Once Again, Dalton folds in a big game

[ShaneFalco]

you keep harping on plummer (hmmm) and him beating a dallas team that has ZERO players on the current team or totally irrelevant to todays team.

I can recite irrelevant history as well.

But Plummer’s playoff record isn’t irrelevant.
Its what “Stats” record was over the same time.

 

[bigE79]

He was pretty bad in the first half, but he was pretty damn effective in the 2nd half (and really towards the end of the first half too).

Sort of like all the Dak games this year, putrid first half.

 

[G2]

Unless we're talking about Dalton, apparently.

I quoted what you posted. And no, it's not an individual stat. Using it as a point to support your narrative is erroneous.

 

[khiladi]

Dak-fans trying so hard to find redemption in Andy’s performance, while Dak is below league average in QB rating with four minutes to go and a TD is needed. And this with all five of his starting linemen and a healthy Zeke.

but let me guess, Dak had his finger cut off and his shoulder was dislocated three feet from his AC joint when he threw for 44 times against a third string Eagle secondary to choke away the division, with all five starting linemen and a healthy Zeke who rushed only 13 times? Dak really carried us then, to the point he couldn’t even score throw for 2 TDs against a broken Eagles secondary that even Haskins did the game before.. I’ve heard every excuse, that even the Eagles defense was better than the Giants this year, though the Giants were the tenth ranked scoring defense and the Eagles were allowing teams like the Dolphins at that point in the year to hang 37 on them. Dak was given the ball on his own 45 yard line on the second to last drive and could only lead them to the Philly 31. We weren’t even threatening the whole game, unlike the Giants this game.

So much pressure there against the Eagles!!!

Dak ‘taking sacks’ with a top 5 OL, because of holding the ball too long is not the some thing as Dalton taking sacks with third string OL with the quickest release in football the last five weeks, because the OL can’t block worth crap or get any push. Only THREE QBs since week 11 have a quicker release than Dalton, and they are Big Ben, Ryan Fitzgerald and Tom Brady.

And in their last ten games, meaning when Dak left the squad, they’ve played with 15 five-man combinations at OL. You Dak-stans will try anything, completely ignoring reality.

 

[CowboyRoy]

"How to fail as a QB in a big game", How about Philly the big 9 point outburst. How about the Saints, the Bears, there are many more. Dak is a tier up better QB than Dalton which isn't saying a whole lot, I never was a Dalton fan by the way, just another of your stream of hate and lies. If Dak just played this game the same way you would be calling out MM, the OL the D and pointing to his hurt left hand. This is problem with Dak blind hero worshipers, they somehow can't see what he is a solid tier 2 QB. Just remember 5 seasons as a starter 1 play off win, your hero fails often.

Dak is top 7 and moving up top 5. Making you look like a complete fool with your dumb prediction that he was backup material.

Your in the dunce/cry baby category that couldn’t see the talent and leadership and will continue to cry as he leads our offense for the next 5 years minimum.

 

[khiladi]

Let’s show another one where he throws it behind his WR, leading to an INT, with NO PRESSURE on him. Got to love him backpedaling as well, leading to the late release. MVP Year folks!

I heard it here that Dak doesn’t throw behind his WRs like Dalton allegedly does, and when he does it doesn’t lead to INTs. So much pressure there Dak had to work with. I’m surprised he even got it off!

 

[blueblood70]

He's played one team with a winning record, and he's 0-1 in that one game.

He has 4 wins, but they were to the Vikings, the Niners, the Eagles, and Bengals. Dak at least beat the Rams and the Eagles last year... teams that had a winning record.

first off dak did it with healthy team,, and secondly you must have forgot Pollard and zeke ut on show , the run game and actually better defense hammered the rams not Dak..

put this in perspective AD played with 3rd string OL, zeke hurt, , no Jarwin, and coaches and defense that constantly put the team from plays from behind..

what did dak do sown the stretch when absolutely needed? he folded like cheap tent...his last half of 19 was forgettable and his 1-3 start this year also..so with a healthy team Dak went 8-8 and followed it with `1-3 so -9-11

with 3rd string team dalton went 4-6? so about the same win%..

not saying Daltons better but lets get real here..

 

[khiladi]

The comical thing is, Dak against the Vikings in 2019 boasted the longest time to throw that week at like 3.2 seconds, while Andy beat the Vikings averaging 2.16 seconds to throw in 2020. That Vikings game where Dak folded like a cheap tent as usual is considered pretty much his best performance to date.

Andy wasn’t playing with the benefit of play action over and over and over again. This idea Dak would have survived in these conditions Andy worked with doesn’t find an ounce of evidence to stand on.

