Oregon To #3

[Doomsday101]

Come on Dooms. Sure it may look good at the time to beat VaTech because they were ranked, but when you pull back at the end of the regular season and re-evaluate the ranking of that time has less meaning. Unless of course VaTech kicks butt the rest of this year, but they could also go out and lose 2 more games this year.

If Texas goes on to lose 2 or 3 more games this year, the UCLA win looks less impressive. There is a reason that some people push for ending pre-season polls. That is partly why the BCS waits until mid-season to release their first rankings. They want everything to settle down a bit. I know personally I don't care where a team was ranked at the time of the match up. I care about where those opponents are ranked in December.

Also, if Oregon St. goes on to beat Oregon late this year, that is going to work in favor of both Boise and TCU.

Do teams move up the polls when they beat a ranked team? Yes they do and BCS raking are partly made up from the AP and Coaches Polls. So yes it matters.

 

[Dallas]

Do teams move up the polls when they beat a ranked team? Yes they do and BCS raking are partly made up from the AP and Coaches Polls. So yes it matters.

Ahem..you do know that the AP poll is NOT included in the BCS formula, right?


Of COURSE you do.

 

[joseephuss]

Do teams move up the polls when they beat a ranked team? Yes they do and BCS raking are partly made up from the AP and Coaches Polls. So yes it matters.

Didn't say it does not matter. I am saying that when the final regular season rankings come out it is going to matter more where VaTech is ranked at that time than where they were ranked when Boise beat them.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ahem..you do know that the AP poll is NOT included in the BCS rankings, right?


Of COURSE you do.

It is made up of different polls and computer models and if you looked at the coach’s poll and AP it is pretty much the same so any team moving up in the polls will help them in the BCS polling

 

[Cythim]

I think what is more interesting the the ground Oregon made on Ohio State. These are the numbers from last week and this week, the number represents their average position from the 60 voters:

Week 5
1 Alabama - 1.07
2 Ohio St - 2.15
3 Boise St - 3.4
4 Oregon - 4.73

Week 6
1 Alabama - 1.05
2 Ohio St - 2.65
3 Oregon - 3.02
4 Boise St - 3.65

So what do these numbers represent? Ohio State went from a solid #2 to getting less than half of the #2 votes. The voters that moved Oregon up either already had them ranked 3rd and swapped them around with Ohio St or had them ranked worse than 4th and moved them up to that position.

Boise State didn't lose much position at all (a difference of 15 points, which represents 25% of voters moving them down one spot). This is more indicative of voters realizing they had Oregon ranked too low than voters thinking Oregon deserves to be higher than Boise State.

 

[rkell87]

so to recap

Texas fans think BSU should get a shot

OU fans are still butt hurt that BSU beat them and don't want to see them again.

i also heard a lot of excuses of why OU lost that game only to go on to say "I'm not making excuses". really? then why did you type all of them out.

also if it doesn't matter where the team you play is ranked when you play them, just what they are ranked at the end, the only team on Oregon's schedule that is likely to be ranked at the end of the season(especially if Oregon wins) is Arizona, which is the only team currently ranked team left on their schedule.

ill also say along those lines that if Texas loses to Nebraska they have next to zero chance of cracking top 25, so that leaves the sooners with Florida state as the only chance of having a top 25 team defeat by seasons end, but i doubt they beat Clemson, and if they do they wont beat Florida which most likely still drops them out of the top 25.

also all the sooner fans saying Boise should be jumped(which BTW i agree with, Oregon beat #9) i don't want to see you complaining if Nebraska beats Texas and Nebraska jumps Oklahoma(only 11 votes separate you and come on it is still Texas).

the people shouting the loudest about BSU being a little guy that doesn't deserve a shot(Dallas, Switz flask i'm looking at you) sure seem to know the least about BSUs situation, citing not getting the talent that big schools get(didn't stop them from beating OU did it?) they need to schedule better teams(they issued an open challenge to play anybody at their field and nobody stepped up, and ill let you find the article, its out there) they need to get rid of their blue field(really? you really think this is a legit concern for anybody?) they literally blend in with their field(been brought up many times before and the NCAA has investigated several times and has concluded each time that those claims are false, you can look that up too) they need to get in a better conference(you realize that you cant just go to whatever conference you want right? money, media market, academic standards, location...these are just some of the factors required to get into top conferences not to mention that football programs are not the only programs taken into consideration for a conference switch, you need to be competitive across the board in other athletic programs to get into a top conference(see Baylor in track and basketball))

BSU is switching conferences though from WAC to MWC but they pushed hard to join the PAC-10 but they didn't want none.

anything else?

 

[casmith07]

They've played more ranked teams than Oregon has.

Likely will finish the season that way as well.

