Owens/ Worth the money vs Dropped balls

[Funxva]

el dorado has his limits, hes not the be all/end all of receivers. We could get by without him just the same. A safteys gotta follow the deepest man, you put Autsin in there and that saftey has to follow him too. el dorado's not doing anything spectacular or mind blowing. Hes barely doing his job. You see Glann out there catching just about everything thrown his way. Few drops. No noise from him at all. Thats the way el dorado needs to be.

I don't know if Austin could do much with those quick passes to the flat, as TO does so well. Everyone forgets about that part of his game. 7 yards + on first and second down is huge.

 

[Doomsday101]

Owen has done well but it gets old hearing how he is making other players good when the fact is these players like Glenn and Witten were and are quality players in their own right and produced as players before TO ever showed up. TO is part of this team but these other weapons we have are good players with or without TO

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Owen has done well but it gets old hearing how he is making other players good when the fact is these players like Glenn and Witten were and are quality players in their own right and produced as players before TO ever showed up. TO is part of this team but these other weapons we have are good players with or without TO

The intent of my post, was not to try and take away anything from Witten or Glenn or anyone else,, they have been and continue to be great players. My point was simply, TO was brought in to get this team over the hump.. now Romo has done more for that anyone else, but it can not be denied that TO has effected the way teams play D against us. I used the pass to Witten as an example. I know some on here say, that the D was a cover 2 and that is the safety's job and it wouldn't had mattered if it was Key or Hurd or whoever, the results would be the same. I disagree. Yes that is how you draw it up,, but at the same time, players on the field know the threats that each other player brings and they cheat to where they think the danger is,, if that is hurd, I would bet you that Witten gets more attention from the safety in that situation. JMO

 

[gbrittain]

Owen has done well but it gets old hearing how he is making other players good when the fact is these players like Glenn and Witten were and are quality players in their own right and produced as players before TO ever showed up. TO is part of this team but these other weapons we have are good players with or without TO

Yeah, it is not like he is surrounded by chopped liver.

His stats are really good as someone has already pointed out, but his drops are out of control. I am not asking for perfection from an alleged HOF receiver, I am just asking that he do not lead the league in dropped passes.

Is that really being too demanding?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Why is this even an issue?

Just ask yourself one question.

Is this team better with or without Terrell Owens?

Clearly we are a much better football team with him.

I "dislike" the guy immensely, but he brings alot to the table, but at the end of the day, it is more good than bad on the football field.

I have no problem with the contract he got and this is coming from one of the biggest T.O. haters on the block (2nd only to Ms. LTN : ).

Oh...Terry Glenn dropped his fair share of catching, I remember two of them and one bounced off of his hand and ended up being intercepted.

- Mike G.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, it is not like he is surrounded by chopped liver.

His stats are really good as someone has already pointed out, but his drops are out of control. I am not asking for perfection from an alleged HOF receiver, I am just asking that he do not lead the league in dropped passes.

Is that really being too demanding?

Lets just say he is no Michale Irvin

 

[AmishCowboy]

I agree with everything in Mickgreens post.

 

[superpunk]

Why is this even an issue?

It's TO. Why did you have to ask that?

 

[LD Fan]

The only reason we know of TO's drops is because the media keeps shoving it in our face... which 'number one' receiver to we have to compare him against? does the media keep track of Steve Smith's drops, and shove them in our face when he drops a ball?

Excuse me.....I've been watching the NFL for 40 yrs, all of it as a Cowboy fan. I don't need the media to tell me TO has a lot of drops, and most of them seem to come at the worst time (i.e., drive killers, certain TD's).

I didn't want TO here and have been quite negative but have been happy with him since the team started winning. He's been a pretty good team member.

 

[gbrittain]

Lets just say he is no Michale Irvin

No he is not. I would trade 10 TOs that are model citizens for one Michael Irvin.

 

[LD Fan]

Why is this even an issue?

Just ask yourself one question.

Is this team better with or without Terrell Owens?

Clearly we are a much better football team with him.

I "dislike" the guy immensely, but he brings alot to the table, but at the end of the day, it is more good than bad on the football field.

