Only four players remain from 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 Drafts

[junk]

Development doesn't typically fall under the GM role because once they walk through the doors it's all on the coaches to get the best play out of the talent aquired.

Now if you wanted to compare head coaches and coaching staffs to the ones after Parcells than it's clear that we haven't had near the quality type of staff as he had when he was here.

Parcells completely revamped the way the front office worked as well. He cleaned out a bunch of scouts (including Broaddus, I believe). He deserves credit for bringing in that talent, revamping the way they scout players, putting together a good staff AND developing that talent.

That period is what I consider when I think of a team on the uptick.

There is a reason he is a HoF coach. I know it is trendy to dismiss him, I know he was a former Giant, I know he didn't ultimately get them over the hump, blah, blah....

Overall, that period was a positive in many ways.

 

[Bluestang]

Parcells completely revamped the way the front office worked as well. He cleaned out a bunch of scouts (including Broaddus, I believe). He deserves credit for bringing in that talent, revamping the way they scout players, putting together a good staff AND developing that talent.

That period is what I consider when I think of a team on the uptick.

There is a reason he is a HoF coach. I know it is trendy to dismiss him, I know he was a former Giant, I know he didn't ultimately get them over the hump, blah, blah....

Overall, that period was a positive in many ways.

I whole heartedly agree with what you said here.

I'm just pointing out that we haven't had the type of quality coaching staff he put together either.

 

[CyberB0b]

I whole heartedly agree with what you said here.

I'm just pointing out that we haven't had the type of quality coaching staff he put together either.

Didn't Jerry claim one of the Wade Phillips years that it was the best staff he had seen since the early 90's or some BS like that?

 

[junk]

I whole heartedly agree with what you said here.

I'm just pointing out that we haven't had the type of quality coaching staff he put together either.

Agreed. And that is yet another drawback of having a green head coach. He doesn't have those contacts around the league to lean on to pull together a good staff.

 

[Risen Star]

Didn't Jerry claim one of the Wade Phillips years that it was the best staff he had seen since the early 90's or some BS like that?

He did. It's Jerry.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't buy into the coaching staff issue. Our coaches were fine last year. They are fine this year. We lack talent and the head coach's ability to command his own locker room. That falls entirely on the owner.

 

[Bluestang]

Didn't Jerry claim one of the Wade Phillips years that it was the best staff he had seen since the early 90's or some BS like that?

The same Wade Phillips that also declared a week one playoff victory on a bye week...

 

[visionary]

The same Wade Phillips that also declared a week one playoff victory on a bye week...

not sure if my reading of this statement should be followed by

wade phillips confused look (at what is wrong with thinking that a bye is a playoff win, of course it is)

or the

wade phillips fist pump (at, yeah, playoff win baby!!)

 

[xwalker]

Players are unrestricted after 4 years; therefore, any drafts that were more than 4 years ago are irrelevant.

If Mike Jenkins had been great, he would now cost as much as Carr. Dallas now has Carr instead of Jenkins. It makes no difference which team drafted them.

The drafts that are relevant to the 2013 season are 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. All players drafted in 2009 and earlier are past their initial contracts.

The Cowboys missed drafting OG Andy Levitre; however, they could have signed him as a Free Agent if they didn't Franchise Spencer or if they had signed Romo to a new contract. If the had signed Levitre as a Free Agent, the cost would have been the same regardless of whether he had been drafted by Dallas or Buffalo.

The one thing that I'll say is that you have drafted them you may have also had the attempt to extend them at rates well below the going FA rate at that time. This is especially true if you do it early, like in their second year for a bit of extra bonus money for those guys who look like they are part of your core. If you do it properly it can add stability to the roster and give you salary cap flexibility to keep a group of players together longer.

Our problem is we wait until the last year of deals before we think about extensions. However, the agents of the players who have been very successful often just prefer to wait for FA for a chance a big signing bonus from someone overpaying. All it takes is one GM to overvalue a player for him to get a big deal.

We need to get much more aggressive if we want to follow this path. Right now we should be trying to extend Dez and Tyron Smith, IMO. Our only problem is we don't have any cap space left to do it right now. I wouldn't do it with Lee because I am not sure about his long-term health and we would need to do a deal that was properly structured to mitigate the injury risk with him.

I disagree that drafts over four years ago are irrelevant. A good GM extends contracts on quality young players that he wants to be a long term players before they hit free agency. It takes away from the game with all the player movement and the salary cap needs to be revamped to keep it to a minimum. Keeping drafted players long term is a reflection on the GM. It reflects his business sense and it also reflects on his drafting. Some players are not worth the second contract. Felix comes to mind as an example.

The Ravens have had 4 years to sign LB Dannell Ellerbe and OLB Paul Kruger to below market deals but it didn't happen.

The Ravens just won the Super Bowl and are said to have one of the best GMs in the NFL.

Players and agents are not going to intentionally sign below market contracts.

 

[visionary]

The Ravens have had 4 years to sign LB Dannell Ellerbe and OLB Paul Kruger to below market deals but it didn't happen.

The Ravens just won the Super Bowl and are said to have one of the best GMs in the NFL.