But let me guess, VT doesn't count for Boise and Tennessee is so much better than a ranked Oregon St.

In short, you're saying Boise should be ranked less because their upcoming schedule isnt too tough? Not on what they have done as of now but what is likely to happen in the future?

Good, sound reasoning.

Don't blame me, blame the way it's done. And no, Virginia Tech shouldn't count for ANYTHING. THEY LOST TO JAMES MADISON.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

Jeebus I expected a few comments about this topic but not 8 pages..lol let me begin by saying that I agree that Oregon should have jumped BSU in the rankings. Oregon’s win over Stanford was a quality win over a legitimate top 10 program and they deserve that position. I do not feel slighted as a BSU fan in the least. I do not think had Coach Pete kept our QB in for more than the half he played and we hung more than Oregon did on the Aggies it would have made any difference. I agree with the SOS argument. Boise does play a weak schedule this year, but I disagree that they should just schedule harder opponents. Boise did turn Nebraska’s 1-2 offer down because they were switching conferences, and they couldn’t work the TV money out, Nebraska refused to do a 1-1 deal with us.

Boise cannot get teams to schedule us. It isn’t fantasy, it isn’t wishful thinking on our part, it is our reality. We have everything to gain by playing harder opponents and they have everything to lose, most teams are not willing to take that risk regardless of how we offer to split the revenue. That isn’t our claiming to be a juggernaut, but we have proven to be able to knock off the traditional powerhouses regardless of why and it while it has given us an identity it has been our downfall in some regards as well. I have to laugh at the excuses that get thrown back at why these teams lose to Boise, OU woke up and realized that Boise could play? Oregon used the wrong zone blocking against us. We had a month or six months to prepare. Did OU or Oregon or TCU or whoever not have tape on BSU? Do they approach all of their games that way?

The last desperate act of debate of the desperate when discussing BSU always resorts to the infamous blue turf. Since rkell already pointed it out I wont go into the turf issue, however BSU has tried to get into the PAC-10 for a number of years and has been denied each year. It has nothing to do with academics, as some would tell you, it has to do with the fact that BSU is a one trick pony and offers nothing else other than wrestling which is already in the PAC-10.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

Don't blame me, blame the way it's done. And no, Virginia Tech shouldn't count for ANYTHING. THEY LOST TO JAMES MADISON.

If VT keeps playing the way they have been they will end up winning the ACC and could find their way back into the top 25 anyway. That loss to James Madison might not be as damning as it seems. BSU needs VT and Oregon State to both win out.

 

[Dallas]

so to recap

Texas fans think BSU should get a shot

OU fans are still butt hurt that BSU beat them and don't want to see them again.

i also heard a lot of excuses of why OU lost that game only to go on to say "I'm not making excuses". really? then why did you type all of them out.

also if it doesn't matter where the team you play is ranked when you play them, just what they are ranked at the end, the only team on Oregon's schedule that is likely to be ranked at the end of the season(especially if Oregon wins) is Arizona, which is the only team currently ranked team left on their schedule.

ill also say along those lines that if Texas loses to Nebraska they have next to zero chance of cracking top 25, so that leaves the sooners with Florida state as the only chance of having a top 25 team defeat by seasons end, but i doubt they beat Clemson, and if they do they wont beat Florida which most likely still drops them out of the top 25.

also all the sooner fans saying Boise should be jumped(which BTW i agree with, Oregon beat #9) i don't want to see you complaining if Nebraska beats Texas and Nebraska jumps Oklahoma(only 11 votes separate you and come on it is still Texas).

the people shouting the loudest about BSU being a little guy that doesn't deserve a shot(Dallas, Switz flask i'm looking at you) sure seem to know the least about BSUs situation, citing not getting the talent that big schools get(didn't stop them from beating OU did it?) they need to schedule better teams(they issued an open challenge to play anybody at their field and nobody stepped up, and ill let you find the article, its out there) they need to get rid of their blue field(really? you really think this is a legit concern for anybody?) they literally blend in with their field(been brought up many times before and the NCAA has investigated several times and has concluded each time that those claims are false, you can look that up too) they need to get in a better conference(you realize that you cant just go to whatever conference you want right? money, media market, academic standards, location...these are just some of the factors required to get into top conferences not to mention that football programs are not the only programs taken into consideration for a conference switch, you need to be competitive across the board in other athletic programs to get into a top conference(see Baylor in track and basketball))

BSU is switching conferences though from WAC to MWC but they pushed hard to join the PAC-10 but they didn't want none.

anything else?

Another butt hurt horn fan. :laugh2: You are so late w/ your post.

You have absolutely nothing to say. Im sorry your Horns lost on Sat.


Let it GOOOOOO. :laugh2: :laugh2:

You can look at me all day. Our facts are valid. You never once show that what we said in the BCS of things isn't legit.