I have no problem with the contract he got and this is coming from one of the biggest T.O. haters on the block (2nd only to Ms. LTN : ).

Oh...Terry Glenn dropped his fair share of catching, I remember two of them and one bounced off of his hand and ended up being intercepted.

- Mike G.

The team is better with him, no doubt. However, I wish we could say more than "it is more good than bad". He's been good, not great.

 

[gbrittain]

Why is this even an issue?

Just ask yourself one question.

Is this team better with or without Terrell Owens?
Clearly we are a much better football team with him.

I "dislike" the guy immensely, but he brings alot to the table, but at the end of the day, it is more good than bad on the football field.

I have no problem with the contract he got and this is coming from one of the biggest T.O. haters on the block (2nd only to Ms. LTN : ).

Oh...Terry Glenn dropped his fair share of catching, I remember two of them and one bounced off of his hand and ended up being intercepted.

- Mike G.

Clearly we are better with TO than without him. That is not the issue IMO. If you have certain solid to great contributor on your team, but has a horrible habit it is not excused under the we are better with him than without him mantra.

I am not asking that he be released or anything drastic, I am not asking him to never drop a pass again. I do think it is not unreasonable to ask that a great WR not lead the league in drops. Be in the middle of that stat, be in the bottom, but for goodness sakes do not lead the league in drops.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Clearly we are better with TO than without him. That is not the issue IMO. If you have certain solid to great contributor on your team, but has a horrible habit it is not excused under the we are better with him than without him mantra.

I am not asking that he be released or anything drastic, I am not asking him to never drop a pass again. I do think it is not unreasonable to ask that a great WR not lead the league in drops. Be in the middle of that stat, be in the bottom, but for goodness sakes do not lead the league in drops.

Well stated.

Just as we all love Witten, we would also ask that he would limit the number of penalties (false start).
It is not the idea to bash a player or just ignore the good they do.

It only makes the player, and in turn the team, be better.

 

[WV Cowboy]

For a while it bothered me that Cowboy fans were picking on Owens and calling him out for drops.

Now I just feel bad that you aren't able to enjoy one of the contributors to this team.

We have many, he is one, try to enjoy this time in Cowboys history, not nitpick and find fault all of the time.

I would like to know how many of his "league leading drops" occured when he had a bone broken in his hand.

I would also like to know how many of his "league leading drops" were balls that weren't even drops at all.

He had one in the Bucs game that was so low that it didn't even touch his hands and they called it a drop. And one was so high that he had to jump way up and twist his body to even touch the ball with his fingers and it is called a drop.

He only had one drop yesterday, the other was too low to be considered a drop.

Owens had a drop, Glenn had a drop that led to an INT, Adams had a penalty at the worst possible time, Romo threw a terrible ball over Owens head that was intercepted, but who cares now ? It's over, we won the game. Now we move on to the Saints.

Why do we always bring up Owens' drops but not talk about these other players making mistakes ?

I hate drops from any receiver, but it happens.

Even still, Owens is 7th in the NFL in receptions, 9th it receiving yards, and 4th in receiving TD's.

He opens our offense for other receivers and the running game, he & Glenn have hit it off, have become friends, and are working well together, and he helps Romo as he grows as well.

Maybe I feel this way because I am the eternal optimist, maybe it's because I always see the glass as half full, ... maybe it is because I coached for 15 yrs and I realize it is all about team and that winning isn't always easy. Maybe I have seen enough to realize no player plays perfect and so I am more tolerant at times. I don't know what it is but I couldn't be happier today.

For me, we had too many good things happen to celebrate instead of dwelling on a few negative plays.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Clearly we are better with TO than without him. That is not the issue IMO. If you have certain solid to great contributor on your team, but has a horrible habit it is not excused under the we are better with him than without him mantra.

I am not asking that he be released or anything drastic, I am not asking him to never drop a pass again. I do think it is not unreasonable to ask that a great WR not lead the league in drops. Be in the middle of that stat, be in the bottom, but for goodness sakes do not lead the league in drops.

