OMG Burnett Should be starting this season!

[theogt]

If Burnett does better at coverage, I could see him coming in as the MLB on the Nickel.

He's been playing first team on the nickel all off-season.

edit:

You mean, kinda like he already does?

So close.

 

[jterrell]

That was Parcells' problem though, and why so many of our younger guys gave us (and him) such bad impressions at times. He's so reticent to pull the plug on the young guys that he's looking for an excuse to yank them out. He didn't give Burnett (or Carp) a fair shake, and had he done that, I think B would have shown us a ton.

One thing I know Wade will improve upon is letting the rooks learn and roll with their mistakes. Guys like Romo and Watkins... Parcells didn't have much of a choice. He had to stick with them, or at least give them plenty of chances. Not much of a security blanket otherwise. This time around I have a feeling Wade isn't going to let one blown assignment, which freakin happens with young players, determine a player's season. And thank god for that.

In the NFL you can not leave guys in the game that get you beat. you just can not do it.

Burnett has to learn the defense and then perform adequately.

BP, did alot of things wrongs but base don what I saw of Burnett and Carp the first 8 games at OLB I understand.

BTW, the new coach, drafted a SOLB with his first pick and moved both Burnett and Carp inside....


Watkins started last season as a rookie... so did TNew. BP wasn't against rookies.

 

[Stautner]

He has to Def beat out Bradie James...he just has too...and i think he will.....i was watching so many plays our D made last year...and I cant help but notice...that Burnett was a freaking force last year...the limited action he saw... he was a damn good force, and making plays....and damn after watching some of the plays this guy is so damn athletic its not even funny...for a LB hes pretty fast and shows good coverage skills....and makes smart plays...and is a pretty good blitz-er.....

I'm a big Bradie supporter....but i have to go with Burnett....i really hope this guy gets his due's and has a chance to shine...im telling you...i think he can be something real special....

I know some have been saying this 4 a while now...but now im a 100 percent believer in this man...i like Akin also...but i hope Bobby can beat him out

I just don't see that he has shown enough flashes of outstanding talent to buy into this - and on top of that the coaches have seen him plenty in practice and have a better idea than we do and he still doesn't play much ...... I just don't buy into the theory that Parcells just doesn't know his head from his backside.

I'm not saying that he doesn't have talent, and I'm personally not that big on Brady James, but up til now I just haven't seen enough evidence that Burnett has more to offer.

Dude, I love Burnett. I think he's the most athletic LB we have on the team. I don't know if he'll win a starting position, but I'd like to see it.

When he blitzes, it looks like he's shot out of a cannon. He's just such an athlete. He used to be a safety and has excellent coverage skills for a LB... which makes me think he might could win the starting spot on a Wade Phillips defense. His ILB's are smaller and more athletic than the one's Parcells needed. He is a good fit there, I think... but we'll see.

I still remember seeing that play at Tenn. when he blitzed and literally jumped over the RB who was trying to block him. Just went up, strattled the guys helment, hit the ground and then kept going after the QB. It was amazing.

Geez - it appears that we have Lawrence Taylor on the team and the coaches have missed it ........

Come on - he is a good athlete, but how many of those "shot out of a cannon blitzes" have made an impact .......?

As for being our most athletic LB, Ware is both stronger and faster, and if I'm not mistaken Carpenter is too. And they are both stronger as well. Maybe Burnett has a little more flexibility, but there is no rational way to just make a certain statement that Burnett is our most athletic LB.

FYI, Burnett is backing up Ayodele and Carpenter is backing up James. So there's no way that Burnett beats out James.

Be realistic - Phillips will play the 2 ILB's that he feels give his team the best chance to succeed, and he wouldn't hesitate to hav Burnett take James' position if he thought James and Ayodele were the two best ILB's.

It's a depth chart - not a sacred, unbending oath punishable by imprisonment if there is any deviation.

 

[theogt]

Be realistic - Phillips will play the 2 ILB's that he feels give his team the best chance to succeed, and he wouldn't hesitate to hav Burnett take James' position if he thought James and Ayodel were the two best ILB's.

It's a DEPTH CHART - not a sacred, unbending oath punishable by imprisonment if there is any deviation.

I'll just say I disagree. They're too distinct positions just as the left and right OLB positions are. James isn't in competition with Burnett and Ayodele isn't in competition with Carpenter.

