Pacman faces two felony charges

[Bob Sacamano]

It came out a bit ago. They tested his saliva that he submitted, and there was no match.

And yet they're still pressing forward with it?

that was just for biting someone, there was more that when on than just him biting someone

 

[Bob Sacamano]

They simply had lots of wrongful convictions, to be honest.

and alot of rightful convictions too

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You guys love to call us Pacman Supporters or his defense team, but in fact all we're doing is waiting before we condemn someone. What's wrong with that?

You can have your opinion, we'll have ours.

:laugh2: oh the irony

 

[theogt]

Here's a nice one Mr Cochran. He 'fits the profile'? Of what? A thug who goes to strip clubs where people end up getting shot at? That profile? Yeah he does fit it. And more than once.

I used an extreme position to point out the stupidity of jumping to conclusions. How is that defending him? It's simply saying don't judge until you know the facts.

I have yet to see a 'fact' that comes close to exonerating him. If you have, please enlighten us - and maybe the prosecutor who thinks otherwise.

I guess you're ignoring the DNA evidence part.

As thin as the line between honesty and cowardice?

There's an ocean between honesty and cowardice.

Or maybe the one between 'unbiased' and 'excuse-making'?

There are a few words that you really need to look into. "Excuse" is one of them. I'm being 100% honest with you here. This is not flaming or being adversarial. You're seriously misusing the term.

 

[kmp77]

What was the draft analysis when he was coming out of college? Was he a risk character wise? I can't remember much about him that draft.

 

[Stash]

I used an extreme position to point out the stupidity of jumping to conclusions. How is that defending him? It's simply saying don't judge until you know the facts.

I'll use the fact that the scumbag has a rap sheet as long as my arm. The fact that he's always in trouble. Those are the facts I use for my judgement.

I guess you're ignoring the DNA evidence part.

The 'fact' that came from his defense attorney? Yeah, I'll ignore that 'fact' until I hear it elsewhere. I don't exactly hold anyone who would defend this clown in 'high regard'.

There's an ocean between honesty and cowardice.

If you think so.

There are a few words that you really need to look into. "Excuse" is one of them. I'm being 100% honest with you here. This is not flaming or being adversarial. You're seriously misusing the term.

As badly as some are using benefit of the doubt for a known criminal?

That badly?

This goes a lot deeper than 'misuse of a term'.

I see the cards that are on the table.

 

[sacase]

The absence of evidence? That is exoneration? The absence of DNA evidence does not refute the testimony of eyewitnesses.

Have you ever had any experience in the criminal justice system, or are you basing your opinions of what you have seen on TV? Those show, btw, are full of crap. DNA evidence is not as strong as CSI makes it out to be. Any kind of contamination and the sample is worthless.

In the most recent incident, the guy that reported hearing Pacman threaten to go get his gun was an off duty cop. Besides a DA in Las Vegas that you discredit because you claim he graduated from Dr. Evil law school, what are you going to say to discredit this witness? A cop hear dhim say it, the a while later, his posse comes by and shoots the place up.

I don;t need DNA evidence on this one.

You do realize that eye witness testimoney is extreamly bad, right? Its not something you want to build you case around.

 

[Doomsday101]

You do realize that eye witness testimoney is extreamly bad, right? Its not something you want to build you case around.

They also have video camera recording that caught a lot of what took place at the club.

According to Sports by Brooks, Sporting News Radio today reported that a surveillance video inside the Las Vegas strip club Minxx recorded Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones punching a stripper and biting a bouncer moments before three people were shot at the club.

Although no one is alleging that Jones was the shooter, the owners of the strip club say a friend of Jones did the shooting and that Jones instigated the incident. This is the latest in a long string of off-field incidents that have marred the career of the extremely talented Jones. Titans coach Jeff Fisher has bent over backward for Jones, disciplining him when necessary but also showing him a lot of support. At some point, though, the Titans may decide that Jones is more trouble than he's worth, and the events of this past weekend make that point a lot closer.

