Owen Schmitt

[tomson75]

that's why Wade raved about his improvement, and reports were that Deon was developing into a nice receiver out of the backfield

ok

That's great news, now he just has to learn how to block!

:

Touche'

QB>FB
RB>FB
TE>FB
all 5 line positions>FB

yeah, I'd say it's bottom of the totem-pole

Just because one position is more important than another in a specific scheme, that doesn't mean it should be drafted that way or in any particular order. If that were the case, every team would take a QB in the first round every year.

with better weapons at TE in Witten and Fasano, I doubt it

It would just add yet another. Nothing wrong with that. Plus, he can block.

Deon Anderson is versatile

If by "versatile" you mean he can kinda catch a little bit and sometimes blocks the right guy, than yeah, he's versatile.

ok, what does abersunk have to do w/ me?

I'm at a loss.

4th round at the earliest

I think he's worth a third, but I don't think we'd take him unless he goes on day two.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's great news, now he just has to learn how to block!

he does know how to block, Wade said that he was improving very nicely in that department

Just because one position is more important than another in a specific scheme, that doesn't mean it should be drafted that way or in any particular order. If that were the case, every team would take a QB in the first round every year.

if you need a QB and a FB, you take the QB 1st, and so on and so forth

FB is not a priority

It would just add yet another. Nothing wrong with that. Plus, he can block.

Hoyte can block too, we don't need 3 FBs who can play special teams

we got the blocker, versatile, special teams FB options filled up already

If by "versatile" you mean he can kinda catch a little bit and sometimes blocks the right guy, than yeah, he's versatile.

all facets of the game that he showed noted improvement in

I'm at a loss.

you're at a loss? you're bringing up comments that abersonc said, why?! lol

I think he's worth a third, but I don't think we'd take him unless he goes on day two.

I don't see us taking him before the 4th round

 

[theogt]

he does know how to block, Wade said that he was improving very nicely in that department

Well, there really was no way to go but up. He was absolutely abysmal early on.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, there really was no way to go but up. He was absolutely abysmal early on.

no ****, Sherlock

I remember when Witten was a terrible blocker his 1st 3 years

 

[skinsscalper]

Schmitt looks like a great player, and he certainly has skills, but considering the actual NEEDS on this team FB is WAAAAY down the list. Schmitt in the 3rd? Not gonna happen. Not on this team. It's not like we were offensively inept and Schmitt is going to catapult us to the top.

Would he look great in a Cowboys uniform? Of course. Would he help? Chances are, yes. Is he worth a 3rd round pick on a team that probably needs atleast 2 quality corners, a minimum of 1 quality WR, and a change of pace RB to split carries with MBIII out of this draft? Come on. Put down the crack pipe. The man love for this (pet) cat has been stretched beyond the realm of reality.

Of course a lot of this depends on what we do in FA. I have a feeling it won't be much. We are going spend a majority of our FA funds re-signing our own guys (rightfully so). We have Hamlin, Flo, Barber, and Canty that should be at the top of our list. That isn't going to leave a whole lot of money to play around with in FA. That, in turn, makes our draft picks vital to our off-season success. I don't see us blowing a 3rd rounder on a guy we don't even need. Want. Yes. Need? Not even close. We managed to score quite a few points and rack up a ton of yards without an Owen Schmitt. Now, if Dallas starts trading down and acquiring picks because their target guy just isn't there and they pick him with a supplemental 3rd then I could see it happening. Other than that, the Schmitt man lovers might want to stock up on the Kleenex come April.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Schmitt looks like a great player, and he certainly has skills, but considering the actual NEEDS on this team FB is WAAAAY down the list. Schmitt in the 3rd? Not gonna happen. Not on this team. It's not like we were offensively inept and Schmitt is going to catapult us to the top.

Would he look great in a Cowboys uniform? Of course. Would he help? Chances are, yes. Is he worth a 3rd round pick on a team that probably needs atleast 2 quality corners, a minimum of 1 quality WR, and a change of pace RB to split carries with MBIII out of this draft? Come on. Put down the crack pipe. The man love for this (pet) cat has been stretched beyond the realm of reality.