 

[AsthmaField]

I really don't know what it is. It could be that he doesn't have the head for the game... although he was team captain two times at Tenn and usually you'd think those guys do have the smarts.

It could be that he got in Parcells dog house for some reason and couldn't get out. Poor play could be the reason for that, or it could be that Bill just didn't want a smaller guy out there starting. It could be one of several things.

I do know he has athleticism to spare and I really do hope that he makes a move this season in a different scheme.

One this is for sure... Phillips system is much more suited to Burnett's skills than Parcells was. That gives me hope that he'll see the field more.

 

[theogt]

I really don't know what it is. It could be that he doesn't have the head for the game... although he was team captain two times at Tenn and usually you'd think those guys do have the smarts.

It could be that he got in Parcells dog house for some reason and couldn't get out. Poor play could be the reason for that, or it could be that Bill just didn't want a smaller guy out there starting. It could be one of several things.

I do know he has athleticism to spare and I really do hope that he makes a move this season in a different scheme.

One this is for sure... Phillips system is much more suited to Burnett's skills than Parcells was. That gives me hope that he'll see the field more.

I'll tell you exactly what kept him off field.

1. In 2005 he was injured.
2. In 2006, Parcells didn't consider him an inside linebacker or a left outside linebacker which means he lined up behind arguably the best player on our team.

Really, what chance has he had to get on the field?

 

[AsthmaField]

I'll tell you exactly what kept him off field.

1. In 2005 he was injured.
2. In 2006, Parcells didn't consider him an inside linebacker or a left outside linebacker which means he lined up behind arguably the best player on our team.

Really, what chance has he had to get on the field?

So with Wade now seeing him as a WILB... do you see him beating out Ayodele? I know that Jacksonville wanted to replace Akin because he was a little limited in athleticism and speed... which is why they didn't try to keep him in free agency. With Kevin being so much more athletic and (presumably) better in coverage, do you think he could make Ayodele a part time player?

 

[InmanRoshi]

There's nothing Parcells loves more than a stud linebacker. Any suggestion that he purposely sabotoged Burnett is ridiculous. Parcells repeatedly called him out for mistakes in special teams and missing his special teams assignments. I think Burnett is a smart guy, so for him to continually blow assignments in special teams marks an attitude of nonchalance and a guy who thinks playing special teams is beneath him. Which goes back to Superpunk's story of his sense of entitlement. Its long been rumored that Burnett thinks he's a lot better than he actually is.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

So with Wade now seeing him as a WILB... do you see him beating out Ayodele? I know that Jacksonville wanted to replace Akin because he was a little limited in athleticism and speed... which is why they didn't try to keep him in free agency. With Kevin being so much more athletic and (presumably) better in coverage, do you think he could make Ayodele a part time player?

Ayodele, IMO was our 2nd best LB last year to Ware obviously. Although not the fastest or most athletic he looked the part way more often than BJ did.

Burnett is good, as shown by some plays he made last year as in the Colts INT return and some of the LOS tackles he made. But this D has changed too much in the past 2 years for him to grab a starting spot. Also with the money in Ware, Carp, Spencer, AA and BJ I dont see him or Ellis on our team for much longer. But I believe he could play himself into a rotation with him on the nickel D at LB with Carp because of those 2's ability in coverage and speed.

 

[Stautner]

I'll just say I disagree. They're too distinct positions just as the left and right OLB positions are. James isn't in competition with Burnett and Ayodele isn't in competition with Carpenter.

They are only distinct positions in preparing a backup ...... it's best to have a distinct backup prepared for that particular slot to step in immediately in case of injury.

But in determining the starters there isn't some dramatic difference in skill sets that says Burnett can play one ILB position and not the other. If he were clearly a better ILB than James he would be playing.

Loo at WR - if a long term replacement was needed for either Glenn or TO Crayton would be the guy.

Look at 2 years ago - Tucker was listed as the backup at RT, but when Flozell went down and a long term replacement was needed Tucker moved the the left side. The depth chart didn't restrict them - Parcells went with who he thought could best do the job.

Be realistic - coaches don't look at a player who they think would be the best possible starter at a position and say "DAMN - if only he were the left CB rather than the right CB on the depth chart - then I could play him!".

They will play the 2 best CB's, the two best ILB's, the 2 best WR's ........ they aren't going to prevent their best starter at a position from playing because he was originally listed on the depth chart behind a player other than the CB, ILB or WR being replaced.

