On June 22, 2017 Derek Carr was signed a 5-year $125m contract extension

[TheMarathonContinues]

How is Dak not signing a new contract in 2019 going to waste this talented team?

He was making a point about letting Dak go in favor of a rookie quarterback.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's not how the world works. Guess what happens when you decide to start paying players less than market value? Or what happens when you decide to change the market and lowball everyone? They will just go to a team that will give them what they want lol. You think Kirk Cousins had anyone wanting to give him 28 million other than the Vikings lol? Even the Commanders didn't think he was worth that.

Doesn't sound like a problem to me. If you knew jack about Cousins, you would know that the deal he got with the Vikes is pretty much up in 2020. That contract you like to refer to, it's a three year deal so we basically have Dak for three years if we want him and then we can go get Cousins if you love him so much. Problem solved, let him play on a prove it deal, let him piss away 28 mil this year. I'm good with it. We are prepared to pay him 30 plus. If we only have to pay him 2 this year, then I'm good with paying him 32 over 5 years, if he's lucky. But I'm telling you, I think he's making a mistake but it's his to make. If we just let him play it out, and he doesn't improve, then there is a good chance that we don't have a winning season. There is a good chance that Garrett is no more and there is a good chance that a new HC might look at this and decide to let Dak go find a contract elsewhere, make that trade and try to move up and pick up one of the 4 or 5 top QB prospects in the next draft. I can absolutely see that happening and then we will see what Dak is worth. Honestly, there is no down side to any of this for the Cowboys, except if they over commit now and Dak does not become the QB you want him to be. That's just the truth of it.

 

[erod]

You know Aaron Rodgers to me is the best quarterback in the league.........but when we discuss last year.....Dak was responsible for 29 touchdowns last season and made the post season. Rodgers was responsible for 27 touchdowns. Proof that even the best quarterback in the league needs help and rightfully so.

Rodgers had ZERO help. That roster was a clown show.

And they still averaged 3 points more than the Cowboys.

Rodgers only threw 2 interceptions, but their leading rusher was Aaron Jones (who?), and their receivers were either hurt, old, or ineffective.

Couple that with bad defense, and a lame duck coach, and you that's what you get.

They've rebuilt their team in the offseason.

 

[erod]

I just don't want to waste this talented team and have another 5+ year stretch of pitchers or something.

The Cowboys own Dak for 4 more years if they want him. They hold all the leverage here. He's not going to hold out with a $32 million franchise tag next year, and thanks to Zeke, he can't really do much at the moment.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It wouldn't last or continue if the salary cap remained constant and didn't continue to rise. The players are only making more money because the pool of money they are dividing is going up. It has lasted for almost 100 seasons.

No. If this were unified across the board, then it wouldn't be a problem but that's not what you are seeing in the NFL. What you are seeing is an unhealthy rise in QB salary and it's making up to great a percentage of the total cap. That can't continue. You can't pay skilled positions to large a percentage and keep enough depth at all other position to be good enough to win a championship. I mean, it's not as if players at other positions are settling for less. Their contract demands are increasing as well so what you are seeing is quality experience and depth leaving. That is not going to last. Your statement about lasting for almost 100 years, well, it hasn't been this way for 100 years. In the past, players have been plaid on their merits. Now, we are moving to a model that pays them based on the prior highest contract. That's a terrible model to follow. That's very different and is only something we've seen very recently.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Rodgers had ZERO help. That roster was a clown show.

And they still averaged 3 points more than the Cowboys.

Rodgers only threw 2 interceptions, but their leading rusher was Aaron Jones (who?), and their receivers were either hurt, old, or ineffective.

Couple that with bad defense, and a lame duck coach, and you that's what you get.

They've rebuilt their team in the offseason.

Ok but like I said even the best quarterbacks in the league need help lol. That was my point.

 

[erod]

Ok but like I said even the best quarterbacks in the league need help lol. That was my point.

Of course. Especially most quarterbacks like Dak. I certainly want him to have it.

But if we pay him $35 million, the roster is going to start to disintegrate over time.

