Only four players remain from 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 Drafts

[Risen Star]

Sorry, Brock may be a good prospect but there isn't much out there that would make a transition from Manning maybe look relatively seamless.

True. But we're talking about an end of the road Manning not in his prime.

You're never gonna replace Peyton Manning, but they do have a nice prospect waiting in the wings. At least there's a plan in place.

 

[CIWhitefish]

True. But we're talking about an end of the road Manning not in his prime.

You're never gonna replace Peyton Manning, but they do have a nice prospect waiting in the wings. At least there's a plan in place.

I'll agree with the plan part. End of the road Manning is still pretty good. Arm may be weaker but IQ is top notch.

 

[Risen Star]

I'll agree with the plan part. End of the road Manning is still pretty good. Arm may be weaker but IQ is top notch.

Right now he's still really, really good. I think he plays 3 more years. Where will his level of play be then?

 

[CIWhitefish]

Right now he's still really, really good. I think he plays 3 more years. Where will his level of play be then?

Still better then Tebows!

 

[Idgit]

Idgit, problem is the list of players you mentioned have a lot of question marks -- none of single one of them has stepped up to be a Pro-bowl player yet with the exception of Dez who didn't make the Probowl but played at that level:

Sean Lee: Good but has spent time on IR in the past two seasons
Carter: Good but has spent time on IR in the past two season
Murray: Good but has spent time on IR in the past two seasons
Claiborne: OK in his rookie year -- hopefully will reach his potential
Tyron Smith: Ranked in the bottom half of LTs last season -- hopefully will reach his potential
Barry Church: Kinda of an unknown. Looked good in 2 games last year then went on IR
Phil Costa: Has looked good at times, however, continues to have major injury problems

Yes -- these are good young talents. The problem is talent does not always equal production and just about the entire list you named off has questions marks of one sort or another.

While it's true that they're not necessarily probowlers yet, we can probably agree they were good draft picks at this stage in their career. I think it's hard to argue against Dez and Lee, and Carter looks to be on that trajectory, too. They don't all need to be stars, just the sorts of starters championship teams need to build contenders.

Though, some of them do need to develop into stars, eventually.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The mighty and brilliant New England Patriots have 4 players from those drafts as well including the kicker. That is life in the NFL.

And for the 2009 draft, they have 1 player Sebastian Vollmer and had 8 picks in the top 4 rounds. 2009 was freakishly horrible and pretty much only the Ravens did very well.

You really rained on the OP's parade, didn't you, with that data.

I don't think the OP will be all too happy

 

[xwalker]

Jason Hatcher
Anthony Spencer
Doug Free
Orlando Scandrick

This is supposed to be the meat and bones of this team.

Players are unrestricted after 4 years; therefore, any drafts that were more than 4 years ago are irrelevant.

If Mike Jenkins had been great, he would now cost as much as Carr. Dallas now has Carr instead of Jenkins. It makes no difference which team drafted them.

The drafts that are relevant to the 2013 season are 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. All players drafted in 2009 and earlier are past their initial contracts.

The Cowboys missed drafting OG Andy Levitre; however, they could have signed him as a Free Agent if they didn't Franchise Spencer or if they had signed Romo to a new contract. If the had signed Levitre as a Free Agent, the cost would have been the same regardless of whether he had been drafted by Dallas or Buffalo.

 

[Eskimo]

Players are unrestricted after 4 years; therefore, any drafts that were more than 4 years ago are irrelevant.

If Mike Jenkins had been great, he would now cost as much as Carr. Dallas now has Carr instead of Jenkins. It makes no difference which team drafted them.

The one thing that I'll say is that you have drafted them you may have also had the attempt to extend them at rates well below the going FA rate at that time. This is especially true if you do it early, like in their second year for a bit of extra bonus money for those guys who look like they are part of your core. If you do it properly it can add stability to the roster and give you salary cap flexibility to keep a group of players together longer.

Our problem is we wait until the last year of deals before we think about extensions. However, the agents of the players who have been very successful often just prefer to wait for FA for a chance a big signing bonus from someone overpaying. All it takes is one GM to overvalue a player for him to get a big deal.

We need to get much more aggressive if we want to follow this path. Right now we should be trying to extend Dez and Tyron Smith, IMO. Our only problem is we don't have any cap space left to do it right now. I wouldn't do it with Lee because I am not sure about his long-term health and we would need to do a deal that was properly structured to mitigate the injury risk with him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

FOUR players left from all those drafts? I challenge anyone to find a team with a worse draft history than that.....maybe Jacksonville? That's an ABOMINATION........I just posted in the "trade down" thread how JJ and his minions can't be trusted to pull it off: this thread proves that I'm 100% on unfortunately

I challenge you to prove your point rather than demand other people make it for you. You are the one saying it is an abomination as opposed to other teams and then pull a team out of your backside. That proves nothing other than you believing what you want to believe.

 

[the_h0wey]

Jason Hatcher
Anthony Spencer
Doug Free
Orlando Scandrick

This is supposed to be the meat and bones of this team.

And this is why we have remained an average team and have no money to spend in Free Agency.

 

[Bluestang]

Maclin, McCoy, Jackson, Celek are the only four players that were drafted by the Eagles that are still with the team.

 

[Risen Star]

Maclin, McCoy, Jackson, Celek are the only four players that were drafted by the Eagles that are still with the team.