Of course a lot of this depends on what we do in FA. I have a feeling it won't be much. We are going spend a majority of our FA funds re-signing our own guys (rightfully so). We have Hamlin, Flo, Barber, and Canty that should be at the top of our list. That isn't going to leave a whole lot of money to play around with in FA. That, in turn, makes our draft picks vital to our off-season success. I don't see us blowing a 3rd rounder on a guy we don't even need. Want. Yes. Need? Not even close. We managed to score quite a few points and rack up a ton of yards without an Owen Schmitt. Now, if Dallas starts trading down and acquiring picks because their target guy just isn't there and they pick him with a supplemental 3rd then I could see it happening. Other than that, the Schmitt man lovers might want to stock up on the Kleenex come April.

you won't convince me that Schmitt will be the best player on the board in the 3rd round, and FB isn't a need

not...gonna...happen

but it is nice to dream about a mean, white guy at FB

 

[theogt]

Just a note. The two people that are not high on Schmitt are summerisfunner and Fuzzy Lumpkins. That should say a lot. Hell, now I'm thinking we might should spend a 1st on him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just a note. The two people that are not high on Schmitt are summerisfunner and Fuzzy Lumpknis. That should say a lot.

way to stretch the truth, I like Schmitt, dont' think he's worth a high draft pick is all

just call me biased against FBs w/ the 1st 4 picks

 

[theogt]

way to stretch the truth, I like Schmitt, dont' think he's worth a high draft pick is all

just call me biased against FBs w/ the 1st 4 picks

It's a terrible idea to rule out anything like that and I can guarantee you not a single GM in the league does. You'd just have to see who's available when you pick and go from there.

Schmitt is a guy that we could use as an H-back as well, increasing his value. Anderson can't do that.

 

[tomson75]

he does know how to block, Wade said that he was improving very nicely in that department

Translation = He really sucked early on, now he's OK.

if you need a QB and a FB, you take the QB 1st, and so on and so forth

Yes, by all means, let's take a QB on day one. You know, someone that won't see the field...at all.

FB is not a priority, it's being phased out

That's a pretty popular sentiment with teams that have crappy FB's. If he were the best player in the draft, and he was a FB...no one should draft him?

Hoyte can block too, we don't need 3 FBs who can play special teams

He can make some blocks, yes, but little else.

Hoyte and Anderson need their walking papers.

we got the blocker, versatile, special teams FB options filled up already

By two guys. I thought you liked saving roster spots?

all facets of the game that he showed noted improvement in

So in three years, he'll be ready to play some football...only the FB position will be phased out by then.

you're at a loss? you're bringing up comments that abersonc said, why?! lol

Yes, I am. I didn't bring it up, Theogt did. I was referring to cstrous.(sp?)

I don't see us taking him before the 4th round

Unfortunately, neither do I.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's a terrible idea to rule out anything like that and I can guarantee you not a single GM in the league does. You'd just have to see who's available when you pick and go from there.

in a class deep w/ CBs, RBs, WRs, and OTs, I have a pretty good idea

 

[theogt]

in a class deep w/ CBs, RBs, WRs, and OTs, I have a pretty good idea

This is a very weak class for OTs, particularly after the first 2-3. Not to mention we just took 2 OTs in the middle rounds last year.

And I fully expect us to take CB, WR, and RB with our first 3 picks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Translation = He really sucked early on, now he's OK.

and can get better, and has the potential to

Yes, by all means, let's take a QB on day one. You know, someone that won't see the field...at all.

that's not it at all

FB ranks last on the list of positional priorities

That's a pretty popular sentiment with teams that have crappy FB's. *hyperbole omitted*

which teams rely on great FB play?

I'll give you the CHargers, now go...

He can make some blocks, yes, but little else.

Hoyte and Anderson need their walking papers.

Hoyte, maybe

By two guys. I thought you liked saving roster spots?