Think about it. After Jaylon and LVE, we could see 80 percent of the cap devoted to 9 guys.

That is bad business.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Doesn't sound like a problem to me. If you knew jack about Cousins, you would know that the deal he got with the Vikes is pretty much up in 2020. That contract you like to refer to, it's a three year deal so we basically have Dak for three years if we want him and then we can go get Cousins if you love him so much. Problem solved, let him play on a prove it deal, let him piss away 28 mil this year. I'm good with it. We are prepared to pay him 30 plus. If we only have to pay him 2 this year, then I'm good with paying him 32 over 5 years, if he's lucky. But I'm telling you, I think he's making a mistake but it's his to make. If we just let him play it out, and he doesn't improve, then there is a good chance that we don't have a winning season. There is a good chance that Garrett is no more and there is a good chance that a new HC might look at this and decide to let Dak go find a contract elsewhere, make that trade and try to move up and pick up one of the 4 or 5 top QB prospects in the next draft. I can absolutely see that happening and then we will see what Dak is worth. Honestly, there is no down side to any of this for the Cowboys, except if they over commit now and Dak does not become the QB you want him to be. That's just the truth of it.

That isn't how the contract will work. Dak's new deal will start after this season. He's making $2 million this year as far as the salary cap whether he gets a new deal or not . However, if he were to sign he would get the signing bonus. But he isn't losing money by not taking the deal now.

 

[G2]

The Cowboys own Dak for 4 more years if they want him. They hold all the leverage here. He's not going to hold out with a $32 million franchise tag next year, and thanks to Zeke, he can't really do much at the moment.

That wasn't my point at all.

 

[G2]

How is Dak not signing a new contract in 2019 going to waste this talented team?

If you keep my post in context, by not having a franchise QB. Pretty simple.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That isn't how the contract will work. Dak's new deal will start after this season. He's making $2 million this year as far as the salary cap whether he gets a new deal or not . However, if he were to sign he would get the signing bonus. But he isn't losing money by not taking the deal now.

Stop already. This thread has been going on for pages. We know how it works. He would absolutely be losing money because he would be playing a year at 2 mil, where as, if he signed, his deal could be restructured or he could get his money early and be paid this year and for the next 4 or 5 years. The longer he waits, the less money he makes over the span of his career. This is absolutely how it works so yes, he is losing money. You can add that and say that he could be franchised which would definitely cost him or, he could just not have a great season next year and that would absolutely cost him. There are so many ways he could lose money here.

 

[blueblood70]

.............Derek Carr was signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension with $70 million in total guarantees which made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

Did Derek Carr's agent come to the table and say his client was the best quarterback in the league and deserved to be the highest paid player in the league? Of course not. But they knew the power of inflation. They knew that the higher the salary cap got the higher the salary of quarterbacks would get.

So where do you think that contract ranks just 2 years later?

1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
3. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
4. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
5. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
6. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
7. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
8. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 millio
9. Raiders QB Derek Carr: $25 million


So in just TWO YEARS........Derek Carr went from being the highest paid quarterback in the league to #9. And actually with the Tom Brady extension he may actually be #10 if I'm not mistaken.

So what's my point? I'm sure its obvious to many. Dak may sign a contract that makes him top 3 highest paid but with guys like Goff, Mariota, Winston, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, etc. coming up in the next couple of years? That deal won't even be top 10 especially if you factor in the veterans who will need new deal coming up.

we dont need to GET IT, listen its the Carr contratcs that make the OTHER guys who are clearly better then him seek bigeger and bigger deals, it keeps resetting the market and has to stop.. its not inflation per se its overpaying Players who are not at the time nor in the future ever going to paly up to that contract and then makes the next guy who comes up claim, Market.. the market keeps rising because owners keep caving to paying Elite money to Average players.. who give a flip if Dak gets 30 now and it slips to 10 or 15 best in 5years 30million is 30million and over 5 years with guaranteed money he and his family are set for life..its reciprocal and its mistakes like this and say what others claiming Gurleys contract was but one you do it you cant go back until the majority put their foot down and stop the cycle they are in right now..

some owners need to step off the merry go round and it will happen soon because more and more QBs being drafted are paying as rookies and playing well, overpaying because of limited starting QBs is coming to an end soon..

