Owen Schmitt

[Bob Sacamano]

Great. You get the concept, you're just terrible in application. I never said I'd be willing to give up a 1st and a 3rd for him if they were wanting less. Obviously you'd give less if you could get him for less. We don't know what they'd be willing to give him up for, though, hence we don't have the supply curve and can't determine market value.

I wouldn't go to Detroit and start the bidding at a 1st round pick like you're planning to

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Apparently Jamar is still in the hearts of some now who have found a replacement. Except this time they are suggesting spending third round draft choices on them.

yep, yep

these are the same guys who were lamenting the loss of Jamar Martin

 

[Hostile]

Funny, the only people I see bringing up Jamar Martin are the folks opposed to drafting Schmitt. So who is it that's actually living in the past?

 

[Alexander]

Funny, the only people I see bringing up Jamar Martin are the folks opposed to drafting Schmitt. So who is it that's actually living in the past?

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Apparently some have not learned.

 

[Hostile]

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Apparently some have not learned.

Yeah, Moose Johnston.

Thank you.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Schmitt is God

cornerstone!

 

[JPM]

Schmitt is God

cornerstone!

Nah, I just think he's good and could help this team.

 

[Alexander]

Nah, I just think he's good and could help this team.

Sure he could.

Just not worth taking in the third round when we have legitimate holes elsewhere on the roster.

 

[theogt]

Sure he could.

Just not worth taking in the third round when we have legitimate holes elsewhere on the roster.

Who else would come in as a 3rd round pick that would get as much playing time?

 

[Hostile]

Nah, I just think he's good and could help this team.

Which is all any of us have said.

 

[superpunk]

I think some people are a little irrationally enamored with Cricket Anderson. Surprisingly, (or maybe not surprisingly, true to his word) Hos is not one of them. (maybe he's shooting to hit 50k tonight...I don't know)

We haven't had a good FB in a while. If this Schmitt fellow is the real deal, why the hell not?

 

[Hostile]

I think some people are a little irrationally enamored with Cricket Anderson. Surprisingly, (or maybe not surprisingly, true to his word) Hos is not one of them.

We haven't had a good FB in a while. If this Schmitt fellow is the real deal, why the hell not?

Actually I love Anderson. I was the one guy last year who said the 2 players we took in the 6th round were both great draft picks. I was crazy.

Now, Anderson is so valuable that it would be an insult to take someone better I guess.

Hoyte is the guy I'm looking to replace. If we can get Schmitt in the 4th I think it's a steal. If it takes the 3rd round I am still in favor of it.

I've compared him to Neal and Moose. That got ignored for Jamar Martin.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, Moose Johnston.

Thank you.

Daryl Johnston was a once in a generation fullback.

I could counter that stab at nothing by running down the dozen or so fullbacks chosen before the fifth round that have busted or had no impact since he was taken:

Jamar Martin
Jarrod Baxter
George Layne
Moran Norris
Deon Dyer
Jeff Paulk
Joel Makovicka
Marc Edwards
Detron Smith
Jon Witman
Jeff Cothran
Tommy Vardell

Try again.

 

[Alexander]

Who else would come in as a 3rd round pick that would get as much playing time?

So because you believe that's the only spot we truly need an upgrade for our starter, that it is worth a premium choice or better yet, even a value there?

There is a reason why teams don't choose FBs that high. Part of it is due to the fact that they don't see the field three downs. You are just as apt to get as many quality snaps out of a third WR or nickel cornerback.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually I love Anderson. I was the one guy last year who said the 2 players we took in the 6th round were both great draft picks. I was crazy.

Now, Anderson is so valuable that it would be an insult to take someone better I guess.

Hoyte is the guy I'm looking to replace. If we can get Schmitt in the 4th I think it's a steal. If it takes the 3rd round I am still in favor of it.

I've compared him to Neal and Moose. That got ignored for Jamar Martin.

that's not it at all, I just don't see the worth in getting a guy high when we already have a potentially good all-around FB on the roster already, using a mid-round pick on him is ok, but anything higher than a 4th isn't worth it JMO

and you can't replace Hoyte, he's the best blocker we've had since Jamar Martin

well I'm done w/ this, everyone knows my feelings on the subject by now, or should

think Schmitt is a great FB, just not worth a pick that was once considered a Day 1 one

the staff is high on Deon, and he improved before he got injured, not only do I not want to take Schmitt w/ a high draft choice, I don't see the Cowboys doing it either

edit: I'm probably not done w/ this, this is actually a great discussion despite the needless mud-slinging theo and fuzzy are partaking in

 

[Hostile]

Daryl Johnston was a once in a generation fullback.

I could counter that stab at nothing by running down the dozen or so fullbacks chosen before the fifth round that have busted or had no impact since he was taken:

Jamar Martin
Jarrod Baxter
George Layne
Moran Norris
Deon Dyer
Jeff Paulk
Joel Makovicka
Marc Edwards
Detron Smith
Jon Witman
Jeff Cothran
Tommy Vardell

Try again.

No need. I never said anything about Jamar Martin other than to respond to that name being tossed out there. I mentioned Moose and Lorenzo Neal as guys who would disagree with death of the FB.

The NFL is cyclical and you know that. The FB may be a dying breed, but it only takes one or two good ones to make teams covet having one.

 

[theogt]

So because you believe that's the only spot we truly need an upgrade for our starter, that it is worth a premium choice or better yet, even a value there?

There is a reason why teams don't choose FBs that high. Part of it is due to the fact that they don't see the field three downs.

He's the only person I can see that would come in and be an immediate starter in the 3rd. Your argument was that he wouldn't have value in the 3rd and that doesn't seem true to me unless you have examples otherwise.

You are just as apt to get as many quality snaps out of a third WR or nickel cornerback.

True. But we all know we'll most likely be drafting a CB in the first 3 picks. If we haven't drafted one by the 3rd, of course that would be the best pick.

 

[silver]

Sure he could.

Just not worth taking in the third round when we have legitimate holes elsewhere on the roster.

i disagree. considering the only rookie who had significant playing time last year was the kicker i don't think we have legitimate holes elsewhere on the roster. we could use depth elsewhere (i doubt a rookie cracks the starting lineup next year unless is McF and we deal barber which won't happen)don't mind using a 3rd on the guy. i doubt he makes it past the second round 'though.

 

[Stash]

No need. I never said anything about Jamar Martin other than to respond to that name being tossed out there. I mentioned Moose and Lorenzo Neal as guys who would disagree with death of the FB.

The NFL is cyclical and you know that. The FB may be a dying breed, but it only takes one or two good ones to make teams covet having one.

I think they're only a dying breed when you don't have a good one.

Teams like Minnesota, San Diego and - until Mack Strong got hurt Seattle - were still utilizing the position to a great degree.

I love the thought of drafting Schmitt - and getting a bigger, more physical guard to replace Kosier too. I think the rest of the line - along with Barber - are built to play smash mouth football. And I think that would be a great complement to an already potent passing attack.

 

[Hostile]

I think they're only a dying breed when you don't have a good one.

Teams like Minnesota, San Diego and - until Mack Strong got hurt Seattle - were still utilizing the position to a great degree.

I love the thought of drafting Schmitt - and getting a bigger, more physical guard to replace Kosier too. I think the rest of the line - along with Barber - are built to play smash mouth football. And I think that would be a great complement to an already potent passing attack.

Exactly.

Like I said earlier in the thread, last year it was "stupid to draft a kicker." How stupid was it?

People stripped gears reversing field on him.