Our "Elite" Players..

[Ashwynn]

but vandy missed the only kick that ever really mattered for him...

newman maybe i will give you but the lack of INTs means hes not a game changer

Witten wasnt elite that year...he was 2nd in catches to gonzalez, and 3rd in TDs to gonzalez and gates. those are the two elite receivers, by far. witten is just a notch below them

Newman does not get a lot fo business. Teams shy away from him. If your gunna consider stats a measuring stick instead of watching his play, consider the fact that teams dont test him regularly as a important as a bucketful of INTs. He has already changed the game before they even throw. Thats a game changer in my mind.

 

[Da Hammer]

Roy Williams
Terrence Newman
Terrell Owens
Mike Vanderjerk
Jason Witten

Flozell Adams (obviously when healthy and also when motivated)

 

[Cowchips]

Bledsoe lost as many as he won, which is not the sign of a good qb, let alone elite. Farve would have won the first Commander game, the Raider game, the Seattle game and the Denver game and the second Giant game with all the talent we had.

Favre had 29 interceptions!! He is washed up. Cowboys wouldnt have won 5 games with Favre.

With a decent kicker, Bledsoe and the 'boys would have won 12 games and probably gone deep into the playoffs..

 

[icyhot]

so which Cowboys do you think qualify as "elite"? I guess one good way to determine the elite players is to say that you could argue that they are in the top 5 at his position in the NFL.. I dont know if that is a good way to describe it or not.. but anyways, I think that we have six "elite" Cowboys..

1. Roy Williams- no doubt, he is an elite player.. you could make the argument that he is the best safety in the league, along with Ed Reed, Troy Polamolu, and Brian Dawkins..

2. Terrell Owens- again, this is a no brainer.. he alongside Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, and Torry Holt have dominated the game for the past several seasons..

3. Terence Newman- This one is debatable, but I believe that Newman is an elite CB, even if he hasnt been named to a Pro Bowl yet.. we saw last year that he is a shut down corner, and Dr. Z of Sports Illustrated actually had him rated as THE number one cover corner in the league last year.. He will be recognized soon.. I put Newman in the same company as Champ Bailey, Ronde Barber, DeAngelo Hall, Deltha O'Neal, and Nathan Vasher..

4. Jason Witten- I suppose that this one is slightly debatable and isnt a given like Roy and TO, but Witten is elite.. he is right after Antonio Gates, alongside Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, Alge Crumpler, and Todd Heap..

5. Mike Vanderjagt- Another sure fire elite player.. You can debate for him in the best kicker argument along with Adam Vinatieri, Neil Rackers, Shane Graham, and David Akers..

6. Demarcus Ware- OK, this is based on potential.. I think that he is gonna become an elite player this year.. Last year he was very very good but not elite.. This year, I think that he becomes elite.. I think that he becomes one of the best pass rushers in the NFL..

There you have it.. I say that we have 6 elite players.. 3 of them are sure fire, no brainers (Roy, TO, Vanderjagt).. 1 of them is slightly debatable, but most would agree is elite (Witten).. 1 of them is very open to debate but I think will soon be common knowledge (Newman).. 1 of them is purely based on my speculation of his incredible talent and improvement this offseason (Ware)..

Sounds like a major upgrade of our roster since Bill took over as coach.

 

[goshan]

Flozell is not a top 3 LT in the NFL.

 

[on8thdayGodcreatedBledsoe]

Favre had 29 interceptions!! He is washed up. Cowboys wouldnt have won 5 games with Favre.

With a decent kicker, Bledsoe and the 'boys would have won 12 games and probably gone deep into the playoffs..

Why do so many fail to comprehend this??

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I only see 2, maybe three on the team.

TNewm - best in the game.

el dorado. - Oh you dont know how it pains me to say this, but hes the best in the game too.

You can make a case for the kicker guy. I personally consider a kicker a saftey net and with a better offense and/or defense a kickers value is not nearly as magnified. But hes the best at that position and thats gotta account for something. So like I say, depending on how you look at it, 2 to 3 elite players on the boys.

