518 said:
People said the same thing of Donnie Edwards when they moved to a 3-4.

Its not a waste; yet. Burnett desperately needs to show something sooner, rather than later....but ultimately, the new scheme might benefit him.


I never thought he was a waste at all.

I still think he can produce. In this scheme he can really shine showing his athleticism and speed. However, lets not don him Donnie Edwards, similar as they may seem and we would hope. Edwards is pretty good good at covering those underneath passes, often being the only defensive player after the defensive lineman able to protect the underneath passes when the qb would try to dump the ball off to a running back when the D blitzed all the linebackers. That is alot to ask of a player, and it is yet to be seen if Burnett can do that as well as Edwardss. Either way, Phillips won't run the play that way if he knows we don't have the personell to do it.

I think this scheme is the best if not one of the only ways he can see the field as a 3-4 LB at his size. If he can get his **** together, as Carpenter can do the same, then they have a chance to very well. There is so much parity anymore with teams and their players, that it really comes to schemes more often than we think.
 

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Kevin Burnett was the scouts pick. Jerry said the scouts were practically standing on the tables shouting for Burnett, but Burnett had the skillset to play weakside OLB in the 3-4.

Volunteers staff, assistant head coach John Chavis recently stated, "Burnett is a tremendous talent with big-play capability. He's extremely smart and gives us a great look with his pass rush off the edge."

From his draft bio..

Some scouts compare him to the Titans' Keith Bulluck, but Burnett's inability to locate the ball or eye the quarterback in passing situations suggests that he is not the complete player some would like you to believe. He fits and folds well, appearing to have the ability to play a nine-tech.

In a draft that is lacking in quality linebackers, some team will overlook his pass coverage deficiencies and draft him much higher than his grade indicates.
 

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InmanRoshi;1532563 said:
Kevin Burnett was the scouts pick. Jerry said the scouts were practically standing on the tables shouting for Burnett, but Burnett had the skillset to play weakside OLB in the 3-4.



From his draft bio..

I've been saying that for a while.
 

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Hoov;1532308 said:
I thought that Burnett was supposed to be a good coverage LB. At least i think i remember reading that about him when he was drafted, i always thought he would be used more as a coverage backer than a pass rusher based on the scouting report coming out of college.

I remember reading that he was good in coverage too in almost all scouting reports. We all know that scouting reports we find on the internet are never wrong though. :rolleyes:

Still, when all reports say the same thing... you'd think there would be something to it. That along with the fact that he played safety before he grew into a LB made me think that he'd be a good coverage LB.

InmanRoshi;1532315 said:
His M.O was that he had plenty of athletic ability, but slow diagnose and reaction skills. His Tennesee coaches liked using him as an edge rusher in nickel.

If he is slow to read and react, then that would explain why he wouldn't be good in coverage. It would also explain why Parcells didn't use him more.

I still hold out hope that Phillips scheme is a much better fit for him. He is much more like Donnie Edwards than anyone Parcells ever used at ILB. Perhaps he won't have to read as much as react in Phillips system and his athleticism will be allowed to take over... because he has tons of that.

I don't know but I guess we'll find out. I've always thought that if he were allowed to flow to the ball he would be outstanding. That's just my opinion though.

In Wade's scheme we do know that he'll use a good bit of zone blitzes, so if Burnett is on the field a lot, he'll get his chances to get after the QB, which I think he would excel at.

In a preseason game I watched him come on a blitz and he was to the QB in a flash. One of his strengths is that he goes from 0 to 60 in a flash... and that explosion was really evident on that play. That's why I use the expression "shot out of a cannon". That's what it looked like. He just closed so fast. The ball was snapped, Burnett hesitated and then, BAM he was in the QB's face.

IMO, he'll be very good on zone blitzes from the ILB spot. That is if he has the head to play in Phillips 3-4.

BouncingCheese;1532516 said:
I don't know why we drafted a 4-3 LB in Burnett to begin with if we were planning on moving to a 3-4. I don't know what BP was thinking either.

I distinctly remember Parcells calling Burnett a "bubble" player on more than one occasion. That term means playing one of Parcells ILB positions, placed over a guard. It was right after we drafted him and Bill said he looked like a "Bubble" player to him.

Does anyone else remember that?

If that's the case... then Parcells didn't look at him like a 4-3 LB only, but also someone that could play ILB in his 3-4. Of course in Phillips 3-4, the ILB is more protected and needs a little less bulk and a little more speed... which points to Burnett being better suited for Wades scheme.

IOW, Parcells apparently thought Burnett could play ILB for him... and if he thought that, then Kevin should certainly be able to play for Phillips at ILB.

Assuming of course, that he has the head for it.

BouncingCheese;1532529 said:
I think this scheme is the best if not one of the only ways he can see the field as a 3-4 LB at his size. If he can get his **** together, as Carpenter can do the same, then they have a chance to very well.

That is exactly what I'm hoping as well. I'm not sure how it will play out though.

The bad thing is though, if Carpenter (1st round) and Burnett (2nd round) both really come on and earn a starting position... then we'll have one guy who we just paid a good bit to (James) and one guy we paid a good bit in free agency for (Ayodele) sitting on the bench.

Oh well... at least no one can say we don't have depth at LB.
 

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InmanRoshi;1532563 said:
Kevin Burnett was the scouts pick. Jerry said the scouts were practically standing on the tables shouting for Burnett, but Burnett had the skillset to play weakside OLB in the 3-4.



From his draft bio..


Then I stand corrected about what the pre-draft write ups were saying about Burnett. I thought I remembered them saying he was good in coverage, but maybe I'm just thinking that he used to play safety and assumed that he could cover.

Either way, thanks for the correction, IR.
 

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I simply cannot see BP picking Burnett to play inside LB; he loves big, strong players and LB's... the tradeoff is they are slower. That was the part of BP's defense that always worried me; if we blow a coverage or a runner get even a bit past the second level, they can gash us. That won't really be a problem to worry about in this defense because the players are going to be lighter and faster... that being said the same damn thing can happen.
 

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AsthmaField;1532574 said:
Then I stand corrected about what the pre-draft write ups were saying about Burnett. I thought I remembered them saying he was good in coverage, but maybe I'm just thinking that he used to play safety and assumed that he could cover.

Either way, thanks for the correction, IR.

I don't think he's a prototype 3-4 OLB, but I think they were projecting that he could/would add 15 lbs. of muscle to get into the 6'3" 250-255 range .. which he never could.

His deficiencies in pass coverage are a little baffling. This is a smart guy who was a converted safety. I don't know what the deal is, other than maybe he's not a natural or instinctive football player.
 
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