Owen Schmitt

[theogt]

Apparently BLESTO sent them a 4.78 and a 4.9 in their figures and Wright from countdown and another site have been putting him there as well.

Come again? Where did Wright get his 4.85 number?

and to me accuracy and best go hand in hand.

There's a difference between saying one source is accurate/inaccurate and saying one source is more/less accurate than another.

 

[TheCount]

Any chance we can get a Seinfeld script out of this thread?

These pretzels... are making me THIRSTY!!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Come again? Where did Wright get his 4.85 number?

There's a difference between saying one source is accurate/inaccurate and saying one source is more/less accurate than another.

were talking about random scouts that do these and you have no idea what youre dealing with. i have no idea where wright came up with those figures any more than you know where that 4.57 figure appeared from.

and its really immaterial becasue we dont have access to BLESTOs figures becaseu the closes we can get is from a source that alters them. so you can tout something we cannot see or use which is about as worthwhile as a dirty toilet.

 

[theogt]

were talking about random scouts that do these and you have no idea what youre dealing with. i have no idea where wright came up with those figures any more than you know where that 4.57 figure appeared from.

and its really immaterial becasue we dont have access to BLESTOs figures becaseu the closes we can get is from a source that alters them. so you can tout something we cannot see or use which is about as worthwhile as a dirty toilet.

So basically you base your opinion on something that you have no idea is valid or not?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So basically you base your opinion on something that you have no idea is valid or not?

/yawn

unless you have access to BLESTO's reports firsthand youre in the same boat as the rest of us.

Wright has been doing his thing for awhile its not like Im taking eduncans opinion on it from NFLDraftZone.

 

[tomson75]

outside of James our LB play was atrocious. burnett was as much or more of a liability as RW was.

I was including the play of our OLB's, but I see what you're getting at. While as uninspiring as it was, I wouldn't call Akin's play artocious. Burnett's fits that description better however, despite how we were lured into thinking he would make an impact this year by last summer's training camp reports.

C/G is more of a need then FB Berger and Co are the definition of JAGs.

I agree that C/OG is a more important position...and while those guys are JAGs, so are Hoyte and Anderson at this point...and one of those guys is a starter.

ideally i would like to see,

1a) CB
1b) WR - yes it hurts to say that.
2) RB
3) ILB - it seems this crop isnt that good though

I agree on the first two rounds, but the note you mention after ILB is precisely why I would rather spend that pick on a guy I'm pretty damn sure can come in a contribute...if not take the position over all together. It'd be a bit of a reach on Schmitt, but it wouldn't bother me. I'd rather see us go CB again (the depth there may allow us to get another good player here for a position that seemingly needs four good players these days), and then target Schmitt in the fourth...in an ideal world.

then in the fourth if Schmitt is top on the board then so be it. but ILB and OG value here is equal then you pass on the FB.

Fair enough.

 

[theogt]

/yawn

I'll take that as a yes.

How perfectly rational of you. /sarcasm

unless you have access to BLESTO's reports firsthand youre in the same boat as the rest of us.

I wouldn't base my opinion on their numbers even if I had direct access to them.

Wright has been doing his thing for awhile its not like Im taking eduncans opinion on it from NFLDraftZone.

Are you saying he is more or less accurate than BLESTO and National? By the way, Frank Cooney and the SportXchange have been doing this much longer than Scott.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was including the play of our OLB's, but I see what you're getting at. While as uninspiring as it was, I wouldn't call Akin's play artocious. Burnett's fits that description better however, despite how we were lured into thinking he would make an impact this year by last summer's training camp reports.



I agree that C/OG is a more important position...and while those guys are JAGs, so are Hoyte and Anderson at this point...and one of those guys is a starter.



I agree on the first two rounds, but the note you mention after ILB is precisely why I would rather spend that pick on a guy I'm pretty damn sure can come in a contribute...if not take the position over all together. It'd be a bit of a reach on Schmitt, but it wouldn't bother me. I'd rather see us go CB again (the depth there may allow us to get another good player here for a position that seemingly needs four good players these days), and then target Schmitt in the fourth...in an ideal world.



Fair enough.

im sorry but Hoyte was hurt with that neck stinger last year but hes shown that he can be a dominating lead blocker on the NFL level. Anderson was a rookie and was coming around nicely. Also both are very young developing players. Thats hardly a JAG.

I dont see why you think Schmitts going to come in from WVU's 3:1 run pass offense and start in our 4:6 offense in the NFL.

Hes not going to get carries with Barber in there.
Hes not going to play TE being a rookie and the excellence we have there.
Hes going to have to compete with Anderson/Hoyte for playing time and with our coaching staffs proclivities towards passing alot, 2 TE sets and not playing rookies unless forced to, hes going to have a hard time with that as well.
Hes a rookie and no sure thing by any means.

 

[theogt]

I dont see why you think Schmitts going to come in from WVU's 3:1 run pass offense and start in our 4:6 offense in the NFL.