And Jason Avant.

 

[Bluestang]

And Jason Avant.

I forgot about him...lol.

I guess that makes it a whopping total of 5 players.

Ironic that all five of those guys are skill position players?

 

[Dodger12]

Parcells?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4727905&postcount=151

I guess you can add Spencer's Pro Bowl to that list, but it is pretty hard to dispute those numbers.

If Parcells was doing damage, what in the heck have the coaches since been doing?

I missed your original post, so thanks for linking it. That is some good info to see.

Edit: Well, good in the respect that it was presented, not good in the actual results themselves

It very good info and probably the most graphic example of just how pathetic a GM we have. What I find funny is no one seems to comment on Junk's post, they just go on with the anti-BP garbage in thread after thread.

 

[Bluestang]

It very good info and probably the most graphic example of just how pathetic a GM we have. What I find funny is no one seems to comment on Junk's post, they just go on with the anti-BP garbage in thread after thread.

Development doesn't typically fall under the GM role because once they walk through the doors it's all on the coaches to get the best play out of the talent aquired.

Now if you wanted to compare head coaches and coaching staffs to the ones after Parcells than it's clear that we haven't had near the quality type of staff as he had when he was here.

 

[jnday]

The one thing that I'll say is that you have drafted them you may have also had the attempt to extend them at rates well below the going FA rate at that time. This is especially true if you do it early, like in their second year for a bit of extra bonus money for those guys who look like they are part of your core. If you do it properly it can add stability to the roster and give you salary cap flexibility to keep a group of players together longer.

Our problem is we wait until the last year of deals before we think about extensions. However, the agents of the players who have been very successful often just prefer to wait for FA for a chance a big signing bonus from someone overpaying. All it takes is one GM to overvalue a player for him to get a big deal.

We need to get much more aggressive if we want to follow this path. Right now we should be trying to extend Dez and Tyron Smith, IMO. Our only problem is we don't have any cap space left to do it right now. I wouldn't do it with Lee because I am not sure about his long-term health and we would need to do a deal that was properly structured to mitigate the injury risk with him.

You make several good points. A team should approach business the way you outlined. I just don't buy into the notion that after the first contract you have to pay full market value. Overpaying players can be avoided if they are signed before hitting free agency.

 

[Bluestang]

You make several good points. A team should approach business the way you outlined. I just don't buy into the notion that after the first contract you have to pay full market value. Overpaying players can be avoided if they are signed before hitting free agency.

It's a two way street though. More often than not the club offers a deal that is below full market value but guess who negotiates for the player? The agent who is looking to get a piece of the pie too.

Let's not act like the players are willing to sign the first deal that comes their way. This is a business and they are looking for top money right off the bat and their agent is constantly in their ear telling them to wait it out for more money because they hold the leverage.

 

[jnday]

Players are unrestricted after 4 years; therefore, any drafts that were more than 4 years ago are irrelevant.

If Mike Jenkins had been great, he would now cost as much as Carr. Dallas now has Carr instead of Jenkins. It makes no difference which team drafted them.

The drafts that are relevant to the 2013 season are 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. All players drafted in 2009 and earlier are past their initial contracts.

The Cowboys missed drafting OG Andy Levitre; however, they could have signed him as a Free Agent if they didn't Franchise Spencer or if they had signed Romo to a new contract. If the had signed Levitre as a Free Agent, the cost would have been the same regardless of whether he had been drafted by Dallas or Buffalo.

I disagree that drafts over four years ago are irrelevant. A good GM extends contracts on wuality young players that he wants to be a long term players before they hit free agency. It takes away from the game with all the player movement and the salary cap needs to be revamped to keep it to a minimum. Keeping drafted players long term is a reflection on the GM. It reflects his business sense and it also reflects on his drafing. Some players are not worth the second contract. Felix comes to mind as an example.

 

[jnday]

It's a two way street though. More often than not the club offers a deal that is below full market value but guess who negotiates for the player? The agent who is looking to get a piece of the pie too.

Let's not act like the players are willing to sign the first deal that comes their way. This is a business and they are looking for top money right off the bat and their agent is constantly in their ear telling them to wait it out for more money because they hold the leverage.

Oh, I understand that side of it as well. I just don't think it is as simple as a draft pick staying four years and the team is forced to pay full free agent value to keep them. I just don't see it as automatic to give out a huge contract. I think a good GM can work with agents and work out a deal. Using Dez as an example, they should push for the extension now and start working on it. It sure doesn't hurt to try. With the Cowboys salary cap problems, It will be just about impossible to go this route though.

 

[Idgit]

Oh, I understand that side of it as well. I just don't think it is as simple as a draft pick staying four years and the team is forced to pay full free agent value to keep them. I just don't see it as automatic to give out a huge contract. I think a good GM can work with agents and work out a deal. Using Dez as an example, they should push for the extension now and start working on it. It sure doesn't hurt to try. With the Cowboys salary cap problems, It will be just about impossible to go this route though.

I wouldn't touch Dez until after the offseason, just in case. I'd extend Lee, too, starting now, if we're able to.

There's going to come a point where we've got Spencer and Romo worked out, and Free off the books, and we're going to have money to work on extensions. These current constraints make for a spare Christmas, but they're probably not going to last forever (maybe we don't extend AS and we let Romo roll into FA. I can't see that, though. A good QB will get an offer even under a franchise tag).