I would like to say Witten, but Gates is just as good. Others are notably good as well, you could say 'arguably the best' for the Wittens, Roys and Flos of the team. But Tnewm and el dorado are the only true 'elite' players on the team for now.

the quetion wasnt asking who was the best, just who do you consider elite

 

[Eskimo]

but vandy missed the only kick that ever really mattered for him...

newman maybe i will give you but the lack of INTs means hes not a game changer

Witten wasnt elite that year...he was 2nd in catches to gonzalez, and 3rd in TDs to gonzalez and gates. those are the two elite receivers, by far. witten is just a notch below them

I think you'd have to consider Newman a game changer if it means that QBs don't throw at guys who he covers so we can shade our coverage over to protect the rest of the secondary. Why? Because the game would be played very differently if he were not back there.

Newman is the only player on the team right now who I would strongly argue is the best at his position in this league.

 

[Hostile]

Why do so many fail to comprehend this??

Perhaps it's that some do not agree with this assumption. It is a free country outside of New Hampshire as well. Seems like at least one NFL team doesn't agree with you and a lot of NFL talking heads as well. Go figure.

 

[on8thdayGodcreatedBledsoe]

Perhaps it's that some do not agree with this assumption. It is a free country outside of New Hampshire as well. Seems like at least one NFL team doesn't agree with you and a lot of NFL talking heads as well. Go figure.

I remember you kept challenging me to find any pundits who thought Bledsoe was all that good. Well, this is from Realfootball365.com in an article on TO in Dallas:

This time around, Owens will be playing ball with fantasy footballer dream QB Drew Bledsoe. Last year, Tuna's scheme got the best performance out of the quarterback since his first season with the pass-happy Buffalo Bills in 2002. Bledsoe was, as is his usual wont, top ten in five major statistical categories, yet the running game charged by Julius Jones (257 carries for 993 yards) and Marion Barber III (138 for 538) adds depth of a sort that Bledsoe hasn't seen since he was handing it to Curtis Martin on Parcells' New England Patriots . Adding T.O. to Glenn as a second deep threat to Bledsoe's arsenal is like augmenting The Terminator with a cruise missile. This trio could very well prove almost unfair against any secondary not in the top five.

That sums up the situation pretty well.

 

[jimmy40]

so which Cowboys do you think qualify as "elite"? I guess one good way to determine the elite players is to say that you could argue that they are in the top 5 at his position in the NFL.. I dont know if that is a good way to describe it or not.. but anyways, I think that we have six "elite" Cowboys..

1. Roy Williams- no doubt, he is an elite player.. you could make the argument that he is the best safety in the league, along with Ed Reed, Troy Polamolu, and Brian Dawkins..

2. Terrell Owens- again, this is a no brainer.. he alongside Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, and Torry Holt have dominated the game for the past several seasons..

3. Terence Newman- This one is debatable, but I believe that Newman is an elite CB, even if he hasnt been named to a Pro Bowl yet.. we saw last year that he is a shut down corner, and Dr. Z of Sports Illustrated actually had him rated as THE number one cover corner in the league last year.. He will be recognized soon.. I put Newman in the same company as Champ Bailey, Ronde Barber, DeAngelo Hall, Deltha O'Neal, and Nathan Vasher..

4. Jason Witten- I suppose that this one is slightly debatable and isnt a given like Roy and TO, but Witten is elite.. he is right after Antonio Gates, alongside Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, Alge Crumpler, and Todd Heap..

5. Mike Vanderjagt- Another sure fire elite player.. You can debate for him in the best kicker argument along with Adam Vinatieri, Neil Rackers, Shane Graham, and David Akers..

6. Demarcus Ware- OK, this is based on potential.. I think that he is gonna become an elite player this year.. Last year he was very very good but not elite.. This year, I think that he becomes elite.. I think that he becomes one of the best pass rushers in the NFL..

There you have it.. I say that we have 6 elite players.. 3 of them are sure fire, no brainers (Roy, TO, Vanderjagt).. 1 of them is slightly debatable, but most would agree is elite (Witten).. 1 of them is very open to debate but I think will soon be common knowledge (Newman).. 1 of them is purely based on my speculation of his incredible talent and improvement this offseason (Ware)..