This isn't exactly a fair comparison. What is our pass to run ratio out of formations with a fullback?

Hes not going to get carries with Barber in there.

Not sure why you'd think Barber would get 100% of the carries.

Hes not going to play TE being a rookie and the excellence we have there.

If he proved to be a better blocker than Fasano, you're damn straight he'd take his snaps.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'll take that as a yes.

How perfectly rational of you. /sarcasm

I wouldn't base my opinion on their numbers even if I had direct access to them.

Are you saying he is more or less accurate than BLESTO and National? By the way, Frank Cooney and the SportXchange have been doing this much longer than Scott.

That great its not as if Wright is just some schlub.

And youre not getting BLESTO's numbers. Youre getting doctored versions of BLESTO's numbers.

I would be interested to see what BLESTO's actual figures were on Stanback and what NFLDraftScout decided to throw out for example.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This isn't exactly a fair comparison. What is our pass to run ratio out of formations with a fullback?

Not sure why you'd think Barber would get 100% of the carries.

If he proved to be a better blocker than Fasano, you're damn straight he'd take his snaps.

Not sure why you wouldnt think draft pick/FA TB wouldnt get the remainder.

And now you think hes a better player then Fasano. He'd have to prove that hes a better blocker then our FBs already. Ive seen Hoyte dominate at the point of attack against NFL players.

im getting really bored with you.

 

[theogt]

Fuzzy - a guy that bases his opinion on something he has no idea whether it's valid or not. Fantastic. I think I started this thread claiming you have no credibility.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy - a guy that bases his opinion on something he has no idea whether it's valid or not. Fantastic. I think I started this thread claiming you have no credibility.

theo - a guy that makes crap up and then tries to repeat it over and over again hoping that someone will care.

i know NFLDraftScout isnt valid so i discard them for the most part. Wright ive been looking at and like for the most part and Boyleheart i respect and of course i use my own eyes.

 

[tomson75]

im sorry but Hoyte was hurt with that neck stinger last year but hes shown that he can be a dominating lead blocker on the NFL level. Anderson was a rookie and was coming around nicely. Also both are very young developing players. Thats hardly a JAG.

Your exaggerations don't make your assessments any truer. Hoyte is FAR from dominating at anything. He makes three big hits, and the guy is suddenly a somebody. Um..no. Anderson's play was worse than Ayodele's at times. You seem to have no problem criticizing his play. He can't block worth sheet. A dozen catches a year doesn't make up for his poor blocking.

I dont see why you think Schmitts going to come in from WVU's 3:1 run pass offense and start in our 4:6 offense in the NFL.

...because I've seen him play. Any rational person would come to the same conclusion. There aren't too many teams in the NFL this guy wouldn't start on his first year.

Hes not going to get carries with Barber in there.

Really? Never? Interesting.

You think Barber would like to have a decent lead blocker? I do. I bet he does too.

Hes not going to play TE being a rookie and the excellence we have there.

Never said he would. He does, however, have the versatility to back up in case of injury. Versatility and depth are neat that way.

Hes going to have to compete with Anderson/Hoyte for playing time

I'm sure he'd relish the opportunity. My money is on Schmitt.

and with our coaching staffs proclivities towards passing alot, 2 TE sets and not playing rookies unless forced to, hes going to have a hard time with that as well.

Parcell's was the biggest proponent of the 2 TE sets (they're very convenient when you have bozos playing FB)...and while Garrett uses them, he also uses many traditional sets as well. He may have a learning curve with pass protection, but I'm thinking he picks that up pretty quickly. He had no problem with the 1:3 ratio of passing at WVU.

Hes a rookie and no sure thing by any means.

Technically true, but they'll be 31 teams that will regret thinking that way.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your exaggerations don't make your assessments any truer. Hoyte is FAR from dominating at anything. He makes three big hits, and the guy is suddenly a somebody. Um..no. Anderson's play was worse than Ayodele's at times. You seem to have no problem criticizing his play. He can't block worth sheet. A dozen catches a year doesn't make up for his poor blocking.

...because I've seen him play. Any rational person would come to the same conclusion. There aren't too many teams in the NFL this guy wouldn't start on his first year.

Really? Never? Interesting.

You think Barber would like to have a decent lead blocker? I do. I bet he does too.

Never said he would. He does, however, have the versatility to back up in case of injury. Versatility and depth are neat that way.

I'm sure he'd relish the opportunity. My money is on Schmitt.

Parcell's was the biggest proponent of the 2 TE sets (they're very convenient when you have bozos playing FB)...and while Garrett uses them, he also uses many traditional sets as well. He may have a learning curve with pass protection, but I'm thinking he picks that up pretty quickly. He had no problem with the 1:3 ratio of passing at WVU.

Technically true, but they'll be 31 teams that will regret thinking that way.

You are fanboi. Thats nice.