Play action wasn’t even feasible as a consistent staple in this pass protection and blocking.

 

[khiladi]

Dak is essentially Jared Goff, both of them completely dependent on play action like no other QB in the league, both of them having top 4 drops in QB rating going to their second progression. But Goff throws way more from the traditional drop back while Dak is better throwing on the run and ad-libbing.

neither are elite, both are pretenders that getting paid way too much.

 

[khiladi]

And look at the type of looks the play-action affords Dak, with Cooper getting that man coverage on Dallas turf... Nobody guards Cooper in man on this type of turf when play-action is forcing the safety up. That’s why Dak’s numbers in man sky rocketed throwing to Cooper in 2018, but completely sucked against cover 2 zone.

Having Cooper as a weapon against man defenses has improved the entire offense, as Prescott’s game has been elevated to new heights against man defenses, including a 48-point jump in IQR.

Comp % Y/A TD INT IQR
Pre Amari 52% 6.2 3 3 71
With Amari 61% 8.8 8 1 119

Despite this massive jump in production against man defense, Prescott has not had nearly as much success against a zone defense and his IQR has dropped from 100 to 84 with Cooper on the roster. Though he has an 80 percent completion percentage versus zones, it’s almost entirely short-pass based. He has no touchdowns and two interceptions on 91 attempts

It will be interesting to see if the Colts zone-heavy defensive scheme will be the answer to finally stopping Prescott and Cooper this weekend.

https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com...-amari-cooper-face-challenge-with-colts-zone/

And Dak couldn’t even put up a single point against the Colts that year. Dak doesn’t throw up holes in the zone and takes the easy check-down. Big whoop..

All that time in the GB image with the OL and the safety biting and Dak still throws that egg.

 

[Risen Star]

Dalton has been average at best during his career, with the biggest issue with him is folding when it counts the most, having some of his absolute worst performances when it counts. he has had his 4 worst performances in his playoff games and was 1-12 in games that mattered...now 1-13.

yesterday he couldn't hit side of a barn in the first half. he couldn't even hit his usual dink and dunk throws. he made all the wrong reads and he held on to the ball way way too long at times leading to sacks....and his last throw was awful, plain bad for a veteran QB...as soon as he threw the ball, I saw 6 blue jersey's in the end zone and my immediate thought was why? why throw a floating duck when you see 6 blue jerseys' in the end zone and only two cowboys players....

in the end, Dalton couldn't beat any starting QBs in the league......

and now, having seen first hand, I am not sure he is even the answer to back up QB spot, if all he is able to do is beat 4-11 teams playing their back up QBs....a back up should be capable of keeping the team competitive, against average and good teams...he was never able to do that....

keeping Dalton is a mistake even as a back up....we could at least keep a low round draft developmental player. Dalton is not even developmental and there is no upside.

Prescott, in the division deciding, win or go home game last year: 25/44 265 yards, 0 TDs, 9 points

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dak is essentially Jared Goff, both of them completely dependent on play action like no other QB in the league, both of them having top 4 drops in QB rating going to their second progression. But Goff throws way more from the traditional drop back while Dak is better throwing on the run and ad-libbing.

neither are elite, both are pretenders that getting paid way too much.

Man, does LA regret that contract.

 

[khiladi]

Prescott, in the division deciding, win or go home game last year: 25/44 265 yards, 0 TDs, 9 points

Three of those points came when he got the ball at the Dallas 45 and in the fourth quarter, down 17 to 3. Like close to 80 of his yards came on the meaningless last drive.

At least Andy made it real, against pro-bowl Giants corners, not third string scrubs off the street. Should have won if Lamb decided to catch the ball thrown right in his hands without him even having the slow down.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Three of those points came when he got the ball at the Dallas 45 and in the fourth quarter, down 17 to 3. Like close to 80 of his yards came on the meaningless last drive.

At least Andy made it real, against pro-bowl Giants corners, not third string scrubs off the street.

But Dak looked damn good doing it.
Cousins good. LOL

 

[G2]

Dalton couldn't throw a single TD vs NY.

 

[Yobwocs]

first off dak did it with healthy team,, and secondly you must have forgot Pollard and zeke ut on show , the run game and actually better defense hammered the rams not Dak..

put this in perspective AD played with 3rd string OL, zeke hurt, , no Jarwin, and coaches and defense that constantly put the team from plays from behind..

what did dak do sown the stretch when absolutely needed? he folded like cheap tent...his last half of 19 was forgettable and his 1-3 start this year also..so with a healthy team Dak went 8-8 and followed it with `1-3 so -9-11

with 3rd string team dalton went 4-6? so about the same win%..

not saying Daltons better but lets get real here..

