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5Stars;1953359 said:
You must have inhaled to much freon during your young days! ;)

As a matter of fact, I used to work in that industry also in Dallas. A Company call Hussman Refrigeation.

Lol my bro in law owns an HVAC Company. Ive done a lot of things but never inhaling freon and the like.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1953360 said:
the numbers also could have come from high school so basically we know that he could run anywhere from a 4.57 to a 4.9. Thats precision there.
Indeed. I never tried to argue that they're very accurate.
 

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theogt;1953364 said:
Indeed. I never tried to argue that they're very accurate.

No youve argued that they are the best. As far as im concerned if theyre not accurate then who cares.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1953366 said:
No youve argued that they are the best. As far as im concerned if theyre not accurate then who cares.
I've argued that if you're going to take guesses from sources that purport to make guesses, they're the best.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1953356 said:
i typically only get about 5 hours of sleep. Insomnia is a female dog.


theogt...do you work the night shift? You are up late too! (do you two guys really have a job)? :cool:
 

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theogt;1953368 said:
I've argued that if you're going to take guesses from sources that purport to make guesses, they're the best.

And Ive argued that if the spread of guesses are that wide ranging then theyre worthless. Its now gone up to .32 difference. Thats HUGE.

So you think hes going to run a 4.6 to 4.7 right?
 

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dogunwo;1953341 said:

Out of curiosity, if we were to take Schmitt in the fourth round, and had already addressed CB, RB, and WR...

How would we have "put off a more legitimate issue"? What position(s) would we be neglecting to address has weaker starters or depth?

S?

If we don't get Hamlin back, then by all means, but I doubt we let him get away. Depth is solid with Watkins improving his play and the coaches seemingly trusting Brown as a very raw rookie last year. We could look mid to late in the draft for special teams help and further depth assuming Killer is gone.

LB?

Aside from Akin, whom was quiet all year, our LB's played pretty well. We've got two 1st rounders waiting in the wings and another 3rd rounder that everyone is convinced is starting material. Why would a 3-4 round linebacker be able to contribute any more than what we already have?
I'd like to take a ILB, but won't expect much beyond special teams as a contribution. rounds 4-5 at the earliest.

DE?

Is it me, or does it seem like we've got 12 of these guys on the roster. Some are even masquerading as DT's. I can barely keep up with their names. We just need them to step it up one more notch. They are improving.

DT?

Possibly, but where would we find a true NT in the draft. No way a fourth round DT comes out and contributes right away...probably wouldn't beat out Fergie, Tank, or Ratliff anyway.

OT?

Ok, I wouldn't be upset by this, but we've got two from last year's draft that the coaches seem relatively high on. If Flozell leaves, then yes, of course...but I'd hope we wouldn't let him go unless we were sure McQ, Martin, or Free could take over. Let's take one late.

OG?

Ok, but I wouldn't say this is a priority either, at least no more so than FB. We can find guards anywhere in the draft. Kosier is solid, at the very least.
Our other lineman seem versatile enough to play more than one position on the line. Our depth seems solid here.

C?

I'd be shocked if there was a center in this draft that was worth a third, and he wasn't taken by a team devoid of talent at the position. We aren't that team. Again, the versatility of our lineman aid us here. It should not, however, be ignored. Late rounds.

TE?

lmao. No way. Our depth here is outstanding. Quality and versatility here.

QB?

I really hope not.


Where is there a clear-cut "more legitimate issue"?

Bye Hoyte. Welcome to special teams and spot duty Anderson. Welcome to the endzone Barber...right through that gaping hole Schmitt just opened up. (*hypothetically of course).
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1953380 said:
And Ive argued that if the spread of guesses are that wide ranging then theyre worthless. Its now gone up to .32 difference. Thats HUGE.

So you think hes going to run a 4.6 to 4.7 right?
No, that's not what the argument was about at all. Here, we basically agree. I don't agree that they're worthless, but I do agree that they're not worth basing your opinion on. I also think the other sites you posted aren't worth basing your opinion on. You claimed that your sources were "as good as" the NFLDS source. I disagree with that and that was the argument.
 

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theogt;1953385 said:
No, that's not what the argument was about at all. Here, we basically agree. I don't agree that they're worthless, but I do agree that they're not worth basing your opinion on. I also think the other sites you posted aren't worth basing your opinion on. You claimed that your sources were "as good as" the NFLDS source. I disagree with that and that was the argument.


I am so confused!!

:lmao:
 

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theogt;1953385 said:
No, that's not what the argument was about at all. Here, we basically agree. I don't agree that they're worthless, but I do agree that they're not worth basing your opinion on. I also think the other sites you posted aren't worth basing your opinion on. You claimed that your sources were "as good as" the NFLDS source. I disagree with that and that was the argument.

They are just as accurate.
 

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tomson75;1953382 said:
Out of curiosity, if we were to take Schmitt in the fourth round, and had already addressed CB, RB, and WR...

How would we have "put off a more legitimate issue"? What position(s) would we be neglecting to address has weaker starters or depth?

S?

