On the Mark: Goodell Changing the Rules

[peplaw06]

Leave it to the lawyer to label those protesting against animal cruelty as 'crazies' while sticking up for the rights of the 'accused'.

And they wonder why they get the reputation that they do.

Here's why.

A bit of hyperbole on my part, but the point remains. A policy that leaves no doubt as to what is going to happen, should draw less pressure from outside influences.

PETA mustered a whole 50 people to protest at NFL offices on Friday. And they got another 4 dozen at Falcons headquarters. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19869362/

So the pressure they've "exerted" through protests doesn't even seem like a blip on the radar. The most pressure, I'm sure has come through back channels. i.e. advertisers and sponsors who are worried about their bottom line also.

And I'd much rather have the reputation of standing up for the accused than protesting every time a dog is put on a leash.

 

[Vintage]

A bit of hyperbole on my part, but the point remains. A policy that leaves no doubt as to what is going to happen, should draw less pressure from outside influences.

PETA mustered a whole 50 people to protest at NFL offices on Friday. And they got another 4 dozen at Falcons headquarters. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19869362/

So the pressure they've "exerted" through protests doesn't even seem like a blip on the radar. The most pressure, I'm sure has come through back channels. i.e. advertisers and sponsors who are worried about their bottom line also.

And I'd much rather have the reputation of standing up for the accused than protesting every time a dog is put on a leash.

I wonder what PETA does to companies who manufacture electric shock collars?

Or electric fences?

I mean, electric fences are used both on farms and the "invisible electric fence" on other properties for dogs...

Do they protest the use of them? Do they protest the manufacturers?

I am guessing PETA doesn't spend much time on farms and seen chickens get butchered. Where do they think the saying "run around like a chicken with your head cut off" comes from?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I dunno. Baseball has an extremely powerful union -- to the point that they fight EVERYTHING, no matter what it is. Take the steroid testing, for instance -- they fought it like crazy. And there are many more examples.

Sometimes, in the long run, that's not the best thing for the players. So I'm not so sure what is so wrong with working WITH the league rather than resisting everything. I know some of you want to say, "The player is represented, but Upshaw is so stupid/incomepetent it doesn't matter", but the players apparently think he's doing a fine job of looking out for their interests. They did just recently get a BIG chunk of revenues in the latest CBA.

Anyway... Mort is on ESPN radio right now as I type this. He claims that Blank was so furious with Vick, he was almost ready to cut him. He says Goodell basically did this to call a time out, to keep Blank from doing anything rash.

He also said he saw a Falcons highlight/promotional video, and there was not one single shot of Vick anywhere. Even the TD passes showed nothing of the QB throwing the ball.

Mort said the league is trying to corroborate certain facts in the case. He expects Vick to eventually be suspended for the year and cut by the Falcons.

Just FYI.

 

[Stash]

A bit of hyperbole on my part, but the point remains. A policy that leaves no doubt as to what is going to happen, should draw less pressure from outside influences.

PETA mustered a whole 50 people to protest at NFL offices on Friday. And they got another 4 dozen at Falcons headquarters. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19869362/

So the pressure they've "exerted" through protests doesn't even seem like a blip on the radar. The most pressure, I'm sure has come through back channels. i.e. advertisers and sponsors who are worried about their bottom line also.

And I'd much rather have the reputation of standing up for the accused than protesting every time a dog is put on a leash.

Again, you try to trivialize things 'Counselor'. Helps you guys sleep at night.

And I'd much rather 'stand' with people fighting for something good than 'standing' with a piece of garbage.

No matter the 'financial implications'.

If everyone sat around merely watching things happen, nothing would change.

I get a kick out of the clowns who try to criticize PETA for having '12 year olds' protesting. I guess the point escapes them that those '12 year olds' know right from wrong better than a grown man does.

 

[Doomsday101]

You must be new to the forums.



Either that, or you're not quite sure who Gene Upshaw is.

The NFLPA has stood up for players on many occations the lastest was the Culpepper. Goodell concerns are for the league and is doing what they feel is in the league best interest and is well within his rights to make this move. Vick is not being deprived of money and can now focus on these problems at hand.

 

[superpunk]

The NFLPA has stood up for players on many occations the lastest was the Culpepper. Goodell concerns are for the league and is doing what they feel is in the league best interest and is well within his rights to make this move. Vick is not being deprived of money and can now focus on these problems at hand.

The point is - you either didn't read everything before saying " I don't see anyone coming down on the NFLPA", or you aren't sure who Gene Upshaw is - because he's done been criticized right along with Adolf Goodell.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wonder what PETA does to companies who manufacture electric shock collars?

Or electric fences?

I mean, electric fences are used both on farms and the "invisible electric fence" on other properties for dogs...

Do they protest the use of them? Do they protest the manufacturers?

I am guessing PETA doesn't spend much time on farms and seen chickens get butchered. Where do they think the saying "run around like a chicken with your head cut off" comes from?

On the collar issue they want them banned. As for Chickens I'm sure they are against that as well but I think even they can understand the difference between food and dog fighting.

 

[Kangaroo]

You people realize that Goddell talks to the player council before handing out his suspensions and gets their input on the issue.

Player reps like Jason Witten of the Cowboys do voice the players stance and get an input on this whole process.

 

[Vintage]

I am sure stasheroo that the fine upstanding citizens of PETA would never use children for gains to their cause.