Are you saying the first 5 games of Dak in 2020 there was a healthy team? Wow, man.

The defense was actually getting back some of its key players during the middle of the season, and then the injuries came back towards the end. If any time the team was healthiest, it was during the middle of the year, which occurred more during Dalton's part of the year.

Though I'm not saying that at any time of the year was the team really "healthy." Dak had his entire OL out for his first 5 games (ok he had them for some of games but it was a patchwork OL for the entire year), and still was able to sustain a record offense through 5 games. Yes Dalton had injuries to his OL too. Neither QB had Jarwin; and Zeke doesn't make difference anymore. They both had to overcome lots of crappy circumstances, dude.

 

[blueblood70]

Are you saying the first 5 games of Dak in 2020 there was a healthy team? Wow, man.

The defense was actually getting back some of its key players during the middle of the season, and then the injuries came back towards the end. If any time the team was healthiest, it was during the middle of the year, which occurred more during Dalton's part of the year.

Though I'm not saying that at any time of the year was the team really "healthy." Dak had his entire OL out for his first 5 games and still was able to sustain a record offense through 5 games. Yes Dalton had injuries to his OL too. Neither QB had Jarwin; and Zeke doesn't make difference anymore. They both had to overcome lots of crappy circumstances, dude.

right ONLY missing his two tackles , ad had the enrtiree OL outside of Cwill and their backups to backups play, zekes got hurt, defense lost many guys etc etc yards dont mean chit without wins..


no but he was loser none the less 1-3 isnt better then andy and andy ended up with tidlewave on injuries', covid, far more as the season went on..

what happened last year whats the excuse for t sorry azz finish to 2019? healthy team for sure choked in the philly game, NE ,Bills, MN at the end come on...just being VERY honest and realistic..dont bag on backup qb and act as if he had chance with this team when dak himself couldn't win with it either,. A dig!!!!!??????

 

[DoctorChicken]

Dak-fans trying so hard to find redemption in Andy’s performance, while Dak is below league average in QB rating with four minutes to go and a TD is needed. And this with all five of his starting linemen and a healthy Zeke.

but let me guess, Dak had his finger cut off and his shoulder was dislocated three feet from his AC joint when he threw for 44 times against a third string Eagle secondary to choke away the division, with all five starting linemen and a healthy Zeke who rushed only 13 times? Dak really carried us then, to the point he couldn’t even score throw for 2 TDs against a broken Eagles secondary that even Haskins did the game before.. I’ve heard every excuse, that even the Eagles defense was better than the Giants this year, though the Giants were the tenth ranked scoring defense and the Eagles were allowing teams like the Dolphins at that point in the year to hang 37 on them. Dak was given the ball on his own 45 yard line on the second to last drive and could only lead them to the Philly 31. We weren’t even threatening the whole game, unlike the Giants this game.

So much pressure there against the Eagles!!!

Dak ‘taking sacks’ with a top 5 OL, because of holding the ball too long is not the some thing as Dalton taking sacks with third string OL with the quickest release in football the last five weeks, because the OL can’t block worth crap or get any push. Only THREE QBs since week 11 have a quicker release than Dalton, and they are Big Ben, Ryan Fitzgerald and Tom Brady.

And in their last ten games, meaning when Dak left the squad, they’ve played with 15 five-man combinations at OL. You Dak-stans will try anything, completely ignoring reality.

lol

 

[Yobwocs]

right ONLY missing his two tackles , ad had the enrtiree OL outside of Cwill and their backups to backups play, zekes got hurt, defense lost many guys etc etc yards dont mean chit without wins..


no but he was loser none the less 1-3 isnt better then andy and andy ended up with tidlewave on injuries', covid, far more as the season went on..

what happened last year whats the excuse for t sorry azz finish to 2019? healthy team for sure choked in the philly game, NE ,Bills, MN at the end come on...just being VERY honest and realistic..dont bag on backup qb and act as if he had chance with this team when dak himself couldn't win with it either,. A dig!!!!!??????

They both had injuries and awful circumstances. Who wants to talk about who had worse circumstances? They both did, lol. Dak had Smith and Collins out and as soon as you take them out, the offensive line is already shot, so why are you comparing which offensive line was worse? They both were bad and depleted.

Let's just make it simple here.... no one is winning with this team. There were way too many injuries and the team is just a mess right now.

Yes I get that yards don't matter, but it just means that Dak and his offense were the only things good about this team in the first 5 games. I'm just evaluating individual aspects separately. You seem to discount Dak and his contribution to our offense by saying "we're not winning, so who cares." That's kind of ignorant, man.

 

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