Pacman news and mention of estimating compensation for him..

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Champsheart;1990618 said:
I have no problem giving a 5th, 6th or 7th for Pac Man if that is needed,

But if Jerry does this the contract better be very small, no gambling with the CAP. If he screws up the contract better allow us to lose nothing. That is all I care about. Do not gamble with this one Jerry, if we have no risk, then fine.

OTOH-to say that I *don't want him completely*, I would be lying...all those 3rd down completions given up by our secondary still gives me nightmares from the last few seasons. IF he stopped at least a few of those, I always wonder if we would be owning a Lombardi for the other thumb by now.
 

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Alexander;1990931 said:
See, I doubt that.

Atlanta is as bad as Dallas. Vegas is worse. Jones has frequented both cities often. So it really doesn't matter.

In fact, he's probably seen better red light districts, but apparently you fear he will be overwhelmed with temptation in Dallas? Must be that "things are bigger and better in Texas" mentality.

What I would ask Michael Irvin is how do you deal with the city of Dallas in terms of how it behaves with its athletes? He too was the victim of several trumped up charges from money grubbing losers and targeted by profiling police who notice what Cowboys do because they are such celebrities there.

It is not the square footage of real estate devoted to strip clubs that I would worry about with Jones. It has to do with the fact that Dallas Cowboys have a bullseye painted on them from day one in that city.

Nice place you have there.

You are so off base, I refuse to have this conversation with you. But, I'd like to move near that cornfield you live in, it sounds like ignorance really is bliss.
 

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Ok here is my issue with this whole "Trade for him and give him an incentive ladden deal"...do you really think that Pacman is just going to sign an incentive laden deal from us after a trade?

I mean if we trade for him we don't trade for a voided contract we trade for him with his current contract. Then you've got to get him to be willing to renegoiate the deal. Why would he do that?

Or am I missing something? Cause I could have swore if you trade for a guy you trade for his current contract as well.
 

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Whatever 2nd day draft pick it ends up being, it MUST be conditional.

This will benefit both teams in the event it works out or not.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1991206 said:
Ok here is my issue with this whole "Trade for him and give him an incentive ladden deal"...do you really think that Pacman is just going to sign an incentive laden deal from us after a trade?

I mean if we trade for him we don't trade for a voided contract we trade for him with his current contract. Then you've got to get him to be willing to renegoiate the deal. Why would he do that?

Or am I missing something? Cause I could have swore if you trade for a guy you trade for his current contract as well.

You're correct. Dallas would have to assume his current contract. However, he's still signed to his rookie deal which I suspect wouldn't be too cap restrictive. At least Dallas doesn't have to be responsible for a signing bonus if they trade for him rather than wait for him to be cut.

Here is some info on his current contract per Rotoworld (link provided) http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=3127:

"8/19/2005: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract. The deal contains $15.1 million in guarantees, including Jones' 2008 base salary. 2008: $1.7425 million, 2009: $2.192 million, 2010: Free Agent"

Not too bad on the cap.
 

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Alexander;1990881 said:
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Oh good heavens.

We've never had cads and scalliwags on this team.

Never.

Ever.

Just because they've been here before doesn't mean everyone has to be real happy, and clap their hands, over the idea of adding another.

Just because you like to take the "I'll take the plays and ignore the rest" approach, which is fine if that works for you, doesn't mean everyone else has to or should have to.
 

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And finally I see that Alexander, and others, are all about this cause of the change he'll make on the field. That's a good way to look at it...If he was actually going to be on the field. I just don't have any faith in him to stay out of trouble so I have zero faith he'll actually see the field. So all those 'rewards' people are looking for in him would go out the window.

If he keeps his nose clean, this deal happens, and he produces and stays out of trouble then in a couple years I would probably feel differently about it but at this point I have no reason to believe he'd actually stay out of trouble.
 

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slick325;1991212 said:
You're correct. Dallas would have to assume his current contract. However, he's still signed to his rookie deal which I suspect wouldn't be too cap restrictive. At least Dallas doesn't have to be responsible for a signing bonus if they trade for him rather than wait for him to be cut.

Here is some info on his current contract per Rotoworld (link provided) http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=3127:

"8/19/2005: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract. The deal contains $15.1 million in guarantees, including Jones' 2008 base salary. 2008: $1.7425 million, 2009: $2.192 million, 2010: Free Agent"

Not too bad on the cap.

So basically the final two years of his deal at 1.7425 this year and 2.192 next year? That is better than I thought it would be, cap wise. Thank you.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1991219 said:
So basically the final two years of his deal at 1.7425 this year and 2.192 next year? That is better than I thought it would be, cap wise. Thank you.

No problem. Looking at his contract and how it is structured, I am even more of an advocate of getting a CB in round 1. The deals are much more cap friendly than having to sign a free agent CB like Samuel this offseason or Clements last season.
 