No way in hell you can debate Vanderjagt being the kicker Vinatieri is.

 

[stealth]

name a corner in the league better than terrance newman and then prove that person is better...

newman may be the best corner in the league if that isn't elite I don't know what is.

 

[stealth]

Favre had 29 interceptions!! He is washed up. Cowboys wouldnt have won 5 games with Favre.

With a decent kicker, Bledsoe and the 'boys would have won 12 games and probably gone deep into the playoffs..

you are way off on this one, if you put keyshawn and favre on the same team with glenn and think he wouldn't win 5 games here thats just being silly and hating on a guy just to hate on him.

favre takes risks and he had zero help last season as far as a receiver that could get the ball when he got it close to them. favre's team was abbismal last season and blaming him for the season green bay had is plain old favre prejudice.

 

[Hostile]

I remember you kept challenging me to find any pundits who thought Bledsoe was all that good. Well, this is from Realfootball365.com in an article on TO in Dallas:

This time around, Owens will be playing ball with fantasy footballer dream QB Drew Bledsoe. Last year, Tuna's scheme got the best performance out of the quarterback since his first season with the pass-happy Buffalo Bills in 2002. Bledsoe was, as is his usual wont, top ten in five major statistical categories, yet the running game charged by Julius Jones (257 carries for 993 yards) and Marion Barber III (138 for 538) adds depth of a sort that Bledsoe hasn't seen since he was handing it to Curtis Martin on Parcells' New England Patriots . Adding T.O. to Glenn as a second deep threat to Bledsoe's arsenal is like augmenting The Terminator with a cruise missile. This trio could very well prove almost unfair against any secondary not in the top five.

That sums up the situation pretty well.

That isn't what I was challenging you to find, but I'll offer you congrats on having found an article since it's clear you need some praise.



Even if it is just about fantasy football instead of real football despite the name of the URL. At least you found it. Forget the fact it's about TO with a blurb about Bledsoe. By all means try and sneak that by as evidence of what we talked about. As if I would actually forget.

This isn't my first rodeo Junior.

 

[on8thdayGodcreatedBledsoe]

That isn't what I was challenging you to find, but I'll offer you congrats on having found an article since it's clear you need some praise.



Even if it is just about fantasy football instead of real football despite the name of the URL. At least you found it. Forget the fact it's about TO with a blurb about Bledsoe. By all means try and sneak that by as evidence of what we talked about. As if I would actually forget.

This isn't my first rodeo Junior.

Enjoy your little Bledsoe belittlements now -- when the "real" football starts, all the Bledsoe critics will be silenced. I will enjoy serving up the crow for you and the others thoughout the entire season.

Bledsoe has never had the team he has now, ever. As Parcells said at the press conference -- people don't realize how close they were to being good last year -- this year, at least on paper, they are a whole heck of a lot better.

Bledsoe over his last season and a half -- 15-9. Considering the fact that 8 of those games were with the Bills, another 8 were with 2 rookies on the offensive line, the last 16 were without a FG kicker who could connect from more than 30 yards out, and all 24 were without T.O., I'd call that pretty damn good. Of course, some people insist the outcome of every game can be pinned on the QB, even though that makes no sense at all.

 

[Givincer]

Elite players
TO
Roy Williams
Jason Witten
Terence Newman
Drew Bledsoe
Julius Jones (when he is on the field he plays like an elite player)

Julius Jones in his 1st 21 games (which did take him two seasons to get to) has 80+ yds in 11 of those games. Whereas LT had 80+ yds in 10 of his games. Julius also has topped 190 2 times thus far. LT topped 190 once. Not saying Julius is better than LT by any stretch, just saying we don't have it so bad here with Julius. The issue is he needs to stay on the field, it comes down to whether you believe he is injury prone, or had two freak accidents.

When he's been on the field he's certainly been an elite player.

 

[firehawk350]

Elite players
TO
Roy Williams
Jason Witten
Terence Newman
Drew Bledsoe
Julius Jones (when he is on the field he plays like an elite player)

Julius Jones in his 1st 21 games (which did take him two seasons to get to) has 80+ yds in 11 of those games. Whereas LT had 80+ yds in 10 of his games. Julius also has topped 190 2 times thus far. LT topped 190 once. Not saying Julius is better than LT by any stretch, just saying we don't have it so bad here with Julius. The issue is he needs to stay on the field, it comes down to whether you believe he is injury prone, or had two freak accidents.