I do, but if both help on special teams, we could use all the help we could get there

you tend to give roster spots to backups who can help on special teams

So in three years, he'll be ready to play some football...only the FB position will be phased out by then.

I think Anderson will be ready next year

Yes, I am. I didn't bring it up, Theogt did. I was referring to cstrous.(sp?)

ok, now you have me lost

Unfortunately, neither do I.

finally

 

[tomson75]

Schmitt looks like a great player, and he certainly has skills, but considering the actual NEEDS on this team FB is WAAAAY down the list. Schmitt in the 3rd? Not gonna happen. Not on this team. It's not like we were offensively inept and Schmitt is going to catapult us to the top.

Would he look great in a Cowboys uniform? Of course. Would he help? Chances are, yes. Is he worth a 3rd round pick on a team that probably needs atleast 2 quality corners, a minimum of 1 quality WR, and a change of pace RB to split carries with MBIII out of this draft? Come on. Put down the crack pipe. The man love for this (pet) cat has been stretched beyond the realm of reality.

Of course a lot of this depends on what we do in FA. I have a feeling it won't be much. We are going spend a majority of our FA funds re-signing our own guys (rightfully so). We have Hamlin, Flo, Barber, and Canty that should be at the top of our list. That isn't going to leave a whole lot of money to play around with in FA. That, in turn, makes our draft picks vital to our off-season success. I don't see us blowing a 3rd rounder on a guy we don't even need. Want. Yes. Need? Not even close. We managed to score quite a few points and rack up a ton of yards without an Owen Schmitt. Now, if Dallas starts trading down and acquiring picks because their target guy just isn't there and they pick him with a supplemental 3rd then I could see it happening. Other than that, the Schmitt man lovers might want to stock up on the Kleenex come April.

I can't really disagree with most of this. Good post.

Only, one thing we weren't able to do very well was run the ball when other teams knew we were going to run the ball. It's incredibly frustrating to watch teams that can. Schmitt, or another top notch FB, would help us there immensely.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is a very weak class for OTs, particularly after the first 2-3. Not to mention we just took 2 OTs in the middle rounds last year.

And I fully expect us to take CB, WR, and RB with our first 3 picks.

I can envision us taking 2 CBs w/ our 1st 4 picks

 

[tomson75]

I can envision us taking 2 CBs w/ our 1st 4 picks

I certainly hope so.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I certainly hope so.

me too

 

[skinsscalper]

I can't really disagree with most of this. Good post.

Only, one thing we weren't able to do very well was run the ball when other teams knew we were going to run the ball. It's incredibly frustrating to watch teams that can. Schmitt, or another top notch FB, would help us there immensely.

I won't disagree with you one bit, there. However, I'm not sure that we need a an Owen Schmitt to improve in that category. Honestly, I think the entire O-line got away from the run blocking fundamentals way too much when we went to a pass first team. Hopefully, Houck can bring us back to our roots a bit and make us more dominant in the run blocking game. I don't think Deon or Hoyte or world beaters at their positions, but I do think that they can be serviceable with a little help up front. With mammoths like Gurode, Bigg, and Flo on the O-line the run blocking should have been light years ahead of where it was. Far too many times the defensive front was in our backfield before Jones or Barber could even get started. There's not a FB in the world that's gonna help you out there. It just means your fullback is making his block about 3 yards closer to the LOS than he should and your back still gets killed.

Schmitt is a great talent. To deny that is silly. But, I think we are capable of getting production out of the running game just fine with Hoyte or Anderson and a more sound fundamental run blocking commitment.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[theogt]

I can envision us taking 2 CBs w/ our 1st 4 picks

I wouldn't mind that either. But if we're talking value, then you're taking a 4th CB, who, absent injuries, won't see the light of day outside of special teams, over a starting FB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I wouldn't mind that either. But if we're talking value, then you're taking a 4th CB, who won't see the light of day outside of special teams absent injuries, over a starting FB.

if teams start to emulate the Pack and Patriots, we're gonna need him, and Henry is always susceptible to injury