:laugh2:

BTW: Im re-watching the RRS again for the 2nd time.


Some of you Horn fans need to get edumacated on the BCS formula. Good lord!

 

[Dallas]

If VT keeps playing the way they have been they will end up winning the ACC and could find their way back into the top 25 anyway. That loss to James Madison might not be as damning as it seems. BSU needs VT and Oregon State to both win out.

Now now Jack, stop being crystal clear w/ how it works. We don't want to confuse the Longhorn duo of Dooms and RKelly.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

Now now Jack, stop being crystal clear w/ how it works. We don't want to confuse the Longhorn duo of Dooms and RKelly.

I am agreeing with dooms when he was saying we will have faced 3 ranked teams this year. Should VT and Oregon ST both end up ranked, Nevada should stay undefeated until we play them at the end of the year for the WAC title, that should give us 3 ranked teams which helps our SOS cause. I am not sure that it will be enough, but if we are faced with a one loss AQ team and we are undefeated then it cannot hurt. All we can do is win out and let the rest of it play out. If we play for the NC we play if do not then we do not. If Oregon and Alabama and Ohio State are all Undefeated or only two of them are then we shouldn't be playing for the NC anyway. The only way we should be in that hunt is if one those teams is still undefeated after the season is over.

 

[Dallas]

I am agreeing with dooms when he was saying we will have faced 3 ranked teams this year. Should VT and Oregon ST both end up ranked, Nevada should stay undefeated until we play them at the end of the year for the WAC title, that should give us 3 ranked teams which helps our SOS cause. I am not sure that it will be enough, but if we are faced with a one loss AQ team and we are undefeated then it cannot hurt. All we can do is win out and let the rest of it play out. If we play for the NC we play if do not then we do not. If Oregon and Alabama and Ohio State are all Undefeated or only two of them are then we shouldn't be playing for the NC anyway. The only way we should be in that hunt is if one those teams is still undefeated after the season is over.

Dooms is saying it matters when they played while they were ranked that day. Please go back and RE-READ the thread. I also completely disagree w/ him. The formula takes in SOS at the END when the final BCS tabulations are completed. You just say your prayers VT and O-State wins out and someone above BS drops a game (which is what Switz n I have been saying all along), because that is the ONLY way BS could sniff the NC game. Your SOS is pathetic atm.

Don't hang your hopes on Nevada, please....

 

[Cythim]

so to recap

Texas fans think BSU should get a shot

OU fans are still butt hurt that BSU beat them and don't want to see them again.

i also heard a lot of excuses of why OU lost that game only to go on to say "I'm not making excuses". really? then why did you type all of them out.

also if it doesn't matter where the team you play is ranked when you play them, just what they are ranked at the end, the only team on Oregon's schedule that is likely to be ranked at the end of the season(especially if Oregon wins) is Arizona, which is the only team currently ranked team left on their schedule.

ill also say along those lines that if Texas loses to Nebraska they have next to zero chance of cracking top 25, so that leaves the sooners with Florida state as the only chance of having a top 25 team defeat by seasons end, but i doubt they beat Clemson, and if they do they wont beat Florida which most likely still drops them out of the top 25.

also all the sooner fans saying Boise should be jumped(which BTW i agree with, Oregon beat #9) i don't want to see you complaining if Nebraska beats Texas and Nebraska jumps Oklahoma(only 11 votes separate you and come on it is still Texas).

the people shouting the loudest about BSU being a little guy that doesn't deserve a shot(Dallas, Switz flask i'm looking at you) sure seem to know the least about BSUs situation, citing not getting the talent that big schools get(didn't stop them from beating OU did it?) they need to schedule better teams(they issued an open challenge to play anybody at their field and nobody stepped up, and ill let you find the article, its out there) they need to get rid of their blue field(really? you really think this is a legit concern for anybody?) they literally blend in with their field(been brought up many times before and the NCAA has investigated several times and has concluded each time that those claims are false, you can look that up too) they need to get in a better conference(you realize that you cant just go to whatever conference you want right? money, media market, academic standards, location...these are just some of the factors required to get into top conferences not to mention that football programs are not the only programs taken into consideration for a conference switch, you need to be competitive across the board in other athletic programs to get into a top conference(see Baylor in track and basketball))

BSU is switching conferences though from WAC to MWC but they pushed hard to join the PAC-10 but they didn't want none.

anything else?

You seem to know absolutely nothing about college football yet you come here and try to talk about it all the time. Stanford, Arizona and Oregon State will likely all be in the top 25 at the end of the season along with a fifth Pac-10 team, possible Cal, UCLA or USC. Oregon will end the season with at least 3 games played against Top 25 opponents.

