Only four players remain from 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 Drafts

[Beast_from_East]

So the OP is posting some Top-Classified information, regarding the state of the Cowboys that I was unaware of?

Why you busting his balls?

Does the truth actully hurt that much? The OP posted factual information about the team, he did not go on a rant about this player sucks and that player sucks and we need to trade Romo, and so on. The facts are that we have 4 players left on this team for 4 previous drafts.

Now if this type of thread is annoying, dont open it or post in it.

 

[LatinMind]

Jason Hatcher
Anthony Spencer
Doug Free
Orlando Scandrick

This is supposed to be the meat and bones of this team.

the meat and bones of this team is all young with less than 4 yrs experience. Thats called youth. Because the core starters of this team are new.

Murray
Dez
Harris
Hanna
Smith
Costa
Parnell

Crawford
Lee
Carter
Claiborne
Church

YOUTH CORE OF THE DALLAS COWBOYS.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Have you looked at the Patriots drafts in that same time span? Not much different yet, they make the playoffs every year.....and let's don't act like our players from those drafts are somewhere retired or sitting on their couch. Some of those guys we drafted are starting for other teams. That's the life of the NFL. You can't keep everyone. If we could i'm sure we'd keep Mike Jenkins.

 

[LatinMind]

Have you looked at the Patriots drafts in that same time span? Not much different yet, they make the playoffs every year.....and let's don't act like our players from those drafts are somewhere retired or sitting on their couch. Some of those guys we drafted are starting for other teams. That's the life of the NFL. You can't keep everyone. If we could i'm sure we'd keep Mike Jenkins.

IMO the difference between the two is coaching. I really believe these posistion coaches have hurt Dallas. And they have greatly improved in that area this offseason.

 

[Idgit]

lol, so true, I'll never understand why people get so bent out of shape at others for expressing an opinion they don't like. Its so easy, you don't even have to ignore people, simply ignore the thread and find one you like.

There's plenty of threads here and everywhere that address just about every topic, I just read those and dont sweat the others.

To each is own I guess

It's not so easy to find a thread that's not derailed by the exact same negative sentiments.

And when posts are emotional and not aimed at constructive discussion, they derail the constructive discussion. They corrode threads to the point where every conversation devolves into finger pointing at the same tired subjects.

This is the reason other posters find it tedious. It has nothing to do with the expression of opinions, and, unfortunately, ignoring the corrosion once it gains momentum is difficult to do as it inevitably affects the replies of other posters in the threads who can't resist eventually responding to the unfair or thoughtless or pointed one-off posts.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Have you looked at the Patriots drafts in that same time span? Not much different yet, they make the playoffs every year.....and let's don't act like our players from those drafts are somewhere retired or sitting on their couch. Some of those guys we drafted are starting for other teams. That's the life of the NFL. You can't keep everyone. If we could i'm sure we'd keep Mike Jenkins.

That might be true, but the fact still remains that this team has done a poor job drafting overall. Now it has gotten better, but the single reason this team has won just 1 playoff game in the last 17 seasons is primarily due to poor drafting.

 

[LatinMind]

It's not so easy to find a thread that's not derailed by the exact same negative sentiments.

And when posts are emotional and not aimed at constructive discussion, they derail the constructive discussion. They corrode threads to the point where every conversation devolves into finger pointing at the same tired subjects.

This is the reason other posters find it tedious. It has nothing to do with the expression of opinions, and, unfortunately, ignoring the corrosion once it gains momentum is difficult to do as it inevitably affects the replies of other posters in the threads who can't resist eventually responding to the unfair or thoughtless or pointed one-off posts.

Well said. This is part of the reason i picked up fishing. Got tired of reading the same thing over and over again.

 

[Idgit]

IMO the difference between the two is coaching. I really believe these posistion coaches have hurt Dallas. And they have greatly improved in that area this offseason.

Well, we've left a trail of pretty good TEs across the league in the process. It's not all coaching.

Though, I suppose it's not all that surprising to have more attrition in a previous draft class when you're changing HCs and DCs along the way.

 

[LatinMind]

Well, we've left a trail of pretty good TEs across the league in the process. It's not all coaching.

Though, I suppose it's not all that surprising to have more attrition in a previous draft class when you're changing HCs and DCs along the way.

Its not all coaching but IMO its a big part. You couldnt make me believe that belichick's group couldnt be a contender with this very same team if you put a gun to my head.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That might be true, but the fact still remains that this team has done a poor job drafting overall. Now it has gotten better, but the single reason this team has won just 1 playoff game in the last 17 seasons is primarily due to poor drafting.

I disagree. If you go round for round and look at our drafts the majority of the rest of the league it won't look too much different. That 2009 was a travesty. Let me say that simply can't happen. In most of these drafts you will only get about 3 or if you're lucky atleast 4 players who can come in and contribute in some form or fashion. But 2009 can't happen so I will agree that in that year we drafted poorly.