 

[blueblood70]

Been over this with the Dak trolls. They simply dont get it.

ok ZEKE TROLL dont be hypocrite MR.ROY , Zekes the only one that deserves market and its only 15 not some ridiculous number that way over the actual production.. so I guess one troll looking into mirror will recognize another..makes sense..lmao

 

[Sydla]

If you keep my post in context, by not having a franchise QB. Pretty simple.

The context, however, was whether they should sign him now.

Frankly, when they sign him doesn’t really affect whether we waste the next 5 years or not. Dak could play well in 2019 and they sign him if they haven’t done so already. Or Dak plays so-so and we face the real possibility that we might waste the next 4-5 years anyway on an average QB.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Stop already. This thread has been going on for pages. We know how it works. He would absolutely be losing money because he would be playing a year at 2 mil, where as, if he signed, his deal could be restructured or he could get his money early and be paid this year and for the next 4 or 5 years. The longer he waits, the less money he makes over the span of his career. This is absolutely how it works so yes, he is losing money. You can add that and say that he could be franchised which would definitely cost him or, he could just not have a great season next year and that would absolutely cost him. There are so many ways he could lose money here.

I didn't say he couldn't lose money. I said he isn't losing a year as a highly paid qb as you claimed. Restructuring has nothing to do with it. I said he would collect the signing bonus on a new deal immediately but the years are being added to the current deal. The Wentz deal works the same way except his has two years left before the extension kicks in.

If he takes less than $32 million a year, he's basically giving a discount cause that's where the franchise tag will be.

 

[CPanther95]

.............Derek Carr was signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension with $70 million in total guarantees which made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

Did Derek Carr's agent come to the table and say his client was the best quarterback in the league and deserved to be the highest paid player in the league? Of course not. But they knew the power of inflation. They knew that the higher the salary cap got the higher the salary of quarterbacks would get.

So where do you think that contract ranks just 2 years later?

1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
3. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
4. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
5. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
6. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
7. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
8. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 millio
9. Raiders QB Derek Carr: $25 million


So in just TWO YEARS........Derek Carr went from being the highest paid quarterback in the league to #9. And actually with the Tom Brady extension he may actually be #10 if I'm not mistaken.

So what's my point? I'm sure its obvious to many. Dak may sign a contract that makes him top 3 highest paid but with guys like Goff, Mariota, Winston, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, etc. coming up in the next couple of years? That deal won't even be top 10 especially if you factor in the veterans who will need new deal coming up.

Then how 'bout a contract that makes him the 10th highest in the league (around $25M), but inflates annually so he maintains that position.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

The other thing to consider here is that for Dak there is no urgency to sign. He can play another year and next season the market resets upward again so then 40 million will be the normal.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't say he couldn't lose money. I said he isn't losing a year as a highly paid qb as you claimed. Restructuring has nothing to do with it. I said he would collect the signing bonus on a new deal immediately but the years are being added to the current deal. The Wentz deal works the same way except his has two years left before the extension kicks in.

If he takes less than $32 million a year, he's basically giving a discount cause that's where the franchise tag will be.

There is no guarantee that it would be a Wentz deal because, if he does not sign this year, it can't be a Wentz deal. After this year, he's an FA unless he gets tagged. It can't be a Wentz deal unless he signs this year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The other thing to consider here is that for Dak there is no urgency to sign. He can play another year and next season the market resets upward again so then 40 million will be the normal.

Not necessarily. If he has a bad year, there is no guarantee that his offer doesn't decline. Heck, if the Cowboys lose, we could have a different Coaching Staff and they could want to go another way. I mean, a lot could change.

 

[blueblood70]

The Cowboys own Dak for 4 more years if they want him. They hold all the leverage here. He's not going to hold out with a $32 million franchise tag next year, and thanks to Zeke, he can't really do much at the moment.

I heard the FT is 25 next year and 32 the year after..close anyway, thats a dc favor..