Our FO hit it out of the park

[theogt]

Do you think that GMs are fired when they made correct decisions, and didn't get results, or when they made a different, potentially incorrect, decision, and got good results?

It's a results oriented business - Bobby Beathard made what was considered widely as a very good decision in selecting Ryan Leaf #2 overall in 1998, and it blew up in his face. Tom Braatz made what was considered a sage selection when he picked Tony Mandarich #2 overall in 1989, and it ended up costing him his job.

Why? Because they didn't get the results of making the "correct" decision.

Are you simply pointing out that sometimes people act irrationally? Because, if so, I take your point. It's an obvious one, though.

 

[Plankton]

Are you simply pointing out that sometimes people act irrationally? Because, if so, I take your point. It's an obvious one, though.

No, I'm pointing out that I think your stance on this is incorrect. The results matter.

 

[theogt]

No, I'm pointing out that I think your stance on this is incorrect. The results matter.

Results can be a symptom of consistent good decision making. A correlation. That's all. It's easy to spot the symptom.

 

[Risen Star]

No one said anything about popularity. That's just something you threw against the wall because you didn't have an argument.

If Randy Gregory were a popular pick, he'd been taken higher. If La'el Collins were popular, he'd have been drafted at all. If Greg Hardy were popular, he wouldn't be on the team. If they did the popular thing at RB, Murray would still be on the team. If they made the popular decision at corner, Claiborne and Carr would have been cut already.

You're far too transparent.

Yes. I don't have an argument. While you, an intelligent guy, say when you draft a player and he busts, you still might have made a good decision.

So this must mean, being intelligent and all, you can accurately hand out official draft grades right after the actual draft. Because you say so and you sound really smart.

Notify, like, the entire football world. This is genius stuff.

 

[Risen Star]

No, I'm pointing out that I think your stance on this is incorrect. The results matter.

Of course they do. Point and laugh. It's what I'm doing.

 

[theogt]

Yes. I don't have an argument. While you, an intelligent guy, say when you draft a player and he busts, you still might have made a good decision.

Of course that's what I'm saying. Good decisions can have bad results and bad decisions can have positive results. Bad results are unpopular, particularly to simple minds. In the entertainment business, popularity will outweigh critical thinking almost universally.

 

[theogt]

Of course they do. Point and laugh. It's what I'm doing.

That's often what my 3 year olds do as well. I'm getting a similar level of dialogue and critical thinking here too. But I can at least expect them to grow out of it.

 

[CyberB0b]

Is your sig pic the poster over your bed ?

Yes. Where else would I put it?

 

[Nightman]

Of course that's what I'm saying. Good decisions can have bad results and bad decisions can have positive results. Bad results are unpopular, particularly to simple minds. In the entertainment business, popularity will outweigh critical thinking almost universally.

The decision to draft Claiborne at 6 was the right decision, even though it hasn't worked out. We needed a CB and he was the highest rated CB. The trade up was a bad call though.

Drafting Fasano, Marty B and Escobar with 2nd rounds picks were all mistakes. Someone overvalued the backup TE position and Witten is one of the most reliable players out there.

Re-signing MBIII was a mistake. His pounding style was not conducive to a long career.
Re-signing Ratliff was a good bargain at the time and helped the salary cap. No one foresaw him quitting on the team.

 

[Risen Star]

That's often what my 3 year olds do as well. I'm getting a similar level of dialogue and critical thinking here too. But I can at least expect them to grow out of it.

Hey, I'll say one thing and I'll leave you to be ridiculously wrong on this. I want to GM your team. Results don't matter. It all sounded good when we did it.

 

[jday]

I have been critical in the past. But I have agreed with every move ourFO has made. From not overpaying for an injury prone RB. To drafting/signing 3 first round talents. To locking up Cole and Dez. To taking a chance on a tone setting all pro DL And now trading a 7th for a RB more talented than any RB in this draft not named Gurley or Gordon. Kudos. I could not be happier with this offseason.

I don't know. I'm still on the fence about that whole drafting/signing 3 first round talents. Only time will tell if that was a good idea...

 

[theogt]

Hey, I'll say one thing and I'll leave you to be ridiculously wrong on this. I want to GM your team. Results don't matter. It all sounded good when we did it.

Basic logic skills would unfortunately be a prereq.

 

[Nightman]

Hey, I'll say one thing and I'll leave you to be ridiculously wrong on this. I want to GM your team. Results don't matter. It all sounded good when we did it.

Why do you think Belichick is the most aggressive coach? He knows the Owner has his back and won't fire him if a 4th and 5 goes bad or a player he cuts does well. If the decision is sound based on all the knowledge at the time, that is all that matters.

Reacting based on hindsight is what the NFL does and it is why they had a terrible couple years.

 

[Risen Star]

Why do you think Belichick is the most aggressive coach? He knows the Owner has his back and won't fire him if a 4th and 5 goes bad or a player he cuts does well. If the decision is sound based on all the knowledge at the time, that is all that matters.

Reacting based on hindsight is what the NFL does and it is why they had a terrible couple years.

Belichick has job security because of....wait for it....results.

 

[Nightman]

Belichick has job security because of....wait for it....results.

Most coaches are incredibly conservative because they don't want to face the second guessing media and fans after the game.

The owner hears enough grumbling and he has an easy out to replace him.

The coach that can claim he went 'by the book' will be protected by the mediots, even if it isn't the best chance percentage wise.

Very few coaches and GMs can avoid this scenario and Belichick is the most noticeable.

His results are good because he makes good decisions, not always popular ones.

He has turned the draft into a long term event because his owner has the patience to trust the process of trading back. Most GMs don't have that luxury. They need instant 'results'. He knows most draft picks don't pan out so it is better to get more picks and win on volume.

 

[theogt]

Belichick has job security because of....wait for it....results.

Belichick wouldn't have consistently good results without consistently good decision making. His results are the symptom of his good decision making.

Unless you're contending that he's just gotten lucky over the past decade plus. In which case, I guess you're entitled to your own opinion.

 

[Jstopper]

Just curious. As deep as everyone said we were, have any of our cuts been picked up by another team?

We've had about 5 of our cuts sign with other teams

 

[theogt]

We've had about 5 of our cuts sign with other teams

Do you happen to have a list?

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Do you happen to have a list?

Edwards
Agnew
Gibson
Are 3 I know of.

 

[Alexander]

Edwards
Agnew
Gibson
Are 3 I know of.

Not quite five.