When he's been on the field he's certainly been an elite player.

Wow, I don't know what to say. I can name over 10 guys that there is no way Parcells wouldn't take him if he had the chance
Alexander
Tomlinson
Holmes
Larry Johnson
Edge
Portis
Cadillac
Reggie Bush
Tiki Barber
Dunn
Faulk
Jamal Lewis
McAllister
Fred Taylor

As far as Roy Williams, Drew Bledsoe and Newman, i just don't consider them elite. Drew bledsoe is too flaky, Roy Williams is a lot like Lavar arrington (too unpredictable), and TNew, I'm basing that off of someone I heard say that he plays the slot receiver on passing downs. in that case, no wonder why he hasn't given up a TD. But if im wrong on that or I heard wrong, let me know...

 

[jterrell]

Elite: top 3 to 5 at position

TO: Best WR.
Witten: 3rd TE
Newman: I'd argue best Cb but definitely top 5.
Vandy: 2nd best K.
RW: Best or 2nd best Strong Safety.
All perenniel pro bowlers


Very good: Top 10 at their position
Flozell: About 8th to 10th best.
Ware: There aren't 10 weakside 3-4 OLBS but he is a top 10 guy as pass rushing weakside player.
Bledsoe: About 10th at his position.
Pro Bowl mentions and votes if not every year guys.

Anthony Henry could enter the argument is he stays healthy a full year.
Bradie James if he plays another full season at last year's level.

 

[jterrell]

Wow, I don't know what to say. I can name over 10 guys that there is no way Parcells wouldn't take him if he had the chance
Alexander
Tomlinson
Holmes
Larry Johnson
Edge
Portis
Cadillac
Reggie Bush
Tiki Barber
Dunn
Faulk
Jamal Lewis
McAllister
Fred Taylor

As far as Roy Williams, Drew Bledsoe and Newman, i just don't consider them elite. Drew bledsoe is too flaky, Roy Williams is a lot like Lavar arrington (too unpredictable), and TNew, I'm basing that off of someone I heard say that he plays the slot receiver on passing downs. in that case, no wonder why he hasn't given up a TD. But if im wrong on that or I heard wrong, let me know...

I essentially agree with you about Jones based on his health issues. Having said that your list borders on comical. A few of those guys are right at the edge of retirement based on age while Jones is what 23 years old?

Newman played slot guys because they are the harder cover not because he is a weak link. Slot guys can motion and you have no boundary to protect you. Newman gave up nothing because he can cover anyone. The last guy to legitimately beat him for a TD was Steve Smith. Had he not played injured 2 seasons ago he'd be considered the top CB in the league hands down.
Opposing coaches know and do not even test him.

Think what you want of Roy Williams but he is a real force. He told Chad Johnson he would shut him down in the Pro Bowl then did. He knocks guys out of action every other week. He is a playmaker like Lavar who was quite beloved before he started battling his owner over his contract. I'd watch him this year in NY before assuming he can't play. RW is a strong safety and when allowed to play like a strong safety there is no better player at the position with the possible exception of the bad haired kid from Pittsburgh. The thing with Roy is like a great NBA shot blocker. He literally alters offensive guys play as they worry about getting slaughtered.

 

[Givincer]

Wow, I don't know what to say. I can name over 10 guys that there is no way Parcells wouldn't take him if he had the chance
Alexander
Tomlinson
Holmes
Larry Johnson
Edge
Portis
Cadillac
Reggie Bush
Tiki Barber
Dunn
Faulk
Jamal Lewis
McAllister
Fred Taylor

While I agree that the NFL is plentiful in elite RBs it does not mean Julius himself cannot be one. As the above poster stated though, parts of your list is actually comical due to age difference between some of those guys and Jones, but that is beside the point.

The point is Jones plays like an elite RB when he's on the field. Where he ranks among the elite RBs is debatable, there are many elite runningbacks in the NFL.