Players and agents are not going to intentionally sign below market contracts.

i will submit to you that:

1. in 2-3 years we will look back at those deals and say that both teams over-payed for those players and neither panned out as well as those teams hoped

2. ravens have a GM who believes he can find more players where thsoe came from and that neither is a true difference-maker like reed or ray lewis i.e. they are replaceable players. this is what good GMs do who know how to evaluate talent and have faith in their process

woe is me now for ravens fans but in a couple of years (or less) they wil be singing his praises again

 

[jjktkk]

i will submit to you that:

1. in 2-3 years we will look back at those deals and say that both teams over-payed for those players and neither panned out as well as those teams hoped

2. ravens have a GM who believes he can find more players where thsoe came from and that neither is a true difference-maker like reed or ray lewis i.e. they are replaceable players. this is what good GMs do who know how to evaluate talent and have faith in their process

woe is me now for ravens fans but in a couple of years (or less) they wil be singing his praises again

Very nice spin job.

 

[visionary]

Very nice spin job.

yeah, those 2 SBs he won as GM (not "tie-breaker") are spin

only someone completely lacking in football knowledge would argue that Ozzie is not one of the best 2-3 GMs in the NFL

keep defining yourself

 

[xwalker]

i will submit to you that:

1. in 2-3 years we will look back at those deals and say that both teams over-payed for those players and neither panned out as well as those teams hoped

I don't disagree with that statement; however, it is basically off-topic.

The question is: "does the fact that a player was a draft pick or udfa of a team assure that team the ability to sign that player to a below market contract that extends beyond his initial contract?"

My initial contention was that a draft pick is primarily valuable to a team during his initial contract. After the initial contract, he will cost as much as a Free Agent from another team.

 

[visionary]

I don't disagree with that statement; however, it is basically off-topic.

The question is: "does the fact that a player was a draft pick or udfa of a team assure that team the ability to sign that player to a below market contract that extends beyond his initial contract?"

My initial contention was that a draft pick is primarily valuable to a team during his initial contract. After the initial contract, he will cost as much as a Free Agent from another team.

my bad

i have seen you state that before and it makes sense

 

[Nation]

I don't disagree with that statement; however, it is basically off-topic.

The question is: "does the fact that a player was a draft pick or udfa of a team assure that team the ability to sign that player to a below market contract that extends beyond his initial contract?"

My initial contention was that a draft pick is primarily valuable to a team during his initial contract. After the initial contract, he will cost as much as a Free Agent from another team.

I would disagree based on the fact that you can buyout the last year or two of a rookie deal to sign your own to a contract they'd otherwise never sign. For example, the Patriots signed Gronk and Hernandez who both had two years remaining on their deals and got them locked up for Jared Cook money. We had a similar success with Ratliff's first contract extension.

 

[jjktkk]

yeah, those 2 SBs he won as GM (not "tie-breaker") are spin

only someone completely lacking in football knowledge would argue that Ozzie is not one of the best 2-3 GMs in the NFL

keep defining yourself

Whos arguing? Ozzie is one of the best. But hes going to need to draft well to replace all of the players he lost on that roster. I don't think he was very happy losing two, good, young, players in Kruger and Ellerbe though.

 

[visionary]

Whos arguing? Ozzie is one of the best. But hes going to need to draft well to replace all of the players he lost on that roster. I don't think he was very happy losing two, good, young, players in Kruger and Ellerbe though.

of course he would have liked to keep them but at a cheaper price, he did not think they were worth what other teams paid for them

the point is that he has a long history of drafting well

drafting players that have been instrumental in winning playoff games consistently and winning 2 SBs

so, it is reasonable to assume he is good at evaluating talent

so, when he lets players go or drafts players, there is a high likelihood he is correct

can he be wrong? of course in individual cases he can be wrong, but history suggests that he will be right more often then not, so when i stated that the players he let walk are not worth the price and that he can find players in the draft or FA to replace them at a cheaper price, i think i am likely to be correct

that is the value of a real GM, he has a vision and builds a team, which is what we have been lacking

 

[xwalker]

I would disagree based on the fact that you can buyout the last year or two of a rookie deal to sign your own to a contract they'd otherwise never sign. For example, the Patriots signed Gronk and Hernandez who both had two years remaining on their deals and got them locked up for Jared Cook money. We had a similar success with Ratliff's first contract extension.

Rob Gronkowski signed a $55.23 million dollar contract.

 

[Nation]

Rob Gronkowski signed a $55.23 million dollar contract.

He's signed through age 30 at Under 7M on an AAV and only 13.17 guaranteed.

 

[jjktkk]

of course he would have liked to keep them but at a cheaper price, he did not think they were worth what other teams paid for them

the point is that he has a long history of drafting well

drafting players that have been instrumental in winning playoff games consistently and winning 2 SBs

so, it is reasonable to assume he is good at evaluating talent

so, when he lets players go or drafts players, there is a high likelihood he is correct

can he be wrong? of course in individual cases he can be wrong, but history suggests that he will be right more often then not, so when i stated that the players he let walk are not worth the price and that he can find players in the draft or FA to replace them at a cheaper price, i think i am likely to be correct

that is the value of a real GM, he has a vision and builds a team, which is what we have been lacking

This is true. I do like the direction of this team since Garrett has been HC though. I think the drafting has been better since 2010. Still alot of ?, but there does seem to be a direction.