They would only use children who were well versed on the topic and felt the need to protest with a well knowledgable understanding of what was going on.

That 4-5 year old I saw the other day on TV protesting, I am sure, was very advanced for her age.

PETA has the right to protest. They should protest if they feel strongly about it (which, obviously, they do). I just find it somewhat amusing that you see kids with probably no understanding of what they are doing other than doing what someone told them to do; hold a sign.

 

[peplaw06]

Again, you try to trivialize things 'Counselor'. Helps you guys sleep at night.

And I'd much rather 'stand' with people fighting for something good than 'standing' with a piece of garbage.

I don't expect you to understand, since you've probably never seen the inside of a courtroom. Ever had to hire an attorney?

If everyone sat around merely watching things happen, nothing would change.

Good point. You stand up for puppies and I'll stand up for humans.

I get a kick out of the clowns who try to criticize PETA for having '12 year olds' protesting. I guess the point escapes them that those '12 year olds' know right from wrong better than a grown man does.

LOL yeah. I know I could learn a lot from a 12 year old.

“Just because he’s famous, he shouldn’t get off the hook,” said Emory Lewman, 12, of Sandy Springs, who came with three of her friends.

I mean look here... If we don't suspend and/or execute Vick right now, that means we let him off the hook. Brilliant!!

 

[Doomsday101]

The point is - you either didn't read everything before saying " I don't see anyone coming down on the NFLPA", or you aren't sure who Gene Upshaw is - because he's done been criticized right along with Adolf Goodell.

The NFLPA is not just Upshaw if the members aka the players where up in arms as some are here I would think you would hear more of an outcry from players. Right now I only see a few around here giving Vick this pity party. I don't want to see Vick go to jail without his day in court but the NFL is not a court and is not run like the justice system and under the player conduct clause Goodell is well within his right to do what he is doing

 

[superpunk]

The NFLPA is not just Upshaw if the members aka the players where up in arms as some are here I would think you would hear more of an outcry from players. Right now I only see a few around here giving Vick this pity party. I don't want to see Vick go to jail without his day in court but the NFL is not a court and is not run like the justice system and under the player conduct clause Goodell is well within his right to do what he is doing

So what I see here, is that you didn't read around before you went off about how noone is criticizing the NFLPA.

It's ok. I forgive you.

 

[Stash]

I don't expect you to understand, since you've probably never seen the inside of a courtroom. Ever had to hire an attorney?

Fortunately, no.

Good point. You stand up for puppies and I'll stand up for humans.

I'll stand for what's right 'Counselor', you stand to make the profit, like many other lawyers.

LOL yeah. I know I could learn a lot from a 12 year old.

Maybe a lesson in moral values......

I mean look here... If we don't suspend and/or execute Vick right now, that means we let him off the hook. Brilliant!!

By all means, stand up for your adopted 'client' against the stark injustices of this cruel world.

After all, he's the 'Vicktim' here........

 

[Doomsday101]

So what I see here, is that you didn't read around before you went off about how noone is criticizing the NFLPA.

It's ok. I forgive you.

I only made a point. Did I read every single post in this now 5 page thread? no I didn't and not looking for forgiveness. I have no problem with you addressing what I wrote but I can live without the smart ars additude.

 

[03EBZ06]

Good point. You stand up for puppies and I'll stand up for humans.

Is there any reason why you couldn't stand up for all victims?

 

[superpunk]

I only made a point. Did I read every single post in this now 5 page thread? no I didn't and not looking for forgiveness. I have no problem with you addressing what I wrote but I can live without the smart ars additude.

I did address what you wrote.

It was incorrect. I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand.

Just remember - you've got to be smart to be a smart-***.

 

[Doomsday101]

I did address what you wrote.

It was incorrect. I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand.

Just remember - you've got to be smart to be a smart-***.

or just a child. I have just seen a lot of whinning about Goodell and evidently did not see the comments on the NFLPA, if I missed that then sorry

 

[superpunk]

or just a child. I have just seen a lot of whinning about Goodell and evidently did not see the comments on the NFLPA, if I missed that then sorry

Children really aren't very good at being **********. They haven't developed sarcasm, they don't know a whole lot - it just doesn't really work for them.

Good lookin' out.

 

[5Stars]

Oh it wouldn't be easy, but I'm sure the league and all their attorneys could get it done, rather than pushing through some vague policy that basically gives one guy the final say in all things "detrimental."

It doesn't even have to come up with every permutation of criminal activity. Hell I'd be happy if it said, if you're indicted, you get suspension with pay... if convicted you get x, if executed you get x. Rather, we get some cryptic phrase with full Commissioner discretion, and everyone's okay with that.

Create a higher standard, I don't care. But right now we have no standard. Just Goodell.

My oh my, peplaw! Look at what you have just done!

Bad, peplaw...bad, bad, bad!

:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[peplaw06]

Fortunately, no.

I'll stand for what's right 'Counselor', you stand to make the profit, like many other lawyers.

Maybe a lesson in moral values......

By all means, stand up for your adopted 'client' against the stark injustices of this cruel world.

After all, he's the 'Vicktim' here........

Funny, someone who has admittedly never dealt with a lawyer, and never dealt with me personally, decides to give me a lecture on my moral values. I assume you're just going off stories you have heard about other attorneys. Thus, I will give your opinions their due weight.