Opinion: MM made decision to move from Moore

[Coogiguy03]

Would be nice. It won’t take long to see if MM abandons the run.

I can see this happening and being a topic of discussion

 

[Coogiguy03]

I'm going to laugh when this blows up in everyone's face....

Clearly...#4 is the problem.

But someone had to be the scapegoat for #4...

Let the finger pointing and body count continue...who's next?

I agree!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

If you're team "just win baby" then you should know that Dak needs to go.

Listen I agree with you, but please please stay even killed when he has his usual top QB in the NFL for the last 6 weeks!! You and I know it'll be coming soon when he chokes

 

[khiladi]

The reality is Dak is a TO machine.

He was on pace in 2020 before the injuries to be a league leader in TOs, with 7 TOs in 5 games.

Again, this idea Dak protects the ball is a myth. The guy runs the system given to him and the more responsibility given to him, the more he demonstrates his limitations. His decision-making process goes to hell.

It was Linehan’s scheming that helped him protect the ball as well.

In 2017, when Dak started off upto when Linehan took the passing reigns from him to a large degree after the Denver game, he threw I think 2 pick 6s at that point. He had 4 INTs and 1 fumble in his first five games, then Linehan went really run heavy with Zeke. Then Zeke was suspended and against Atlanta, Dak added 2 more fumbles to his stat count and then threw 3 INTs against the Eagles. From there I stopped tracking, but he played like crap.

Dak is now throwing pick 6s at an alarming rate the “more aggressive” they tell him to be.

So 2016 was basically where the “legend” was born and afterwards the scherade continued for who knows how. But if you break down the actual play, Dak’s a paper tiger.

 

[khiladi]

I'm going to laugh when this blows up in everyone's face....

Clearly...#4 is the problem.

But someone had to be the scapegoat for #4...

Let the finger pointing and body count continue...who's next?

CeeDee Lamb just came out recently and said other QBs are surrounded by talent. I’m not sure our number 1 WR is that smart, as he basically implicated the whole offense outside himself and Dak. I’m sure that rubbed off well on the players, unless they are just a mentally unaware of the QB and WR,

Of course Micah alluded to QB play after the game, but he’s also a Philly fan deep down anyways and he can pretty much demand what he wants his next contract, so he’s more likely to call out what sucks more accurately.

 

[USArmyVet]

Because they have no other choice but to do so.
I am not defending Dak, I am just being "realistic" as the "dislikers" always claim.

The other choice is to pay the big $$$ this year, the if no success (again) let him go next year. But WE ALL know that is not going to happen. Hence, build the team.

Yeah, I think many wish they would let Dak ride this year in terms of his cap hit in a prove it or we are done season but this organization lacks the brains and the balls to do so.

 

[links18]

If you're team "just win baby" then you should know that Dak needs to go.

I mean there are actually people on here who are "happy with ride," and just beating Brady in the playoffs. They are the perfect Jones Boyz suckas.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Listening to SJ he mentioned MM brought up moving on from Moore. At least it sounded that way.

MM is a SB winning coach. He knows he dont have a rogers. I am seeing them going or attempting to go Cowboys 2016. Run first with a big O-Line and good RBs. That maybe different for MM but he brought in power running O-Line coach and again knows he don’t have rogers. Put more WR talent around Dak and go with the short high % passes and let them get YAC. He will have a good Defense maybe even great and a very good ST.

MM knows his job is on the line because Quinn will likely get his job unless he goes to SB. If I am MM and am saddled with Dak then this is what I do. Dak can do this but you can not ask him to throw tight window passes all day or throw 40 times a game to Noah Browns. Keep it simple and lean on a run game. They do have a Dak that’s improved from 2016. He can make the throws. Just dont abandon the run if you get down by 2 points.

Moore was shoved down MM's throat, very much like Garrett was shoved onto Wade. I never seen a new head coach be forced to take on previous regime coaches. that's jerry for you. and did we expect this to work out any other way? Moore became OC, with only one year of coaching experience ANYWHERE. show me one NFL coach, one OC or DC having gone that route in their career. and we expected him to take the league by a storm!!! he was green. he was going to make mistakes. he went from one coach to another and had the wrong mentors to begin with. Moore's scheme depends on having high level of talent and perfect execution, very much a Garrett philosophy.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yeah, I think many wish they would let Dak ride this year in terms of his cap hit in a prove it or we are done season but this organization lacks the brains and the balls to do so.

Can't disagree. I rather they take the hit and see. He said a few years back he was going to bet on himself. Well, the FO should make him bet on himself again if he wants that contract extension.
I hope he wants so much that they do not extend him. Let him prove it.
Unfortunately we know how the FO will cave.

But I am interested to see how Dak, and others respond with a somewhat different offense and MM calling the plays. Since Dak will be here for this season, I will support him, since I root for the team and not against any player.

 

[Coogiguy03]

CeeDee Lamb just came out recently and said other QBs are surrounded by talent. I’m not sure our number 1 WR is that smart, as he basically implicated the whole offense outside himself and Dak. I’m sure that rubbed off well on the players, unless they are just a mentally unaware of the QB and WR,

Of course Micah alluded to QB play after the game, but he’s also a Philly fan deep down anyways and he can pretty much demand what he wants his next contract, so he’s more likely to call out what sucks more accurately.