If we don't get Hamlin back, then by all means, but I doubt we let him get away. Depth is solid with Watkins improving his play and the coaches seemingly trusting Brown as a very raw rookie last year. We could look mid to late in the draft for special teams help and further depth assuming Killer is gone.

LB?

Aside from Akin, whom was quiet all year, our LB's played pretty well. We've got two 1st rounders waiting in the wings and another 3rd rounder that everyone is convinced is starting material. Why would a 3-4 round linebacker be able to contribute any more than what we already have?
I'd like to take a ILB, but won't expect much beyond special teams as a contribution. rounds 4-5 at the earliest.

DE?

Is it me, or does it seem like we've got 12 of these guys on the roster. Some are even masquerading as DT's. I can barely keep up with their names. We just need them to step it up one more notch. They are improving.

DT?

Possibly, but where would we find a true NT in the draft. No way a fourth round DT comes out and contributes right away...probably wouldn't beat out Fergie, Tank, or Ratliff anyway.

OT?

Ok, I wouldn't be upset by this, but we've got two from last year's draft that the coaches seem relatively high on. If Flozell leaves, then yes, of course...but I'd hope we wouldn't let him go unless we were sure McQ, Martin, or Free could take over. Let's take one late.

OG?

Ok, but I wouldn't say this is a priority either, at least no more so than FB. We can find guards anywhere in the draft. Kosier is solid, at the very least.
Our other lineman seem versatile enough to play more than one position on the line. Our depth seems solid here.

C?

I'd be shocked if there was a center in this draft that was worth a third, and he wasn't taken by a team devoid of talent at the position. We aren't that team. Again, the versatility of our lineman aid us here. It should not, however, be ignored. Late rounds.

TE?

lmao. No way. Our depth here is outstanding. Quality and versatility here.

QB?

I really hope not.


Where is there a clear-cut "more legitimate issue"?

Bye Hoyte. Welcome to special teams and spot duty Anderson. Welcome to the endzone Barber...right through that gaping hole Schmitt just opened up. (*hypothetically of course).

outside of James our LB play was atrocious. burnett was as much or more of a liability as RW was.

C/G is more of a need then FB Berger and Co are the definition of JAGs.

ideally i would like to see,

1a) CB
1b) WR - yes it hurts to say that.
2) RB
3) ILB - it seems this crop isnt that good though

then in the fourth if Schmitt is top on the board then so be it. but ILB and OG value here is equal then you pass on the FB.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1953403 said:
the only way that NFLDraftScout could be more inaccurate is if they said he runs any where from a 4.4 to a 5.0.
NFLDraftScout simply relays the information. I have no doubt that professional NFL scouts are, on average, more accurate than some guy watching Youtube videos or some guy with a draft website.
 

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theogt;1953404 said:
NFLDraftScout simply relays the information. I have no doubt that professional NFL scouts are, on average, more accurate than some guy watching Youtube videos or some guy with a draft website.

No NFLDraftScout also throws out numbers arbitrarily. Hitterman admitted they took out the 4.9 score unilaterally. I imagine they did something similar with Stanback to come up wtih that gem. As such you cannot look at any score and assume that he didnt do likewise again.

Hitterman is just a guy with a draft website.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1953410 said:
No NFLDraftScout also throws out numbers arbitrarily. Hitterman admitted they took out the 4.9 score unilaterally. I imagine they did something similar with Stanback to come up wtih that gem. As such you cannot look at any score and assume that he didnt do likewise again.

Hitterman is just a guy with a draft website.
NFL Draft Scout isn't the source I was referring to. National and BLESTO were the sources I'm referring to. NFLDS is simply a proxy. I don't rely on the numbers of either, so it doesn't really matter to me. But they're certainly better sources than some guy with a website, which is something you yourself have admitted you base your opinion on.
 

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theogt;1953413 said:
NFL Draft Scout isn't the source I was referring to. National and BLESTO were the sources I'm referring to. NFLDS is simply a proxy. I don't rely on the numbers of either, so it doesn't really matter to me. But they're certainly better sources than some guy with a website, which is something you yourself have admitted you base your opinion on.

If you mean by proxy that they represent doctored figures then i agree.

NFLDraftScout tossing numbers they are given is pretty specious.

and I use all the available information that i can when i see different sources that all agree such as the 4.85 figure that sticks out in my mind. There is no concensus here. Not even close and some of the scouts put him up in that range as well.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1953420 said:
If you mean by proxy that they represent doctored figures then i agree.

NFLDraftScout tossing numbers they are given is pretty specious.
I agree that it is. But that's neither here nor there. The conversation was never about the accuracy of their numbers.

and I use all the available information that i can when i see different sources that all agree such as the 4.85 figure that sticks out in my mind. There is no concensus here. Not even close and some of the scouts put him up in that range as well.
Where is this 4.85 figure from? Who is reporting it?
 

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theogt;1953422 said:
I agree that it is. But that's neither here nor there.

Where is this 4.85 figure from? Who is reporting it?

Apparently BLESTO sent them a 4.78 and a 4.9 in their figures and Wright from countdown and another site have been putting him there as well.

and to me accuracy and best go hand in hand.
 
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