1) i said he wouldnt get carries.
2) When Barber was leading the league in TD carries in 06 that was Hoyte clearing the path. that more than just a few hits.
3) Anderson is a developing player that Phillips has gone out of his way to praise.
4) Parcells actually decided to scrap the 2TE set and went to Hoyte because he was more effective in 2006. Garrett was the one that resurrected it.
5) Like Hoyte and Anderson dont work their butts off trying to get better. Anderson is perhaps one of the most spirited people we have on the team.
6) Liking Hoyte is fine but demeaning our players to pimp your boy aint cool.

 

[tomson75]

You are fanboi. Thats nice.

You're neat too Fuzzylump.

1) i said he wouldnt get carries.

Well, if YOU say so, it must be true.

2) When Barber was leading the league in TD carries in 06 that was Hoyte clearing the path. that more than just a few hits.

Was he also the one making those huge holes for Julius to run through untou....oh, wait.

3) Anderson is a developing player that Phillips has gone out of his way to praise.

Um...not sure if you've noticed, but Phillips has gone "out of his way" to praise damn near every player on the roster. His appraisal seems to come with the job.

4) Parcells actually decided to scrap the 2TE set and went to Hoyte because he was more effective in 2006. Garrett was the one that resurrected it.

Right, because Fasano didn't "get it" his rookie year. He does now.

Hold on, I thought Garrett had a propensity for the 2 TE set? Which is it?

5) Like Hoyte and Anderson dont work their butts off trying to get better.

That's nice. I hope they would. I just don't think they'd outplay Schmitt.

Anderson is perhaps one of the most spirited people we have on the team.

I know, and I like that, but "spirit" doesn't open up holes for RB's very often.

6) Liking Hoyte is fine but demeaning our players to pimp your boy aint cool.

I like all three, I just happen to think that the two currently on the roster aren't very good. If Hoyte and Anderson could combine their skills, we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

...and I'm not "pimping" anything. I don't give a damn if you, or anyone else, doesn't like Schmitt. I'm just telling it how I see it.

 

[theogt]

theo - a guy that makes crap up and then tries to repeat it over and over again hoping that someone will care.

i know NFLDraftScout isnt valid so i discard them for the most part. Wright ive been looking at and like for the most part and Boyleheart i respect and of course i use my own eyes.

You have no idea where Wright gets his numbers. It's hilarious that you'd base your opinion on these pre-combine numbers anyway. You have no credibility. You base your opinion on numbers that are completely made up.

 

[TheCount]

I love how ridiculous the replies have gotten. Breaking down everyone's reply 1 sentence at a time. This is hillarious!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're neat too Fuzzylump.

Well, if YOU say so, it must be true.

Was he also the one making those huge holes for Julius to run through untou....oh, wait.

Um...not sure if you've noticed, but Phillips has gone "out of his way" to praise damn near every player on the roster. His appraisal seems to come with the job.

Right, because Fasano didn't "get it" his rookie year. He does now.

Hold on, I thought Garrett had a propensity for the 2 TE set? Which is it?

That's nice. I hope they would. I just don't think they'd outplay Schmitt.

I know, and I like that, but "spirit" doesn't open up holes for RB's very often.

I like all three, I just happen to think that the two currently on the roster aren't very good. If Hoyte and Anderson could combine their skills, we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

...and I'm not "pimping" anything. I don't give a damn if you, or anyone else, doesn't like Schmitt. I'm just telling it how I see it.

And if you think a rookie FB is going to take carries away from Marion Barber or a first day tailback selection then i think youre smoking crack. Hes not even the concensus top FB in this draft.

I dont hate Hoyte i think hes a fine player but Im not eating the cheese and think hes going to come in and dominate the NFL from day 1 while curing cancer. That IS pimping him.

I mean now youre trying to say that Jones failing were Hoytes fault for pete's sake.

Phillips did not praise Ayodele, Burnett, and several other players and its one thing for Phillips to say something when asked but when Anderson got hurt he made a point to comment on how he had been coming along. There is a difference.

I still thinkits funny that you people say that the guy who is the lead man in the wedge for KO returns cannot block. I saw him lift LBers off their feet once he stopped thinking of who to block and just did it.

As for Fasano etc. Freddie kitchens couldnt coach. Garrett comes in and all of a sudden Fasano and Wittem are clokcing lights out. Garret went predominantly to the two TE set especially when Anderson went down and with Hoyte dinged up.

But thats the whole point. Fasano came in with the reputation as an excellent blocker as well. He struggled. now you think a lesser prospect will do better. Youre entire argument is based on the fact that he has to perform to the max of his potential to justify picking him high. youre just soooooo sure hes a cant miss prospect.

thats folly on so many levels. feces happens and Schmitt like everyother mid round pick is far froma sure thing.

 

[Rampage]

you know it's the offseason when their's 500+ responses to a thread about a freaking fullback