He can but Micah disappears at times he needs to watch it

 

[Coogiguy03]

Can't disagree. I rather they take the hit and see. He said a few years back he was going to bet on himself. Well, the FO should make him bet on himself again if he wants that contract extension.
I hope he wants so much that they do not extend him. Let him prove it.
Unfortunately we know how the FO will cave.

But I am interested to see how Dak, and others respond with a somewhat different offense and MM calling the plays. Since Dak will be here for this season, I will support him, since I root for the team and not against any player.

See but he'll respond in usual form he'll have a league leading season he will throw for 7,231 yards, 76 touchdowns, and 19 rushing touchdowns. They'll think he's great, he will get more money then will go back to throwing the ball to the other team

 

[jazzcat22]

See but he'll respond in usual form he'll have a league leading season he will throw for 7,231 yards, 76 touchdowns, and 19 rushing touchdowns. They'll think he's great, he will get more money then will go back to throwing the ball to the other team

Does he get to the NFCCG or SB with those stats?

 

[Streifenkarl]

Dak at some point will need to be relied upon to do something and will fail like he always does.

Do not fall for the fools gold if he looks decent a few games. The failure will follow like always.

I won't. The 2021 season was the back breaker for me in this regard.

I'm just saying I don't want this team to fail so I don't really like these "told ya so" comments from either side. But no hard feelings, just speaking my mind.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Does he get to the NFCCG or SB with those stats?

You know he doesn't, Jerry is fine with progress, we made it to the first round, hey that's good enough for Jerry

After the game you'll hear "THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THAT DAKS our QB for the future, and I want to emphasize that!" Lol

 

[CTcowboy203]

No, he’s rooting for what’s better for the team, because the starting Qb does suck and he’s proven it for 7 years running and it’s just being realistic to want him to suck to the point they don’t waste anymore time on the guy who is still sucking, but apparently not enough for Jerry and Stephen to continue on with the delusion..

And this is where all your credibility is lost. Dak doesn’t suck. He’s not elite. He’s not mvp caliber and he’s not consistent enough but he doesn’t suck. He’s an average quarterback. Having the stance you’d like to move on is fine.

However it’s one thing to want the team to move in another direction, it’s one thing to think the player is no good, it’s one thing to wish we’d move on but to openly root against the player once the organization has made the decision that he’s the starter ? That’s just weird.

There’s players I think stink but I root for them to play well- why? Because that means the teams more likely to have success. Being a fan of a team and rooting for the quarterback to suck so you can be right about a point is ridiculous. No issue thinking the quarterback isn’t good enough- but rooting against him which is essentially rooting against the team?

Absolutely charmin soft. Plastic fan soft and being on a site for fans and having this mentality openly? Some real deep rooted stuff going on there

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

I'm sure MM was a force behind the departure of KM.

KM was a good offensive coordinator. I'll be shocked if his ouster improves the offense in any significant way. He was not the problem.

 

[sunalsorises]

I suspect Moore wanted out and quietly negotiated his way to LA. If McCarthy wanted him gone Moore would have been fired, not let out of his contract.

 

[Proof]

If you're team "just win baby" then you should know that Dak needs to go.

Im in that camp. But we're here so I am cheering as is. Nothing glorious about losing

 

[Verdict]

Listening to SJ he mentioned MM brought up moving on from Moore. At least it sounded that way.

MM is a SB winning coach. He knows he dont have a rogers. I am seeing them going or attempting to go Cowboys 2016. Run first with a big O-Line and good RBs. That maybe different for MM but he brought in power running O-Line coach and again knows he don’t have rogers. Put more WR talent around Dak and go with the short high % passes and let them get YAC. He will have a good Defense maybe even great and a very good ST.

MM knows his job is on the line because Quinn will likely get his job unless he goes to SB. If I am MM and am saddled with Dak then this is what I do. Dak can do this but you can not ask him to throw tight window passes all day or throw 40 times a game to Noah Browns. Keep it simple and lean on a run game. They do have a Dak that’s improved from 2016. He can make the throws. Just dont abandon the run if you get down by 2 points.

I think MM was fully behind this move. The fact that the Cowboys ownership made the move indicates that MM has quite a bit of credibility with the ownership. The organization would have done it their way, in spite of that advise many years ago (and maybe not so many years ago).

 

[glimmerman]

They have tried every which way under the sun to do that since 2016.....so 2023 will be the sudden year they find the right mixture?

We had the right mixture last year but you abandon the run too easy and get away from the formula. NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID. Who is to say Dak wasn’t changing run plays to pass. If that’s the case we maybe screwed. We do need another weapon or 2 for him and lean on the run. Let’s see what happens in the playoffs when team talent evens up and coaching comes more into play. If Dak is having good success throwing shorter passes early and running the ball and then opening it up with some deeper play action later in the game then maybe Dak won’t be changing plays if he is doing that.