 

[TwoDeep3]

It's not so easy to find a thread that's not derailed by the exact same negative sentiments.

And when posts are emotional and not aimed at constructive discussion, they derail the constructive discussion. They corrode threads to the point where every conversation devolves into finger pointing at the same tired subjects.

This is the reason other posters find it tedious. It has nothing to do with the expression of opinions, and, unfortunately, ignoring the corrosion once it gains momentum is difficult to do as it inevitably affects the replies of other posters in the threads who can't resist eventually responding to the unfair or thoughtless or pointed one-off posts.

Or a thread discussing the failings of say...the draft and it being derailed by the .500 Happy Hour set whining about pessimism.

Maybe....you should just move on. Or take ownership that this problem is from both sides.

 

[Idgit]

Or a thread discussing the failings of say...the draft and it being derailed by the .500 Happy Hour set whining about pessimism.

Maybe....you should just move on. Or take ownership that this problem is from both sides.

The positive comments in this thread were directly disputing the contention of the OP.

The types of comments I'm claiming derail threads are the ones that jump a thread off topic to reduce the argument to a common generic complaint about the organization. There's a big difference. What I'm saying is that threads should contain debate on both sides about the thread topic and that, where possible, as a community, we shouldn't allow them to get derailed. That's just my opinion, but I can't see any reasonable person disagree about that point.

The complaints about the cynicism and defeatism are off topic, I agree. I'd never dispute that. Why would I? I pull threads off topic all the time to rhapsodize about the quality of the discussion.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

No, it's annoying. All fans know about the Cowboys' troubles and failures the last couple of years, but we don't need to see a thread every second about it. It gets annoying for the people who actually want to discuss how this team can improve in free agency and the draft for the upcoming season.

Here is a helpful hint if a thread annoys you.......DO NOT OPEN THREAD!

 

[Wolfpack]

The 1999-2001 drafts were worse and thats saying something. I still dont know how a Dave Campo "led" team got to 5-11 during those years. Poor Dave should get a HOF nod for that feat alone.

There has been a lack of talent evaluation, heavy risk taking and general lack of an overall plan for building a team for quite some time.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

the meat and bones of this team is all young with less than 4 yrs experience. Thats called youth. Because the core starters of this team are new.

Murray
Dez
Harris
Hanna
Smith
Costa
Parnell

Crawford
Lee
Carter
Claiborne
Church

YOUTH CORE OF THE DALLAS COWBOYS.

I do agree with this, but I also agree with most of what the OP said (in fact, I posted almost that exact same info yesterday morning in one of the OP's posts).

The young core mentioned above can in fact help bring this team out of the stagnant state that they are in. Where I think the sub-par drafting from those years takes effect is in the fact that the young core above only got Dallas to 8-8 the last few years. If Dallas had hit on, say, 35% of those picks, then there would have been might have been more quality starters/depth along the roster the last few seasons, perhaps even along those spots where Dallas was woefully deficient the last few seasons (O-line and Safety).

If Dallas can duplicate the success they seem to have had in the 2010 and 2011 drafts, then things could certainly hit the upswing at Valley Ranch. But, honestly, that 2012 class also needs to prove itself on the field this season for people to get behind that idea (which no player was so lights out that you could say they are a slam dunk, even Mo).

As an aside, I wouldn't put Costa and Parnell in that young core. They need to put a full quality season on the field before they can be considered a positive for this team. Just my opinion of course.

 

[mmillman]

free agents are the only thing keeping this team afloat.
Romo
Austin
Carr

 

[burmafrd]

IT'S ANNOYING. How many times can I repeat this? You guys act like some of us are blind and don't see the troubles and failures about this team when in fact we do. The difference is we don't want to discuss it every second and instead discuss how this team can improve and win a damn Super Bowl.

and we should care why you consider it annoying?

 

[burmafrd]

horrendous drafts are sadly something this team does well far too often.

 

[yimyammer]

It's not so easy to find a thread that's not derailed by the exact same negative sentiments.

And when posts are emotional and not aimed at constructive discussion, they derail the constructive discussion. They corrode threads to the point where every conversation devolves into finger pointing at the same tired subjects.

This is the reason other posters find it tedious. It has nothing to do with the expression of opinions, and, unfortunately, ignoring the corrosion once it gains momentum is difficult to do as it inevitably affects the replies of other posters in the threads who can't resist eventually responding to the unfair or thoughtless or pointed one-off posts.

These threads would die so much faster if people would just let others vent/make what ever point/opinion/gripe they want to get off their chest and find some other subject they like If I counted right, 35 of the posts in this thread (plus this one) are related to going back and forth about the perceived redundancy/negativity of the ops thread topic and not the merits of his point.

Its fascinating to observe the never ending back and forth that never changes anything or anyone's opinion

It reminds me of watching democrats and republicans argue, they never agree on anything but never stop debating or criticizing each other

 

[landryscorner]

Thank you for posting this it shows WHAT a failure this organization is at evaluating talent and this list of 4 is nothing to loook at either.