 

[Stash]

You do realize that eye witness testimoney is extreamly bad, right? Its not something you want to build you case around.

How is testimony from multiple witnesses 'bad'?

 

[sacase]

How is testimony from multiple witnesses 'bad'?

Mir Aimal Kansi. He shot 7 people outside the CIA headquarters in 1993. There where many eye witnesses who gave discriptions of what he looked like and what kind of car he drove. None of them were accurate. Eye Witnesses suck, plain and simple.

 

[sacase]

They also have video camera recording that caught a lot of what took place at the club.

According to Sports by Brooks, Sporting News Radio today reported that a surveillance video inside the Las Vegas strip club Minxx recorded Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones punching a stripper and biting a bouncer moments before three people were shot at the club.

Although no one is alleging that Jones was the shooter, the owners of the strip club say a friend of Jones did the shooting and that Jones instigated the incident. This is the latest in a long string of off-field incidents that have marred the career of the extremely talented Jones. Titans coach Jeff Fisher has bent over backward for Jones, disciplining him when necessary but also showing him a lot of support. At some point, though, the Titans may decide that Jones is more trouble than he's worth, and the events of this past weekend make that point a lot closer.

Dooms, I am only commenting on the comment about eye witness tesitmony, I am not saying he was innocent or guilty. Just sayin that eye witnesses are notoriously bad.

 

[Stash]

Mir Aimal Kansi. He shot 7 people outside the CIA headquarters in 1993. There where many eye witnesses who gave discriptions of what he looked like and what kind of car he drove. None of them were accurate. Eye Witnesses suck, plain and simple.

Was he standing around throwing money before he started shooting?

I'll take the witnesses' testimony over letting a known criminal 'get away with it'.

 

[dbair1967]

unbelievable...13+ pages of people defending a piece of human garbage



David

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, I am only commenting on the comment about eye witness tesitmony, I am not saying he was innocent or guilty. Just sayin that eye witnesses are notoriously bad.

I agree with you. Eye witness accounts tend to vary from person to person. I once had an attorney tell me you could have 50 people witness a car accident and when you ask them what they saw you tend to get a several different story. No doubt eye witness accounts are part of the evidence and even important evidence but may not stand up alone. I think the tricky part for Pacman is the video tape and how a jury will look at that.

 

[theogt]

unbelievable...13+ pages of people defending a piece of human garbage



David

I don't think there's been a single person defend him in this thread.

 

[Stash]

I don't think there's been a single person defend him in this thread.

Think again.

 

[Stash]

I have a question for the forum:

Whose job is it to raise 'reasonable doubt' with regards to a court case?

 

[theogt]

I'll use the fact that the scumbag has a rap sheet as long as my arm. The fact that he's always in trouble. Those are the facts I use for my judgement.

Again, how am I defending him?

The 'fact' that came from his defense attorney? Yeah, I'll ignore that 'fact' until I hear it elsewhere. I don't exactly hold anyone who would defend this clown in 'high regard'.

Great. As long as you're willing to admit that you're ignoring evidence.

As badly as some are using benefit of the doubt for a known criminal?

That badly?

This goes a lot deeper than 'misuse of a term'.

I see the cards that are on the table.

That's good. But I do hope you look into the word.

 

[theogt]

I have a question for the forum:

Whose job is it to raise 'reasonable doubt' with regards to a court case?

Technically it's the prosecutor's job. A defendant innocent until proven guilty, so the prosecution has to prove that there are no reasonable doubts. In reality, the defense generally has to prove up some sort of believable defense, which in this case looks like it would be DNA evidence.

 

[Vintage]

Technically it's the prosecutor's job. A defendant innocent until proven guilty, so the prosecution has to prove that there are no reasonable doubts. In reality, the defense generally has to prove up some sort of believable defense, which in this case looks like it would be DNA evidence.

All the DNA does is exclude him from the biting incident, which is not what he is being charged with.

There is going to be/has to be, more to the defense than that.