Pacman faces two felony charges

[peplaw06]

It means what it says. A good defense attorney can get even the guilty off. I work at the courts and top defense attorneys will even brag about the this fact of having what seems to be a no win case and yet be able to work a jury enough and create enough doubt to get their client off the hook. If you would like to believe that the justice system is all about finding the truth then great but from what I have seen it is not about getting to the truth it is about raising doubt and other possibilities.

Of course there are times the guilty go free. Of course some defense attorneys are better than the prosecutors.

But if the State doesn't have the evidence to convict someone, they SHOULD go free. There are also some innocent people in prison. There is no perfect system, but it's what we have, and it's probably the best in the world. Gotta better idea? Or do you have an example of a system that is better than ours?

I thought you were going to head into the types of evidence that are inadmissible and the court won't hear to back up your assertion.

 

[peplaw06]

Do you really want to take this thread into that territory?

We'd get moved 'Off Topic' for sure.

It's already "off-topic." But hey, if you want to just take drive-by pot shots without backing them up, I won't stop you there either.

 

[Vintage]

Of course there are times the guilty go free. Of course some defense attorneys are better than the prosecutors.

But if the State doesn't have the evidence to convict someone, they SHOULD go free. There are also some innocent people in prison. There is no perfect system, but it's what he have, and it's probably the best in the world. Gotta better idea? Or do you have an example of a system that is better than ours?

I thought you were going to head into the types of evidence that are inadmissible and the court won't hear to back up your assertion.

What's that saying?

'Tis better to let 100 guilty go free than to let 1 innocent be condemned.

Or something like that. Either way, that's what our CRIMINAL COURT is based on (no, not entirely, but with that philosophy in mind.)

 

[Doomsday101]

Of course there are times the guilty go free. Of course some defense attorneys are better than the prosecutors.

But if the State doesn't have the evidence to convict someone, they SHOULD go free. There are also some innocent people in prison. There is no perfect system, but it's what he have, and it's probably the best in the world. Gotta better idea? Or do you have an example of a system that is better than ours?

I thought you were going to head into the types of evidence that are inadmissible and the court won't hear to back up your assertion.

I'm not saying the system is wrong but it is not all about the truth. I think the US justice system is the best in the world but far from perfect.

 

[theogt]

Of course there are times the guilty go free. Of course some defense attorneys are better than the prosecutors.

But if the State doesn't have the evidence to convict someone, they SHOULD go free. There are also some innocent people in prison. There is no perfect system, but it's what we have, and it's probably the best in the world. Gotta better idea? Or do you have an example of a system that is better than ours?

I thought you were going to head into the types of evidence that are inadmissible and the court won't hear to back up your assertion.

*hums anthem in background*

 

[Stash]

It's already "off-topic." But hey, if you want to just take drive-by pot shots without backing them up, I won't stop you there either.

We can take this anywhere you want it to go.

Get the Mods approval and you'll get both barrels.

:shoot1:

 

[Vintage]

We can take this anywhere you want it to go.

Get the Mods approval and you'll get both barrels.

:shoot1:

Is this a McCordsville like threat?

 

[Stash]

I'm not saying the system is wrong but it is not all about the truth. I think the US justice system is the best in the world but far from perfect.

I would agree with that assessment.

 

[zeromaster]

It's a bad joke when you can be found in contempt (fined or jailed) for not appearing for jury duty, but it is voluntary to vote for officials that make the laws that cases are often judged by.

A court case is about which side can make the most compelling case. The jury is not allowed to form opinions based on experience or even what they may deem common sense. They may only consider whatever "facts" are allowed into evidence. The truth can be somewhat incidental. It may show up, or it may not. Or plea bargaining may enter into it, rendering the jury somewhat of an afterthought.

Explain the usefulness of that. Without A v. B, or "but the alternative..." if possible.

 

[Stash]

Is this a McCordsville like threat?

Hardly.

I'm not 'threatening' anybody.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm anti-violence.

 

[Doomsday101]

Seeing as how this is a criminal court case, I assumed that you could figure out that I was talking about the criminal court.

My bad.

I understand this is a criminal case and I understand that to get a conviction you must show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and I also understand the job of the defense is to try and raise that doubt to the jury regardless if that attorney knows full well that his client is guilty. The burden is on the state. I have also witnessed both the prosecutor and the defense lawyers play their game making comments they know that the judge will have strike from the record but the attorney know you can’t strike the comment from the jurors’ minds

 

[Doomsday101]

Having said all of this the NFL is not a criminal court and they don't have to meet the same standard of a criminal court of law to hand down punishment to the member of the league. Just as a civil court does not need to meet the high standard.

 

[peplaw06]

It's a bad joke when you can be found in contempt (fined or jailed) for not appearing for jury duty, but it is voluntary to vote for officials that make the laws that cases are often judged by.

A court case is about which side can make the most compelling case. The jury is not allowed to form opinions based on experience or even what they may deem common sense. They may only consider whatever "facts" are allowed into evidence. The truth can be somewhat incidental. It may show up, or it may not. Or plea bargaining may enter into it, rendering the jury somewhat of an afterthought.

Explain the usefulness of that. Without A v. B, or "but the alternative..." if possible.

Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. Jurors MUST use their common sense in weighing the evidence. They weigh the credibility of evidence and witnesses. How do you think they do that? if they just accepted every piece of evidence or testimony as true, why would you even need a jury? They go off their life experiences and common sense in telling if witnesses are lying or if evidence seems fishy. If a witness gets up there and is clearly lying, they don't have to accept that as true.

And plea bargaining is something that BOTH SIDES have to agree to to get done. There's not much to complain about there.

 

[peplaw06]

I would agree with that assessment.

So it's the best in the world, but it's a "joke?" Gotcha.

 

[Stash]

So it's the best in the world, but it's a "joke?" Gotcha.

Yep.

As they say, it's better than nuthin'.

At least we're not choppin' hands off.

But at the same time this nation is crying for legal reform.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

At least peplaw is young enough to not yet be jaded by the whole process.

That's a good thing.

BTW, peplaw, how did you wind up in Wichita Falls?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not that it matters in the actual case itself but just as an FYI, ESPN ran a poll asking if PacMan would ever play another down of football in the NFL, based on his current legal issues. Just over 72% voted no. All 50 states showed a majority of voters believed he would never play another game in the NFL. In the court of popular opinion, he has been tried and hung. Jeff Fisher basically said the Titans were done with him regardless.

 

[peplaw06]

Yep.

As they say, it's better than nuthin'.

At least we're not choppin' hands off.

But at the same time this nation is crying for legal reform.

Well fix it... any proposals?

 

[peplaw06]

At least peplaw is young enough to not yet be jaded by the whole process.

That's a good thing.

I'm not saying it's perfect, but I happen to believe in it, yes.

BTW, peplaw, how did you wind up in Wichita Falls?

I grew up about 50 miles west of here. Went to LA for law school, but always intended on moving back to Texas (DFW or this area). I thought I had a job lined up in the metroplex, in a DA's office no less, but the DA lost the election right after I was licensed. But it all worked out for the best... the job I have now is much better, more opportunity for advancement, etc.

 

[Vintage]

Well fix it... any proposals?

Actually, I do have one.

See: Iran.