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IMO if this trade does take place i don't think that Adam Jones will be playing nickel i think Henry will:D
 

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chinch;1990905 said:
beggars can't be choosy.

he'd outplay any first day pick next year we'd have and likely the next. outplay every second day pick forever.

since we're seriously deficient in the CB position i'll gladly give up a pick and let Calvin Hill do his thing with the thugs.
I can not believe Jerry and some of the fans are sitting around waiting on a thug like pacman. all the free agent corners are now gone. and Jerry is waiting on Adam Thug Jones. are you freaking kidding me?HELL NO TO PACMAN JONES!
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1991012 said:
Just wait until they release the guy, why give up draft picks when you more than likely won't have to!

..you will see ridiculous numbers being offered because at that point, it will be close to the season and teams will up the ante to get him if they have had injuries or want to cut a high cap player and sign him instead.

You are much smarter to try to do a deal now where you trade for him, control where he is going and try to redo his contract to benefit all parties based on the risk involved.I think Dallas has the inside track on doing this because they have Calvin Hilll and a history of dealing fairly and evenly with problem players in the past.

Maybe what PacMan needs most is to have some teamamtes around him that have something they are all playing together for. This team has worked hard to establish a family atmosphere now that Phillips has taken over.

PacMan might tremendously benefit from this team and this team from him. If he makes this work, Dallas will reward him fiancially, that's a given. If he has problems, well then the team has done it's best.

The only issue that gives me pause about bringing him in is the issue of the commish threatening to punish the teams with players using 'thug' behavior. I just think that is absurd. Teams can't control that.

And not being able to control it, shouldn't be held liable for that. I think the commish is being too evangelical and too godly in that approach and if he penalized the Cowboys for something Pacman might do..

..I think we'd be in for one heck of a court battle with the Cowboys vs. the NFL and the NFLPA over that.

All we are doing is trying to help the player make a living and helping the team play better on the field. There is no sinister motives on the Cowboy's part to further 'thuggery'.

I'm for bringing him in and also drafting a CB in the draft as well as a safety. We need to replace Reeves at CB and also Davis at safety and we also need to keep an eye on the need next year of possibly replacing Roy Williams.

I worry more about what Roy Williams has cost this team and will continue to cost this team with his on-field behavior than I could about PacMan's off-the-field behavior.

At least when Pacman shows up on Sunday, he's a player.


When Roy Williams shows up, he's often a liability and using illegal horse collars to make up for his lack of playmaking or being in position to make a clean play..

Now which hurts the team more..?

RW being over paid for his value and lack of game or signing Pacman and giving him a chance to improve the team and making the defense a little tougher and a little more feared..?

I choose Pacman at this point.

Just my 2 cents.

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Redball Express;1991333 said:
..you will see ridiculous numbers being offered because at that point, it will be close to the season and teams will up the ante to get him if they have had injuries or want to cut a high cap player and sign him instead.

You are much smarter to try to do a deal now where you trade for him, control where he is going and try to redo his contract to benefit all parties based on the risk involved.I think Dallas has the inside track on doing this because they have Calvin Hilll and a history of dealing fairly and evenly with problem players in the past.

Maybe what PacMan needs most is to have some teamamtes around him that have something they are all playing together for. This team has worked hard to establish a family atmosphere now that Phillips has taken over.

PacMan might tremendously benefit from this team and this team from him. If he makes this work, Dallas will reward him fiancially, that's a given. If he has problems, well then the team has done it's best.

The only issue that gives me pause about bringing him in is the issue of the commish threatening to punish the teams with players using 'thug' behavior. I just think that is absurd. Teams can't control that.

And not being able to control it, shouldn't be held liable for that. I think the commish is being too evangelical and too godly in that approach and if he penalized the Cowboys for something Pacman might do..

..I think we'd be in for one heck of a court battle with the Cowboys vs. the NFL and the NFLPA over that.

All we are doing is trying to help the player make a living and helping the team play better on the field. There is no sinister motives on the Cowboy's part to further 'thuggery'.

I'm for bringing him in and also drafting a CB in the draft as well as a safety. We need to replace Reeves at CB and also Davis at safety and we also need to keep an eye on the need next year of possibly replacing Roy Williams.

I worry more about what Roy Williams has cost this team and will continue to cost this team with his on-field behavior than I could about PacMan's off-the-field behavior.

At least when Pacman shows up on Sunday, he's a player.

When Roy Williams shows up, he's often a liability and using illegal horse collars to make up for his lack of playmaking or being in position to make a clean play..

Now which hurts the team more..?

RW being over paid for his value and lack of game or signing Pacman and giving him a chance to improve the team and making the defense a little tougher and a little more feared..?

I choose Pacman at this point.

Just my 2 cents.

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well said ReDBall i feel the same way. the awards are greater to take a chance. IMO
 

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Redball Express;1991333[B said:
You are much smarter to try to do a deal now where you trade for him, control where he is going and try to redo his contract to benefit all parties based on the risk involved.
I guess you could, but I don't think that would be necessary. Just assume his rookie contract which pays him a very cap friendly $1.75 million this year, I believe, and since the signing bonus is on the Titans' books, if we have to cut Pacman, we won't take a cap hit. All we'll be out is that $1.75 million.