 

[theogt]

So with Wade now seeing him as a WILB... do you see him beating out Ayodele? I know that Jacksonville wanted to replace Akin because he was a little limited in athleticism and speed... which is why they didn't try to keep him in free agency. With Kevin being so much more athletic and (presumably) better in coverage, do you think he could make Ayodele a part time player?

I don't see it this year. He may eventually in '08 or beyond, though.

They are only distinct positions in preparing a backup ...... it's best to have a distinct backup prepared for that particular slot to step in immediately in case of injury.

This makes so little sense that I really shouldn't take the time to actually read the rest of your post.

But in determining the starters there isn't some dramatic difference in skill sets that says Burnett can play one ILB position and not the other. If he were clearly a better ILB than James he would be playing.

Loo at WR - if a long term replacement was needed for either Glenn or TO Crayton would be the guy.

There are distinct differences between the positions that Glenn, TO, and Crayton play such that they're not interchangeable. That you think otherwise is just evidence that it was bad decision for me to continue reading your post.

Look at 2 years ago - Tucker was listed as the backup at RT, but when Flozell went down and a long term replacement was needed Tucker moved the the left side. The depth chart didn't restrict them - Parcells went with who he thought could best do the job.

Is this supposed to be an argument against their being distinct differences between Mo and Mike ILB positions in the Phillips 3-4? And by the way, no where did I say that Burnett couldn't play the position or that he wouldn't if he was forced over because of injury.

Be realistic - coaches don't look at a player who they think would be the best possible starter at a position and say "DAMN - if only he were the left CB rather than the right CB on the depth chart - then I could play him!".

They will play the 2 best CB's, the two best ILB's, the 2 best WR's ........ they aren't going to prevent their best starter at a position from playing because he was originally listed on the depth chart behind a player other than the CB, ILB or WR being replaced.

You want me to be realistic? I will if you don't be be dumb. Different positions call for different skill sets.

 

[Stautner]

I don't see it this year. He may eventually in '08 or beyond, though.

This makes so little sense that I really shouldn't take the time to actually read the rest of your post.

There are distinct differences between the positions that Glenn, TO, and Crayton play such that they're not interchangeable. That you think otherwise is just evidence that it was bad decision for me to continue reading your post.

Is this supposed to be an argument against their being distinct differences between Mo and Mike ILB positions in the Phillips 3-4? And by the way, no where did I say that Burnett couldn't play the position or that he wouldn't if he was forced over because of injury.

You want me to be realistic? I will if you don't be be dumb. Different positions call for different skill sets.

FIRST: My point was that IF BURNETT HAD THE TALENT TO START OVER James then the depth chart wouldn't matter.

This negates ALL the differences crap you are spewing, because I wasn't even discussing him taking over James position if he wasn't qualified.

Stick to the point!



Even so, you are saying that the ILB positions are so different that Ayodele couldn't play the other or James couldn't play the other or Carpenter can ONLY back up James and Burnett can ONLY back-up Ayodele ......

And you are saying that Crayton is incapable of starting at either WR spot ......?

As for OT, there actually is an argument that there is MORE of a distinct difference in the 2 OT spots in that the speed rushers are much more likely to be on the right side - the QB's blind side. Speed and quickness is the premium at LT while strenghth is at RT.



Now let me explain a little more about what I was saying and see if your feeble mind can comprehend:

The reason depth chart is important in short term cases (emergency duty or 1-2 games) is that there isn't a transition or learning curve - the one trained specifically to backup James will be best short term even if a little less talented simply because he is specifically trained for it. But long term is different - when talking about the starter you train whoever is the best equipped to handle the job, not just who is listed where on the depth chart. You take the time to get the better player ready when you expect him to hold down the position long term.

 

[Vintage]

FIRST: My point was that IF BURNETT HAD THE TALENT TO START OVER James then the depth chart wouldn't matter.

This negates ALL the differences crap you are spewing, because I wasn't even discussing him taking over James position if he wasn't qualified.

Stick to the point!



Even so, you are saying that the ILB positions are so different that Ayodele couldn't play the other or James couldn't play the other or Carpenter can ONLY back up James and Burnett can ONLY back-up Ayodele ......

And you are saying that Crayton is incapable of starting at either WR spot ......?

As for OT, there actually is an argument that there is MORE of a distinct difference in the 2 OT spots in that the speed rushers are much more likely to be on the right side - the QB's blind side. Speed and quickness is the premium at LT while strenghth is at RT.