As for Oklahoma, if they win out they will play against Nebraska in the Big 12 title game which counts as one ranked opponent. Texas can still crack back into the Top 25 with a loss to Nebraska if they win out and Oklahoma State and Missouri have a good shot at finishing in the Top 25. Air Force is in the Top 25 right now, but games against TCU and Utah will likely knock them back out. Oklahoma will end the season with at least 3 games played against Top 25 opponents as well.

The two statements in bold are facts that you should not try to debate, it will only hurt you. And while these two teams are looking at a minimum of 3 games against Top 25 opponents, Boise State is hoping they will be able to reach that number. If either team goes undefeated they undoubtedly deserve to be ahead of Boise State.

 

[romo2to]

Boise State should not be knocked out of the three spot until they get beat. Same with Alabama/Ohio State.

It's like dropping a team when they have a bye week.

Competition, be damned.

 

[rkell87]

You seem to know absolutely nothing about college football yet you come here and try to talk about it all the time. Stanford, Arizona and Oregon State will likely all be in the top 25 at the end of the season along with a fifth Pac-10 team, possible Cal, UCLA or USC. Oregon will end the season with at least 3 games played against Top 25 opponents.

As for Oklahoma, if they win out they will play against Nebraska in the Big 12 title game which counts as one ranked opponent. Texas can still crack back into the Top 25 with a loss to Nebraska if they win out and Oklahoma State and Missouri have a good shot at finishing in the Top 25. Air Force is in the Top 25 right now, but games against TCU and Utah will likely knock them back out. Oklahoma will end the season with at least 3 games played against Top 25 opponents as well.

The two statements in bold are facts that you should not try to debate, it will only hurt you. And while these two teams are looking at a minimum of 3 games against Top 25 opponents, Boise State is hoping they will be able to reach that number. If either team goes undefeated they undoubtedly deserve to be ahead of Boise State.

i know plenty, and i highly doubt a 3 loss Texas team ends in the top 25, losing three in a row. BSU will have played 3 top 25 teams as well(if Nevada keeps winning), unless you mean teams that end in the top 25 in which case you would be wrong if Oregon wins out (as people are predicting) CAL, and OSU wont be ranked high enough to take a loss that late, USC has a shot as a 2 loss team but not if they lose to Stanford. and you would be wrong about Oklahoma as well cause like i said 3 loss Texas in the top 25 is highly unlikely.

 

[rkell87]

Another butt hurt horn fan. :laugh2: You are so late w/ your post.

You have absolutely nothing to say. Im sorry your Horns lost on Sat.


Let it GOOOOOO. :laugh2: :laugh2:

You can look at me all day. Our facts are valid. You never once show that what we said in the BCS of things isn't legit.


:laugh2:

BTW: Im re-watching the RRS again for the 2nd time.


Some of you Horn fans need to get edumacated on the BCS formula. Good lord!

thanks for your reply, you said nothing...as usual

 

[romo2to]

I think it's funny to see everyone arguing about who Boise State plays/has played when the majority of computers have them ranked #3 right now behind Oregon/Alabama.

Computer polls:

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

 

[CATCH17]

Boise State should not be knocked out of the three spot until they get beat. Same with Alabama/Ohio State.

It's like dropping a team when they have a bye week.

Competition, be damned.

I agree. Is Oregon better than Boise State? I doubt it.




This is exactly what I hate about College football.

Stupid Texas should've gone to the Pac 10 so we could have a playoff but no they had to get greedy and make the Big 12 weaker by losing Nebraska in the process.

I don't feel nearly as upset about Texas getting screwed over by OU a couple of years back because of the way Texas sold out this past offseason.

 

[Cythim]

i know plenty, and i highly doubt a 3 loss Texas team ends in the top 25, losing three in a row. BSU will have played 3 top 25 teams as well(if Nevada keeps winning), unless you mean teams that end in the top 25 in which case you would be wrong if Oregon wins out (as people are predicting) CAL, and OSU wont be ranked high enough to take a loss that late, USC has a shot as a 2 loss team but not if they lose to Stanford. and you would be wrong about Oklahoma as well cause like i said 3 loss Texas in the top 25 is highly unlikely.

Again, no you do not. The final poll will have 3 and 4 loss teams in it. The Pac-10 will finish with 4 ranked teams, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford and whoever is the best between USC, OSU and possibly UW. OSU, Arizona and Stanford finished last season ranked with an 8-4 record.

In the Big 12 Nebraska will obviously be ranked if Oklahoma makes it to the Big 12 title game and OSU has a great shot at being ranked (they made the final BCS poll with a 9-3 record last season and should easily deplicate that record). Missouri is also in line for a 3-loss record and a shot at the Top 25 and obviously you cannot count Texas out yet.