As for the draft pick, if the deal happens before the draft, a pick will have to be negotiated, and hopefully it won't be anything higher than a 5th, but if if happens after, we simply give the Titans a conditional 2009 pick and assume Pacman's contract. Deal done, and with very little risk to the Cowboys.
 

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JERRY GET PAC MAN JONES!!!...This move will be huge and help us ou more then a RB and WR.

We need help in the secondary more then anywhere else.

Pac man wants to be a Cowboy and so do I..GET'R DONE!!:bow:
 

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Boysboy;1991062 said:
Jay Glazer said there was going to be some kind of surprise blockbuster trade on Tues.

With all the talk about Philly going after a premier wideout, I'm now beginning to wonder if Pacman to Dallas is what he's talking about.

I think if the door is open and the parties can agree to a deal and the player wants to come here, redo the contract to protect the team and reward the player for success under any new contract and is willing to prove himself..it's a done deal.

I think Dallas would go as high as a 4th rd. draft pick this year or maybe even trade a roster player we think is expendable like Carp or Ayodele.

Or better yet, give the Titan's a conditional draft pick in the 2009 draft based on Pacman meeting certain behavioral and on the field incentive goals. By that, I mean the Titans will get anywhere from a 4th rd to a 2nd rd. pick from us based on Pacman's overall performance in 2008.

And if Pacman steps on the field for us, chances are, he starts at CB and replaces Henry and Henry moves to the slot. That's my belief.

That's the ultimate motive for making any deal for him..not just to bring him here as a #3 CB.

But let's assume though, he does start out as a # 3 CB for us. That awards a 4th rd. pick in 2009. But let's say he does that and he ends up being our primary punt return man and in doing so, he leads the conference in punt returns or finishes in the top 3 players in that catagory.

Then the Titans get a 3rd rd. draft pick in 2009.

Then let's say he ends up taking over at the rt. CB spot from Henry as I suggest before the season ends either by earning it or by another injury to Henry forcing it.

Then the Titans get a 2nd rd. pick for him, because what has happened is, he's become a player with a value equal to what his true value is less his baggage, a #1 pick value being that he's starting and probably returning punts for us, too.

But we won't have to pay that for him..at the most, we pay only a #2 to have acquired him because we bore the risk in taking him.

And Pacman would love this because he could have put in his contract all these incentives for 2008 as reached, too, and be paid more based on reaching them..

..and in 2009, he would be paid what a player of that stature is worth from that point on or he could opt out of his contract or we could have the option of meeting any contract he came up with if the parties wanted to just start over with each other on level ground and let the market establish hs value.

Lot's of protection for everybody and incentives galore that are reasonable.

What this does is spread the risk with the Titans that if he doesn't pan out, we don't lose too much. And if he pans out at certain levels of increasing worth, the Titans are rewarded for his success with us and they recoup some needed value from their investment in Pacman to this point.

Make sense..?

Does to me.

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CATCH17;1990609 said:
I just don't understand why we have to be the idiots to give this guy a chance.

Most guys have correctible problems.

I just dont see this guy sitting at home during the offseason on a friday night playing scrabble.

He is going to get in trouble again. Its a certainty.


...he may now that he installed a stripper pole in his living room!!!!!!!!!!

AS RON BURGUNDY WOULD SAY......"STAY CLASSY!"

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Lots and lots of arguing for nothing, IMO. Just like Moss coming to Dallas, this Pacman thing coming to Dallas is most likely not going to happen.

If Pacman gets reinstated, why would the Titans let "such a talent" go for nothing, or a 5th, 6th, 4th, whatever? They need him just as much as any other team needs him.

If he gets reinstated, he goes back to the Titans and life goes on. Just because he mentions that he wants to play for Dallas does not make it so...

Counting chickens before they hatch and putting the cart before the horse!!

:cool:

Pacman is not coming to the Cowboys...sorry citizens.
 

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Romo2Owens4six;1991305 said:
IMO if this trade does take place i don't think that Adam Jones will be playing nickel i think Henry will:D

The only reason I don't agree with that is because Adam Jones hasn't played football in over a year. He may be a little rusty but once that rust comes off he would be starting over Henry IMO. (Assuming he were a Cowboy)
 

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5Stars;1991377 said:
Lots and lots of arguing for nothing, IMO. Just like Moss coming to Dallas, this Pacman thing coming to Dallas is most likely not going to happen.

If Pacman gets reinstated, why would the Titans let "such a talent" go for nothing, or a 5th, 6th, 4th, whatever? They need him just as much as any other team needs him.

If he gets reinstated, he goes back to the Titans and life goes on. Just because he mentions that he wants to play for Dallas does not make it so...

Counting chickens before they hatch and putting the cart before the horse!!

:cool:

Pacman is not coming to the Cowboys...sorry citizens.

How can you be so sure?
 
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