Owen Schmitt

[Stash]

a blitzing ILB who can cover, as well as help on special teams?

He would start?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He would start?

he would get as many snaps on O as Schmitt would

 

[theogt]

he would get as many snaps on O as Schmitt would

He'd get 1/3 of the offensive snaps? Wow.

 

[Alexander]

He's the only person I can see that would come in and be an immediate starter in the 3rd. Your argument was that he wouldn't have value in the 3rd and that doesn't seem true to me unless you have examples otherwise.

He's not even the top rated FB consistently if you look around. Most are split between him and Hillis.

When the field is split like that on a player, then chances are he's not worth a third round choice nor is he a sure-fire starter. The later you go, the more of a value he becomes. By the time you get to the fifth, that's where need and value converge.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He'd get 1/3 of the offensive snaps? Wow.

not...clever...

 

[Hostile]

Instead of getting indignant, you could try to grasp how little your commentary about Folk has to do with the value of selecting a fullback in the third round is.

I prefer to have fun. Thanks.

 

[theogt]

He's not even the top rated FB consistently if you look around. Most are split between him and Hillis.

No, he's the clear cut best FB. Very few places have Hillis rated higher.

When the field is split like that on a player, then chances are he's not worth a third round choice nor is he a sure-fire starter. The later you go, the more of a value he becomes. By the time you get to the fifth, that's where need and value converge.

There's really no doubt he'd start over Hoyte or Anderson. But it seems you're just not willing to answer the question, which tells me what I need to know about your original argument.

 

[Stash]

There are a number of areas I would address first.

I would like a WR prospect who is capable of starting in a year or two. I would like one who could step in as a third WR right now.

I would like a second tailback to ease the load on Marion Barber.

I would like a starting cornerback.

I would like a better inside linebacker than Akin Ayodele.

I would like a nickel cornerback better than Jacques Reeves. Or whomever we would have if he left for free agency.

I would like a quality guard who could back up Kosier or even push him for his job.

I would even take a young QB prospect to groom behind Romo.

If all of the above are satisfied after we pick three times in April, we must have got some pretty amazing players.

And I thought I asked for a lot....

I can't disagree with any of it honestly. I think the consensus around here is that the first three picks should be some combination of CB, WR, and RB. And I can even see taking the guard in the 3rd round to push Kosier.

But after those spots were filled, I wouldn't have a problem with drafting Schmitt in the 4th round.

Why would you ever want to reach for a need, especially a fullback?

To answer your question, I don't know where he will be drafted. If asked to guess, I would say fifth round, which would be perfectly acceptable. I just prefer we aren't the ones who feel it is necessary to take him in the third round which some feel is justified.

I would have to agree that the 3rd round is just too high, no matter how much I like the guy and feel he would add to the team's running game.

 

[Alexander]

Wouldn't make the active roster all season.

We had first round choices who barely did either.

One of the luxuries of having a good team is that you don't have many spots where you could draft an instant starter.

But just because that is the case you don't see those smart teams blowing draft choices on fullbacks or bit players in the third round because they think they could start. We all knew that James Marten wouldn't start last year. We all knew that Jason Hatcher wouldn't either. But those are two areas that we saw value even though it was obvious that neither would start.

Sometimes depth at key positions is just as crucial.

 

[Stash]

he would get as many snaps on O as Schmitt would

I'll agree to disagree.

 

[Vintage]

He's the only person I can see that would come in and be an immediate starter in the 3rd.

So?

The draft is about finding long term solutions. If we can find a long term solution at WR, CB, OG/OT, etc.....all are more important than upgrading at FB.

 

[theogt]

We had first round choices who barely did either.

One of the luxuries of having a good team is that you don't have many spots where you could draft an instant starter.

But just because that is the case you don't see those smart teams blowing draft choices on fullbacks or bit players in the third round.

Sometimes depth at key positions is just as crucial.

3rd string ILB is more important than starting FB? I've heard it all.

 

[Alexander]

And I thought I asked for a lot....

It just goes to show you how low on the scale I would place getting a fullback would be right now. Our offense doesn't utilize it, nor do I see the value being there, particularly at that juncture of the draft.

But after those spots were filled, I wouldn't have a problem with drafting Schmitt in the 4th round.

The fourth begins where I would find it close to being palatable. Even then it would depend on what we did with several other key necessities.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

dreams are made winding, through her head

dreams are made winding, through her head

 

[theogt]

So?

The draft is about finding long term solutions. If we can find a long term solution at WR, CB, OG/OT, etc.....all are more important than upgrading at FB.

That's fine. So what do you want? Project WR? We've got those. Project OTs? We've got those. CB? We're already taking a backup CB earlier in the draft most likely. Guard could be an option there. But you're getting pretty dicey as to who would be more valuable.

I'm not saying I wouldn't be okay with taking a guard or CB in the 3rd. I'd absolutely be okay with it. But it's not a clear cut situation where they're more valuable than a starting FB. It just depends on who's there.

 

[JPM]

This turned into a Roy Williams-type thread.
Hey, if it makes anyone feel better, we are going to trade all of our draft picks and 1/3 of our team to move up to get McFadden.

 

[Alexander]

So?

The draft is about finding long term solutions. If we can find a long term solution at WR, CB, OG/OT, etc.....all are more important than upgrading at FB.

Nonsense.

The theogt draft philosophy basically states that you must get an instant starter at all times with the early draft choices.

I wonder what on earth the Vikings were doing drafting Adrian Peterson when they knew he wouldn't start over Chester Taylor right away. The Raiders were complete fools for drafting JaMarcus Russell and I won't even get into the special type of imbeciles the Browns were for trading for Brady Quinn.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

value

a concept that is opaque to theo

dude is a mini-Jerry Jones circa 2001

that was a great draft theo, Tony Dixon in the 2nd, bang-up job

 

[Alexander]

It just depends on who's there.

You'd have a very tough time finding any draft scenario where Owen Schmitt is the best value available in the third round when our pick comes on the clock.

 

[theogt]

Nonsense.

The theogt draft philosophy basically states that you must get an instant starter at all times with the early draft choices.

I wonder what on earth the Vikings were doing drafting Adrian Peterson when they knew he wouldn't start over Chester Taylor right away. The Raiders were complete fools for drafting JaMarcus Russell and I won't even get into the special type of imbeciles the Browns were for trading for Brady Quinn.

Nice straw man. I've never suggested such a thing.