Packers propose banning Tush Push

[thunderpimp91]

So...You're telling me...that it might be beneficial to track down a few of the top squatters in the world whom can pass PED test...and have them try out?

Short yardage tush push just requires powerful legs and ability to grap a snap or recieve a hand off?

If that is guaranteeing goal line TDs and short distance conversions....why wouldn't the top squatters in the world have a plush NFL job? It would be more go the team than a FG kicker because the person is guaranteeing first down conversions on short distance and guaranteeing td's from goal line

Because 3rd/4th and 1 plays already result in roughly a 70% success rate. QB sneaks of any kind have about a 86% success rate depending on the year. Going from 86% to the 92% success rate the Eagles have right now is not worth wasting roster spots on guys who only do 1 thing well.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Exactly you don't need the band this play you could just call a flag on it every time until teams just don't wanna use it that much they'll say it's just not worth losing 5 yards or whatever they're gonna get because it is a lot of the times lined up wrong or they're doing something illegal in there and if they just call the flag on every play we wouldn't be talking about it anymore it doesn't need to be banned it could just be too much of a headache to use on a regular basis as much as the eagles do anyway..

Or, just dump the two point conversion. Make touchdowns worth seven points. No kicking PATs, which are very boring. The offense can score a one point PAT by lining up at the five, 10, or 15 yard line, their choice, and going for it. (similar to, see WFL “action point”). More exciting than kicking a one point PAT and more exciting than the “tush push”.

 

[FanofJerry]

You think teams haven't tried offensive or defensive linemen here, the way the Bears used The Fridge back in the 80s? And to your continued point about "trick plays", why would the Eagles run a (likely) lower probability play from the formation when they have a 80-90% success rate on the straight ahead play?

So...as I've mentioned..I watched a few youtube videos...with numerous trick plays included...

From the videos I watched it looks like teams aren't stacking the middle of the line. Not one of the videos I watched did it look like a team was trying to put 6 or even 7 guys in the middle to stop the play.

I'm not saying teams havent....I just didn't see it the videos I was skimming through

Either teams don't think they need to match 6 on 6 with Philly up the middle...or they are opting to protect against a trick play, basically conceding the first down unless luck happens to go their way.

I've provided a post already about fake FGs and how wide open the player trying to catch the pass usually is. Fake FG is closest formation to the tush push.

 

[atlantacowboy]

So...You're telling me...that it might be beneficial to track down a few of the top squatters in the world whom can pass PED test...and have them try out?

Short yardage tush push just requires powerful legs and ability to grap a snap or recieve a hand off?

If that is guaranteeing goal line TDs and short distance conversions....why wouldn't the top squatters in the world have a plush NFL job? It would be more go the team than a FG kicker because the person is guaranteeing first down conversions on short distance and guaranteeing td's from goal line

I can't tell if you are confused or just being a clown.

Why do you think it works in Philly more than any other team? They didn't miss a beat without Kelce in the middle this year. The play works more successfully in Philly b/c Jalen Hurts has the strongest pair of legs of any QB in the NFL. Why don't teams just use a top weight lifter? You can't be this dumb....

 

[atlantacowboy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall philly's back up QB in the game and he was also successful with the "tush push".

It is a high % play for all teams. Philly didn't invent the QB sneak. It just works for them at higher % than other teams bc of Hurts. The Bills and Josh Allen also use it with great success. KC doesn't do it all since Mahomes got hurt doing it a few years ago.
The fact is that Jalen Hurts might have the strongest legs in the NFL which accounts for Philly's higher success rate. If the back-up QB ran the play 100 times, he's probably successful on 80 on them. Hurts is successful on 99 on them.

 

[MajesticRey]

Lol! Why would you think that? Nothing changes other than you can't push. The whole playbook is still open. They didn't beat the Chiefs running the tush push.
They beat em with Hurts arm and legs running.
The tush push is a gadget play that lets the Eagles express their dominant offensive line over the DLine. They don't need it.

Did you skip reading the last line of my post?

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

The extra point probably should be removed for the boring factor. Or make it longer

Or give the defense the choice to use a laser pointer, an air horn, or a nude photo of a 95 year old woman, to distract the kicker.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

I think if you showed a tush push compilation to a person with just a basic understanding of American football they would think it looks like cheating.

Cheating?

LOL

It's not against the rules or anything....but I don't like it so it's cheating. Waaannnnhhhh. That's like 6 year old poor loser baby logic

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

The Eagles average more yard per carry on that play than Zeke does.

You can't be serious (right?)

 

[Hadenough]

Did you skip reading the last line of my post?

If the rule goes through. Yeah that's what I read but you also said they would only win 9 games if that rule goes through. Just asking why you think they only win 9 games.

 

[speedkilz88]

Yeah. I wish the Cowboys could figure out a way to do it!!!

There isn't. It's a known rugby scrum.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Link to NFL.com Article
Philly won’t get more than 9 wins a season if this rule goes through.

/sarcasm

loooooooooooooooooooool

 

[Coogiguy03]

Used to be a runner could not be assisted or carried to advance the ball.. what the heck happened when they allowed the tush push.?

a lot of things have changed these days, rules don't apply as much as they used to

 

[sunalsorises]

You can't be serious (right?)

No. I think Zeke averaged just over 3 yards per carry. I would guess the scrum play averages 1.5.

 

[Hardline]

Draft Cam Skateboo and use him as a tush push specialist.

 

[erod]

During a field goal a defensive player is not allowed to use another player as leverage to try to block a FG. How is another player allowed to push a runner. I seen too many 320 LB pound men crashing into a a RB and a player tackling them to get extra yardage. How is that safe

This is the best point against it by Vinnie.

I still don't see how you can outlaw something that only one team is good at. That's like saying teams can't attempt 65 yard field goals because only 1 or 2 kickers can kick that far.

 

[mahoneybill]

Tush push should be banned since it's not a Football play, it's a Rugby play

Eagles have former Rugby O lineman . He probably talked them into it. Also odd that a QB gets credit for a rushing TD when it’s 90% pushed over the line

 

[gimmesix]

I would favor going back to, and enforcing, the old rule which prohibited an offensive player from pushing or pulling his teammate with the ball, forward under any circumstances. Pulling is still technically illegal but it is never called.

There was a time when offensive linemen could only push defenders back and if they were in the process of tackling the ball carrier then it was all legal. But today, offensive players are literally lifting and carrying the guy with the ball over the goal line or line to gain.

That is the direction they could go with it to make it fair for every team. Philly might be the best with the tush push, but other teams definitely shove their backs forward when there's a pileup. The hard thing would be determining when a player is pushing and when he is blocking. I think for a penalty to be called, it would need to be blatant. But then that's putting more judgment on the officials.

 

[gimmesix]

This is the best point against it by Vinnie.

I still don't see how you can outlaw something that only one team is good at. That's like saying teams can't attempt 65 yard field goals because only 1 or 2 kickers can kick that far.

I don't think you outlaw the play. You outlaw other players pushing a player forward. In other words, if Philly wants to run a play where whoever is in the backfield comes up to block on a sneak, that's fine. But if the players get behind the QB and shove him forward, that's not.

I do think there is some risk of injury when players are trying to shove another player through the defense, whether that is on this play or when a running back is trying to drive for extra yards. However, I don't know if there have been very many injuries caused by that.

I just think pulling a player forward is already illegal, so blatantly pushing one forward probably could be too.

 

[Wangchung83]

If other QBs could squat as much as Hurts they would all be doing it. The reason Philly has such a high success rate is due to Hurts lower body strength compared to other QBs in the league.