1t Terrell Owens Dal 10
1t Troy Williamson Min 10
3 Steve Smith Car 9
4t Reggie Brown Phi 8
4t Darrell Jackson Sea 8
4t Randy Moss Oak 8
4t Reggie Williams Jac 8
8t Andre Johnson Hou 7
8t Reggie Wayne Ind 7
8t Roddy White Atl 7

Those are the league leaders in drops.

Some elite receivers in that group.

 

[sonnyboy]

The drops are bad, costly, but they were expected, too. As they again flashed his drop statistic, making another huge deal out of it yesterday, even my wife shook her head and gave a solid "Good Grief, they HAVE to mention that constantly, don't they?" She's right, they do. It's annoying, but he's invited the attention. People notorious for dropping the ball get that press - just ask the 2004 Seattle Seahawks WR corp.

Those were some dropping MO FO's. But to follow them through the media from afar you'd have thought they never caught one pass.

 

[gbrittain]

Well stated.

Just as we all love Witten, we would also ask that he would limit the number of penalties (false start).
It is not the idea to bash a player or just ignore the good they do.

It only makes the player, and in turn the team, be better.

Exactly!!!

 

[gbrittain]

1t Terrell Owens Dal 10
1t Troy Williamson Min 10
3 Steve Smith Car 9
4t Reggie Brown Phi 8
4t Darrell Jackson Sea 8
4t Randy Moss Oak 8
4t Reggie Williams Jac 8
8t Andre Johnson Hou 7
8t Reggie Wayne Ind 7
8t Roddy White Atl 7

Those are the league leaders in drops.

Some elite receivers in that group.

If you find it acceptable, that is your right to do so. Call me crazy for not wanting my star WR to lead the league in drops. Again I am not bashing him, read BrainPaint's post.

It is definitely something he could stand to improve on. Anyone who says otherwise is being way too kind.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

1t Terrell Owens Dal 10
1t Troy Williamson Min 10
3 Steve Smith Car 9
4t Reggie Brown Phi 8
4t Darrell Jackson Sea 8
4t Randy Moss Oak 8
4t Reggie Williams Jac 8
8t Andre Johnson Hou 7
8t Reggie Wayne Ind 7
8t Roddy White Atl 7

Those are the league leaders in drops.

Some elite receivers in that group.

When you look the list, you see a bunch of guys who probably have more passes thrown their way than other players on their team or in the league, so it is logical that they would have more drops. I bet TO has had more passes thrown his way than any of those other guys. Is there a "percentage of passes caught" statistic? That would be a truer barometer of a wide receiver's productivity than total number of drops. Total drops are only relevent in terms of total passes thrown to a receiver.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If you find it acceptable, that is your right to do so. Call me crazy for not wanting my star WR to lead the league in drops. Again I am not bashing him, read BrainPaint's post.

It is definitely something he could stand to improve on. Anyone who says otherwise is being way too kind.

Nah, I dont find it acceptable.

I just think with just about every player, not only receivers, that you have to accept the great qualities along with their horrible flaws.

With Keyshawn, you took his leadership (yes, leadership), hard work, great route running ability and hands, but you could forgive his biggest flaw, his speed.

Galloway had great speed but had so-so hands and was a straight line route runner.

It is all about give and take give and take. Guy his making a crap load of money and should be making those 2 catches bottomline.

But T.O. has always had a problem with this. He brings playmaking, TDs, and Yaks to the table but he also brings Tude and dropped ballls.

Undoubtedly the opposing Defensive Coordinator looks at our team differently when Terrell Owens is on the field. He takes pressure off of other players, gets into the Endzone and his ratio of Clutch passes/Dropped Passes is also pretty favorable.

With a young QB, there is no better person to help him come along than Terrell Owens.

I think Owens' value has been huge this year and I bet a "certain" Moxican would say the same thing.

And yes, cussed out my TV set when he dropped those passes, but I always saw a guy making huge catches (and some of those balls by Romo were poor) when the game was on the line.


Im afraid Mr. Terrell Owens is quite operational