Now let me explain a little more about what I was saying and see if your feeble mind can comprehend:

The reason depth chart is important in short term cases (emergency duty or 1-2 games) is that there isn't a transition or learning curve - the one trained specifically to backup James will be best short term because he is specifically trained for it. But long term is different - when talking about the starter you train whoever is the best equipped to handle the job, not just who is listed where on the depth chart. You take the time to get the better player ready when you expect him to hold down the position long term.

Hurd started the game instead of Crayton FWIW....

 

[Stautner]

Hurd started the game instead of Crayton FWIW....

Read the bottom of my post about short term solutions ........

 

[Future]

He's a tremendous athlete and would start on probably any 4-3 defense at OLB. But Bradie's job belongs to carp, and he won't start over Ware or Spencer.

I love him in the nickel though, thats for sure. Its too bad for him, and us that he wont be around too long, but I'll root for him when he gets a shot to start somewhere.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

He has to Def beat out Bradie James...he just has too...and i think he will.....i was watching so many plays our D made last year...and I cant help but notice...that Burnett was a freaking force last year...the limited action he saw... he was a damn good force, and making plays....and damn after watching some of the plays this guy is so damn athletic its not even funny...for a LB hes pretty fast and shows good coverage skills....and makes smart plays...and is a pretty good blitz-er.....

I'm a big Bradie supporter....but i have to go with Burnett....i really hope this guy gets his due's and has a chance to shine...im telling you...i think he can be something real special....

I know some have been saying this 4 a while now...but now im a 100 percent believer in this man...i like Akin also...but i hope Bobby can beat him out

Like O M G
He is Like such a Hottie
Like No Way should he not Start
Like he is so rad and that other guy is so
gag me with a spoon​

Sorry...had to be done.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Dude, I love Burnett. I think he's the most athletic LB we have on the team. I don't know if he'll win a starting position, but I'd like to see it.

When he blitzes, it looks like he's shot out of a cannon. He's just such an athlete. He used to be a safety and has excellent coverage skills for a LB... which makes me think he might could win the starting spot on a Wade Phillips defense. His ILB's are smaller and more athletic than the one's Parcells needed. He is a good fit there, I think... but we'll see.

I still remember seeing that play at Tenn. when he blitzed and literally jumped over the RB who was trying to block him. Just went up, strattled the guys helment, hit the ground and then kept going after the QB. It was amazing.

He can be our Donnie Edwards, only faster and stronger. Burnett is more of a 4-3 LB, but then again so was Donnie Edwards... in this scheme it won't matter, because the ILB has duties that parallel a 4-3 LB.

If Burnett can stay off of the injury list and get a starting job people will see how talented this guy is.

 

[silverbear]

He has to Def beat out Bradie James...he just has too...and i think he will.....i was watching so many plays our D made last year...and I cant help but notice...that Burnett was a freaking force last year...the limited action he saw... he was a damn good force, and making plays...

What in God's name are you talking about, "making plays"?? Here's Burnett's stats line thus far in his career:

29 games played... 55 total tackles (less than 2 per game)... 2 sacks... 1 interception (on a tipped ball, IOW more or less a gimme)... 1 pass defensed... ONE PASS DEFENSED, in 29 games played... 2 forced fumbles... 0 fumbles recovered...

So basically, in 29 games, the guy's made 6 impact plays, one of them a gift-- 2 sacks, 1 int, 1 pass defensed, 2 forced fumbles...

for a LB hes pretty fast and shows good coverage skills....

One interception and one pass defensed in 29 games is "good coverage skills"?? Others in this thread have pointed out the occasions last season where he got victimized in coverage, no need to revisit that...

and is a pretty good blitz-er.....

2 sacks in 29 games is a "pretty good blitz-er"??

Burnett might eventually be the player you say he is already, I hope he does, but no way you can legitimately say he's good in coverage, a good blitzer, or that he makes a lot of big plays... not at this point... calling him a "force" is a farce...

 

[silverbear]

lol, man i am soooooooo serious

Then gimme a hit of whatever you're smoking, I'd like to escape reality for a while too...

 

[silverbear]

Like O M G
He is Like such a Hottie
Like No Way should he not Start
Like he is so rad and that other guy is so
gag me with a spoon​

Sorry...had to be done.

Well, there's my laugh of the day so far... the first post in this thread DID come off kinda groupie-esque, didn't it??