Osa Odighizuwa Is An Underrated Pass Rusher

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Is that not also true of a pressure? If anything, a sack decreases the chance of converting a 1st Down in the series since there's loss of yardage. Not sure where the 4-yard example came from but your typical sack is 8-12 yards from what I can recall. That can indeed be significant for field position or for trying to kick a late FG in a half or something, etc. Whether one is better or not is a big ol' argument of opinions unless someone has numbers but sacks are more devastating to an opposing offense than a pressure on any given down. They just come farther and fewer in between so you can't make your living on that if you're a defense, so the two work together.

Sure. But the argument isn't really 1 sack vs. 1 pressure, though.

It's the collective impact of a high volume of pressures vs. a lower volume of sacks. Nobody is arguing that, on a singular play, a pressure is better than a sack (though, if it forces a turnover, why wouldn't it be?). The point is that 5 sacks doesn't necessarily give you more value than, say, 20 pressures.

 

[MarcusRock]

Sure. But the argument isn't really 1 sack vs. 1 pressure, though.

It's the collective impact of a high volume of pressures vs. a lower volume of sacks. Nobody is arguing that, on a singular play, a pressure is better than a sack (though, if it forces a turnover, why wouldn't it be?). The point is that 5 sacks doesn't necessarily give you more value than, say, 20 pressures.

True. You can have a 18-sack guy with 30 pressures and chances are (in a very, very primitive way - dividing by 3 downs), he contributed to ending 16 drives (not counting any 4th Down pass attempts) whereas you can have a 9-sack guy with 48 pressures and chances are he ended 19 drives. This also assumes that a pressure resulted in nothing for the offense which of course doesn't always happen so then you'd have to make up a "Useless Pressure Count/Rate" where something positive did still happen, lol. Let's just say they work together and leave it at that. True you can't call one absolutely superior to the other.

 

[Chasing6]

True. You can have a 18-sack guy with 30 pressures and chances are (in a very, very primitive way - dividing by 3 downs), he contributed to ending 16 drives (not counting any 4th Down pass attempts) whereas you can have a 9-sack guy with 48 pressures and chances are he ended 19 drives. This also assumes that a pressure resulted in nothing for the offense which of course doesn't always happen so then you'd have to make up a "Useless Pressure Count/Rate" where something positive did still happen, lol. Let's just say they work together and leave it at that. True you can't call one absolutely superior to the other.

I would have to believe everyone's pressure is increased when Micah is on the field.

I would be curious what it looks like when he is taking a breather.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

True. You can have a 18-sack guy with 30 pressures and chances are (in a very, very primitive way - dividing by 3 downs), he contributed to ending 16 drives (not counting any 4th Down pass attempts) whereas you can have a 9-sack guy with 48 pressures and chances are he ended 19 drives. This also assumes that a pressure resulted in nothing for the offense which of course doesn't always happen so then you'd have to make up a "Useless Pressure Count/Rate" where something positive did still happen, lol. Let's just say they work together and leave it at that. True you can't call one absolutely superior to the other.

Well you can't evaluate based on result. A sack can be useless, a pressure can be useless. But we can quantify this.

We know that interception EPA is ~-4.5, and sacks is ~-1.8, for an offense. For say, a DT playing an entire year, I'd rather have 34 chances at the INT than 5 sacks.

 

[buybuydandavis]

You're probably right, but in general a player is going to have a lot more pressures than sacks to even that out.

Yeah, that is the next level of analysis, and probably the one that's relevant for the current argument - how much *aggregate* WPA for sacks versus pressures.

 

[cowboyec]

love the zuwa.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You just said you know the "offseason priority will be DT."

Can't have it both ways.

It's been for many many years in a row.

Not going to suddenly change.

 

[DuncanIso]

You’re worried our FO might low ball a player?

Odds are we lose him to FA. 8(

 

[HungryLion]

Odds are we lose him to FA. 8(

Honestly, I basically expect him to go elsewhere next off season. I just don’t see the cowboys beating other teams offers.

But we shall see.

 

[blueblood70]

what happened to we didn't draft defensive good tackles?

I I believe he is a defensive tackle,

I believe we hit on a good one and he's gotten better every year he's going to be up for a contract soon but he is a defensive tackle right he's an inside defensive tackle I just want to make sure because people around here say that the owls Cowboys don't know how to draft defensive tackles I know most of I mean nose tackle but they don't know the difference between a three tech and a nose tackle but I just wanted to point it out that OSA is pretty damn good..

 

[DuncanIso]

Honestly, I basically expect him to go elsewhere next off season. I just don’t see the cowboys beating other teams offers.

But we shall see.

he has excellent stats.

pro football ref gives him excellent AV ratings.

he‘s borderline Pro Bowl.

that’s gonna be a 3-4 years, $30-40 mill total contract.

he agent probably wants to wait until FA starts too. Take the biggest offer.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Osa has been a massively underrated player for us. He deserves to get paid next offseason. Sadly it won’t be here.

 

[HungryLion]

he has excellent stats.

pro football ref gives him excellent AV ratings.

he‘s borderline Pro Bowl.

that’s gonna be a 3-4 years, $30-40 mill total contract.

he agent probably wants to wait until FA starts too. Take the biggest offer.

Yeah I agree. OSA is going to get a big deal from
Someone.

 

[kskboys]

I will take a guy with 11 pressures and 10 sacks than a guy with 20 pressures and 4 sacks anyday of the week.

That's an irrelevant take. A sack is a pressure. When you're counting pressure, you're simply saying how often does he get in the QB's face. Because getting in the QB's face affects the play. So, the more you get in his face, the more you affect the O. Constant pressure wins playoff games.

 

[kskboys]

You can giggle all you want.

You know that when you start counting sack totals the idea that "more sacks = better" is stupid. Do you really think that Josh Allen is better than Micah and Myles Garrett? Really really?

Sacks are just one stat. No player can be truthfully evaluated using only one stat.